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2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
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dontyelldad
old n slo
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Further support for the "Snack Bar's Closed -- DIII Edition" thread???
(And this family's still doing club hockey, so no chance to head north for the festivities!)
Further support for the "Snack Bar's Closed -- DIII Edition" thread???
(And this family's still doing club hockey, so no chance to head north for the festivities!)
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Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
My reading of the schedule says this is a tournament, where the two winners of day one play, and the two losers play.
This sets up a possible second day matchup of Elmira/Plattsburgh and Middlebury/Amherst. Two intraconference matchups that don't count in the conference standings.
wouldn't we all be better served if the second day was simply Amherst/Elmira and Middlebury/Plattsburgh? Wouldn't that be more compelling than watching these teams play their own conference opponent? Does anyone care who "wins" the trophy?
My reading of the schedule says this is a tournament, where the two winners of day one play, and the two losers play.
This sets up a possible second day matchup of Elmira/Plattsburgh and Middlebury/Amherst. Two intraconference matchups that don't count in the conference standings.
wouldn't we all be better served if the second day was simply Amherst/Elmira and Middlebury/Plattsburgh? Wouldn't that be more compelling than watching these teams play their own conference opponent? Does anyone care who "wins" the trophy?
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
While "winning" this tournament will certainly be a nice resume booster with two wins against quality teams like the winner will play, i think the most important thing each of the four teams will find out is where they match-up against the teams they will be competiting with for the Pool C slots and the National title.
I'd put Plattsburgh or Amherst as the early favorite but I guarantee you each of the four coaches would probably say a different team if asked who they think is going to win the tournament.
Keep in mind this tournament could produce four ties too and we will still have a team that finishes "first" and fourth"...
should be a great four games for anyone who gets to go to the tournament. Middlebury is a top notch facility and a great host for an event like this. I'm excited to be able to watch/listen to the games. My only gripe is the games are on Sunday/Monday...whats the deal with that?!
While "winning" this tournament will certainly be a nice resume booster with two wins against quality teams like the winner will play, i think the most important thing each of the four teams will find out is where they match-up against the teams they will be competiting with for the Pool C slots and the National title.
I'd put Plattsburgh or Amherst as the early favorite but I guarantee you each of the four coaches would probably say a different team if asked who they think is going to win the tournament.
Keep in mind this tournament could produce four ties too and we will still have a team that finishes "first" and fourth"...
should be a great four games for anyone who gets to go to the tournament. Middlebury is a top notch facility and a great host for an event like this. I'm excited to be able to watch/listen to the games. My only gripe is the games are on Sunday/Monday...whats the deal with that?!
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
I actually know the answer to that one. the Middlebury Men's team also hosts a New Years Weekend tournament, and when the women's event was moved from November to January, there was a conflict with Friday and Saturday.
I actually know the answer to that one. the Middlebury Men's team also hosts a New Years Weekend tournament, and when the women's event was moved from November to January, there was a conflict with Friday and Saturday.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Ahh...that's unfortunate that the women get shafted with tough dates for parents and fans to try and make it to the games.
Makes Brian going to these games and covering them all the more valuable and TOTALLY AWESOME!
Ahh...that's unfortunate that the women get shafted with tough dates for parents and fans to try and make it to the games.
Makes Brian going to these games and covering them all the more valuable and TOTALLY AWESOME!
creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Nope.
Me.
Marriott, ?, ?
Plattsburgh will take home the trophy.
Nope.
Me.
Marriott, ?, ?
Plattsburgh will take home the trophy.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Not Amherst because Krystyn isn't there anymore?
Not Amherst because Krystyn isn't there anymore?
creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Mmmm, not because Elek isn't playing anymore, but rather because I think goaltending is their Achilles heel. That being said however, the Amherst defensemen are phenomenal and they present multiple threats. They are fast, hard to beat, and can shoot very well from the point. Opponents will have to be respectful of that and be able to get shots off fast or the Amherst D will take the puck away. If you can get past the defensemen they are beatable. My allegiance will always be with the Lord Jeffs and of course I hope they do win it, but like I've mentioned before, I call it the way I see it, even through my purple lenses.
Not Amherst because Krystyn isn't there anymore?
Mmmm, not because Elek isn't playing anymore, but rather because I think goaltending is their Achilles heel. That being said however, the Amherst defensemen are phenomenal and they present multiple threats. They are fast, hard to beat, and can shoot very well from the point. Opponents will have to be respectful of that and be able to get shots off fast or the Amherst D will take the puck away. If you can get past the defensemen they are beatable. My allegiance will always be with the Lord Jeffs and of course I hope they do win it, but like I've mentioned before, I call it the way I see it, even through my purple lenses.
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Who would not miss Krystyn? I think her intensity and competitive spirit put her in a class with Kogut as the top NESCAC goalie of all time (all due respect to Bowdoin's Emily McKissock). That said Amherst was able to be outplayed by RIT and come back to tie them a week ago and then soundly beat them last Saturday, so they have shown themselves to be pretty good at the ECAC-West crash and bash style. I have not seen Plattsburgh yet this season and I am sure Coach Houle will have them ready to go out and prove that last season's 4-1 loss at Amherst was, well, last year's news. It should be a great game.
I have not watched Elmira to date, and only saw Midd beat Bowdoin 4-3 up at Watson. Midd looked young in letting the Polar Bears back into the game after leading 2-0, but they are really fast and, as Midd teams always do, pass the puck exceptionally well. Their D is improved and amazingly their weakness seems not getting consistent goal play. They will be interesting to watch on Kenyon's big ice (and how about the season McNally is putting up?). Does Elmira have the speed on D to cope with Midd's quickness and the big ice?
Anyway...Ms. Obserbear has consented to attend and we will be at the Middlebury Inn. I am sure the Marriott is very nice, but the Inn actually has that New England inn, old time thing going. I am fond of The Storm Cafe (not to mention Kenyon's famous chili and actually edible hot dogs) and really have sort of gotten over my party thing (so 60s, 70s 80s and 90s).
Hope to meet you all at Kenyon!
Not Amherst because Krystyn isn't there anymore?
Who would not miss Krystyn? I think her intensity and competitive spirit put her in a class with Kogut as the top NESCAC goalie of all time (all due respect to Bowdoin's Emily McKissock). That said Amherst was able to be outplayed by RIT and come back to tie them a week ago and then soundly beat them last Saturday, so they have shown themselves to be pretty good at the ECAC-West crash and bash style. I have not seen Plattsburgh yet this season and I am sure Coach Houle will have them ready to go out and prove that last season's 4-1 loss at Amherst was, well, last year's news. It should be a great game.
I have not watched Elmira to date, and only saw Midd beat Bowdoin 4-3 up at Watson. Midd looked young in letting the Polar Bears back into the game after leading 2-0, but they are really fast and, as Midd teams always do, pass the puck exceptionally well. Their D is improved and amazingly their weakness seems not getting consistent goal play. They will be interesting to watch on Kenyon's big ice (and how about the season McNally is putting up?). Does Elmira have the speed on D to cope with Midd's quickness and the big ice?
Anyway...Ms. Obserbear has consented to attend and we will be at the Middlebury Inn. I am sure the Marriott is very nice, but the Inn actually has that New England inn, old time thing going. I am fond of The Storm Cafe (not to mention Kenyon's famous chili and actually edible hot dogs) and really have sort of gotten over my party thing (so 60s, 70s 80s and 90s).
Hope to meet you all at Kenyon!
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
I project the winner of Amherst/Plattsburgh will win the weekend, but as for goaltending I think Midd has the edge.
I project the winner of Amherst/Plattsburgh will win the weekend, but as for goaltending I think Midd has the edge.
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Agreed. Here is my prognostication for the weekend:
1. Elmira vs Middlebury-Last year Elmira dominated Midd in two games and lost both. This matchup is the classic ECAC-West vs NESCAC, basically size versus speed. I haven't seen anyone at EC filling the shoes of Coady, Huntley, or Cubberly, so on paper this looks like a good bet for a Panther victory. Call it 3-1 Middlebury.
2. Amherst vs Plattsburgh-Amherst's victory in the NCAA quarters wasn't so surprising, but the ease with which they dispatched the Cardinals was truly shocking. As good as Amherst's players have been, I think their biggest weapon is Coach Plumer. He figures out ways to beat you, and based on last season, he has obviously figured out how to beat Plattsburgh. On the other side of the coin, Plattsburgh seems to have survived the graduation of a monster class, and is ready to pick up where they left off. One of these teams is going to need a great game in net to survive, and right now the best bet for that would be HU and the Lord Jeffs. Call it 3-2 Amherst.
3. Elmira vs Plattsburgh-based on my prognostication this will be the third place game. Whether its for third or first, what a great opportunity for the Midd and Amherst faithful to be able to watch these two slug it out. I'm leaning towards the Cardinals in this one. Call it 4-2 Platty.
4. Amherst vs Middlebury-Amherst won three of their four matchups last year, and clearly has developed the ability to forecheck the Panthers into coughing up the puck. However, looking at the last two games played (NESCAC championship and FF semi) each team scored a total of 6 goals, but more importantly, all 6 Jeff goals in those two games came on the power play. If Midd can stay out of the penalty box, their goaltending will keep them in it. But, if push comes to shove, I'll call it 2-1 Amherst.
If I am right, EC goes home with two losses and is basically finished in the pool C derby. Sorry Prez.
Agreed. Here is my prognostication for the weekend:
1. Elmira vs Middlebury-Last year Elmira dominated Midd in two games and lost both. This matchup is the classic ECAC-West vs NESCAC, basically size versus speed. I haven't seen anyone at EC filling the shoes of Coady, Huntley, or Cubberly, so on paper this looks like a good bet for a Panther victory. Call it 3-1 Middlebury.
2. Amherst vs Plattsburgh-Amherst's victory in the NCAA quarters wasn't so surprising, but the ease with which they dispatched the Cardinals was truly shocking. As good as Amherst's players have been, I think their biggest weapon is Coach Plumer. He figures out ways to beat you, and based on last season, he has obviously figured out how to beat Plattsburgh. On the other side of the coin, Plattsburgh seems to have survived the graduation of a monster class, and is ready to pick up where they left off. One of these teams is going to need a great game in net to survive, and right now the best bet for that would be HU and the Lord Jeffs. Call it 3-2 Amherst.
3. Elmira vs Plattsburgh-based on my prognostication this will be the third place game. Whether its for third or first, what a great opportunity for the Midd and Amherst faithful to be able to watch these two slug it out. I'm leaning towards the Cardinals in this one. Call it 4-2 Platty.
4. Amherst vs Middlebury-Amherst won three of their four matchups last year, and clearly has developed the ability to forecheck the Panthers into coughing up the puck. However, looking at the last two games played (NESCAC championship and FF semi) each team scored a total of 6 goals, but more importantly, all 6 Jeff goals in those two games came on the power play. If Midd can stay out of the penalty box, their goaltending will keep them in it. But, if push comes to shove, I'll call it 2-1 Amherst.
If I am right, EC goes home with two losses and is basically finished in the pool C derby. Sorry Prez.
5 4 Fighting
New member
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
I wouldn't throw Elmira under the bus just yet.
EC's rookie goaltender Lauren Sullivan, leads the conference in both goals against and save percentage.
EC has 5 players listed in the top 16 point scorers in their conference tied only with "Blowout RIT"
EC holds the # 1 position in the conference with defenseman scoring.
EC has 2 frosh in the top 5 in freshman scoring in the conference. Again "Blowout RIT" dominates in this category.
and... EC is # 1 in the conference with a 90.6 penalty kill ratio.
Just sayin....
I wouldn't throw Elmira under the bus just yet.
EC's rookie goaltender Lauren Sullivan, leads the conference in both goals against and save percentage.
EC has 5 players listed in the top 16 point scorers in their conference tied only with "Blowout RIT"
EC holds the # 1 position in the conference with defenseman scoring.
EC has 2 frosh in the top 5 in freshman scoring in the conference. Again "Blowout RIT" dominates in this category.
and... EC is # 1 in the conference with a 90.6 penalty kill ratio.
Just sayin....
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
I didn't think I threw EC under the bus, I simply pointed out that someone will leave this tourney with two losses, and if EC is the one that loses twice, their pool C chances will be seriously diminished.
I also think its way too early in the season to draw conclusions based on statistics, especially for goalies. Sullivan had a good outing against Manhattanville (and one average outing), and one good outing against Utica, but did not face Platty. She had games against Buff State, Hamilton, and Chatham that would help anyone's stats.
I didn't think I threw EC under the bus, I simply pointed out that someone will leave this tourney with two losses, and if EC is the one that loses twice, their pool C chances will be seriously diminished.
I also think its way too early in the season to draw conclusions based on statistics, especially for goalies. Sullivan had a good outing against Manhattanville (and one average outing), and one good outing against Utica, but did not face Platty. She had games against Buff State, Hamilton, and Chatham that would help anyone's stats.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
Unfortunately the two biggest stats on the year for Elmira are this:
vs Plattsburgh (L 4-3 (OT), L 3-2)
vs Manhattanville (L 3-2)
Now things can obviously change if Elmira takes a game or two at the Classic but if they get swept I agree with Spike, it's ECAC West title or bust or the Soaring Eagles will be missing the NCAA's for only the second time in their nine year program history.
Unfortunately the two biggest stats on the year for Elmira are this:
vs Plattsburgh (L 4-3 (OT), L 3-2)
vs Manhattanville (L 3-2)
Now things can obviously change if Elmira takes a game or two at the Classic but if they get swept I agree with Spike, it's ECAC West title or bust or the Soaring Eagles will be missing the NCAA's for only the second time in their nine year program history.
5 4 Fighting
New member
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
I know...just wearng my heart on my sleeve I guess.
They don't call me "5 4 Turteling."
I know...just wearng my heart on my sleeve I guess.
They don't call me "5 4 Turteling."
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SeymoreHockey
New member
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
This is a great venue to show these teams what they need to work on for the rest of the season. That's about it. Platty has won quite a few of these, and it doesn't really make too much of a difference (remember last year?)
Should be some great hockey though...
I dont care what Plattsburgh does, just as long as they beat the Soaring Sparrows...yet again!
This is a great venue to show these teams what they need to work on for the rest of the season. That's about it. Platty has won quite a few of these, and it doesn't really make too much of a difference (remember last year?)
Should be some great hockey though...
I dont care what Plattsburgh does, just as long as they beat the Soaring Sparrows...yet again!
5 4 Fighting
New member
Re: 2010 Panther Cardinal Classic
one or two losses for Platty, Amherst, or Midd will be offset by strength of schedule, and the fact that they are all currently undefeated. EC, on the other hand, could be looking at their 4th and 5th loss of the year. That will matter.
This is a great venue to show these teams what they need to work on for the rest of the season. That's about it. Platty has won quite a few of these, and it doesn't really make too much of a difference (remember last year?)
Should be some great hockey though...
I dont care what Plattsburgh does, just as long as they beat the Soaring Sparrows...yet again!
one or two losses for Platty, Amherst, or Midd will be offset by strength of schedule, and the fact that they are all currently undefeated. EC, on the other hand, could be looking at their 4th and 5th loss of the year. That will matter.