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2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
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leswp1
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Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
groan!
I got mine, filled it out. The genealogist in me is glad I won't be waiting to mine info off of these. No good info on it!
groan!
I got mine, filled it out. The genealogist in me is glad I won't be waiting to mine info off of these. No good info on it!
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Speaking of which... where does one go to look at old census data? What info is there?
Speaking of which... where does one go to look at old census data? What info is there?
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
The Statistical Abstract of the United States. I used that a lot for my senior research paper. I don't know if there's an online version or not. The book is huge, includes census data, DOJ data, and the list continues.
leswp1
New member
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Before the intertubes you could go to various places like historical societies, local libraries and the state/ federal repositories to look at the microfiche of the census and vital records. The federal repository also has naturalization stuff. I have a subscription to ancestry.com that lets me look at it online. (I have the superduper subscription that also lets me look at international stuff).
Off the top of my head, and RFAlph may recall better than I, the 1840 census asked name, sex and little else. As they progressed thru the later 1800s they asked namesfor everyone in the house and for each person- age, where you were born, where your parents were born, parents native language, marital status, how long you were married/ age at marriage, occupation, whether you were an employee or owned the business, what language was spoken in the home and what the person's native language was. Most of the 1890 census burned so I don't know what was in that one. In the 1900s they asked if you owned or rented home, if you were naturalized or an alien, was there a radio in the house along with all the other info from before.
I am sure there is other information but I haven't been looking at those recently as I have been on the Scottish census for awhile. Our records are abysmal when compared to the Brits.
They asked even more interesting questions if you were visiting the country or immigtating in. My personal favorite were the questions about whether the person was an anarchist, wanted to overthrow a government, etc. I think that was in the early 1900s.
Before the intertubes you could go to various places like historical societies, local libraries and the state/ federal repositories to look at the microfiche of the census and vital records. The federal repository also has naturalization stuff. I have a subscription to ancestry.com that lets me look at it online. (I have the superduper subscription that also lets me look at international stuff).
Off the top of my head, and RFAlph may recall better than I, the 1840 census asked name, sex and little else. As they progressed thru the later 1800s they asked namesfor everyone in the house and for each person- age, where you were born, where your parents were born, parents native language, marital status, how long you were married/ age at marriage, occupation, whether you were an employee or owned the business, what language was spoken in the home and what the person's native language was. Most of the 1890 census burned so I don't know what was in that one. In the 1900s they asked if you owned or rented home, if you were naturalized or an alien, was there a radio in the house along with all the other info from before.
I am sure there is other information but I haven't been looking at those recently as I have been on the Scottish census for awhile. Our records are abysmal when compared to the Brits.
They asked even more interesting questions if you were visiting the country or immigtating in. My personal favorite were the questions about whether the person was an anarchist, wanted to overthrow a government, etc. I think that was in the early 1900s.
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Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Although I have been to the National Archives a few dozen times over the years, my family was not in the US back then. My great-grandfather (Baer) came to the US in 1867 and returned to Germany, after marrying, in 1873. (His wife was also born in what was to become Germany.) None of my ancestors lived here again until the 1930s.
I'll defer to you on all of that.
Although I have been to the National Archives a few dozen times over the years, my family was not in the US back then. My great-grandfather (Baer) came to the US in 1867 and returned to Germany, after marrying, in 1873. (His wife was also born in what was to become Germany.) None of my ancestors lived here again until the 1930s.GopherRock
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
If you're on ancestry.com you can see them all up to (IINM) 1930. The ones from 1890, 1900, 1910 etc are actually more inclusive than today, they include things like what language is spoken by each person, job, how many total children (not just resident in the home, as in counting all the deceased little ones).
But of course we were on the road to serfdom during the gilded age...
If you're on ancestry.com you can see them all up to (IINM) 1930. The ones from 1890, 1900, 1910 etc are actually more inclusive than today, they include things like what language is spoken by each person, job, how many total children (not just resident in the home, as in counting all the deceased little ones).
But of course we were on the road to serfdom during the gilded age...
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Lol. If I was on a lifeboat and had to make a choice of which ones to send overboard ... a lawyer, a banker, a census taker ... Even though I find census wokers annoying I would kick both the lawyer and the banker off the boat before the census peon.
They already have this information. SS, Tax records, school record, birth certificate records etc... And this will have the bonus of not counting illegals or off the book non-citizens. Ok maybe not since we allow illegals into our schools.
my point was clearly lost in the translation since some of you reference the Bronze age, we're not living in the bronze age, Iron age, nor the gilded age but in the computer/information age... maybe it's time to update our outdated notion of why/how we take the census. And maybe we can centralize our medical records while we're at it and start a birth2death info gathering, automatic voter registration etc...
no I don't have a problem with government taking the census they could do it better and, I find the telemarketr tactics used by the census to be annoying.
Lol. If I was on a lifeboat and had to make a choice of which ones to send overboard ... a lawyer, a banker, a census taker ... Even though I find census wokers annoying I would kick both the lawyer and the banker off the boat before the census peon.
They already have this information. SS, Tax records, school record, birth certificate records etc... And this will have the bonus of not counting illegals or off the book non-citizens. Ok maybe not since we allow illegals into our schools.
my point was clearly lost in the translation since some of you reference the Bronze age, we're not living in the bronze age, Iron age, nor the gilded age but in the computer/information age... maybe it's time to update our outdated notion of why/how we take the census. And maybe we can centralize our medical records while we're at it and start a birth2death info gathering, automatic voter registration etc...
no I don't have a problem with government taking the census they could do it better and, I find the telemarketr tactics used by the census to be annoying.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...67560/march-17-2010/united-states-census-2010
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...67560/march-17-2010/united-states-census-2010
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Priceless
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Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
They're going to ask how many slaves I own? ****, I'm screwed.
They're going to ask how many slaves I own? ****, I'm screwed.
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Typical Badger fan, sent it back but never filled it out.Well, I have half completed the request of this thread.
leswp1
New member
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
As to getting all the info from other sources- You could track adults that were on the grid but how do you track little children not in school, migrant workers, folks that don't have a licence, don't pay taxes and live by working under the table. I know a few of those. They use resources if they get sick but otherwise are invisible. How do you track were they really live. People have PO boxes and live somewhere else. As far as I understand it the census is one of the ways used to alot $ depending on population.
As to the electronic medical thing and using it to track stuff- hahahahahahahah! I work in medicine- this is the biggest laugh evah! France has a great system but they have (time for the big scream) socialized medicine. You go in, swipe your card and they have all the records at their fingertips. We currently have at least a few hundred systems for EMR- none of them interface, all of them have such huge potential for error it makes me shudder (I am a hundred times more leary when I get medical care from a place with EMR- I could tell stories all day about the way errors can/are be made) . In order to track everything you need to be able to find a place to enter it and most of these are not intuitive systems. Ask anyone who runs a medical practice how much the insurance companies regularly under-reimburse because they say they can't prove something was done. To do it right you would need to have one huge system and that would be socialist. Never going to happen in my life time. We can't even get ours to interface with the hospital lab after 5 yrs.
The census is used as a basis for so many things for a few hundred years. Short of just being contrary at heart, I can see more harm than good from stopping it. It is the only way to gather non-biased info that is comprehensive and all inclusive. Mine away at records and depending on how you set the variables you are looking for I would imagine it would effect the # you get.
CC to the person who repped me: I know what you mean. Not many active synapses there.
Whether you like it or not they illegals use all sorts of public resources like roads, public transport, hospitals, schools, police, fire, water supply, etc. We all might not like that they do it but unless you are more brilliant than the polititians and can find a way to eject them (which would cause at least a few cities in my state to completely implode economically) they use resources and we need # to estimate what we need.
As to getting all the info from other sources- You could track adults that were on the grid but how do you track little children not in school, migrant workers, folks that don't have a licence, don't pay taxes and live by working under the table. I know a few of those. They use resources if they get sick but otherwise are invisible. How do you track were they really live. People have PO boxes and live somewhere else. As far as I understand it the census is one of the ways used to alot $ depending on population.
As to the electronic medical thing and using it to track stuff- hahahahahahahah! I work in medicine- this is the biggest laugh evah! France has a great system but they have (time for the big scream) socialized medicine. You go in, swipe your card and they have all the records at their fingertips. We currently have at least a few hundred systems for EMR- none of them interface, all of them have such huge potential for error it makes me shudder (I am a hundred times more leary when I get medical care from a place with EMR- I could tell stories all day about the way errors can/are be made) . In order to track everything you need to be able to find a place to enter it and most of these are not intuitive systems. Ask anyone who runs a medical practice how much the insurance companies regularly under-reimburse because they say they can't prove something was done. To do it right you would need to have one huge system and that would be socialist. Never going to happen in my life time. We can't even get ours to interface with the hospital lab after 5 yrs.
The census is used as a basis for so many things for a few hundred years. Short of just being contrary at heart, I can see more harm than good from stopping it. It is the only way to gather non-biased info that is comprehensive and all inclusive. Mine away at records and depending on how you set the variables you are looking for I would imagine it would effect the # you get.
CC to the person who repped me: I know what you mean. Not many active synapses there.
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Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I need "Writing for Dummies". I rant about census takers and their methods and comments are tin foils/gov conspiracy and living in the iron age.
Like I said SS numbers or national ID from birth2death would count all the citizens. I'm not sure how this "volunteer" survey which got around 80% response rate in 2000 is more accurate than public/gov records. Or that we should reward the local/state governments and the businesses that hire illegals by sending them more federal money.
You could call it socialism but it's also done all the time in the free markets by consortium of business/manufactures (ANSI, blu-ray, TCP, USB etc..) and if these guys (hospitals/doctors) can't agree on a standard then it might be in the best interest of the patients and the country to force them.
I just saw the nightline piece on medicare fraud, kinda shocked how easy it was for these guys to steal millions by filing fake bills and our government pays them automatically without any checks. Estimate was around $2billion to the criminal gangs running these scams.
I need "Writing for Dummies". I rant about census takers and their methods and comments are tin foils/gov conspiracy and living in the iron age.
Like I said SS numbers or national ID from birth2death would count all the citizens. I'm not sure how this "volunteer" survey which got around 80% response rate in 2000 is more accurate than public/gov records. Or that we should reward the local/state governments and the businesses that hire illegals by sending them more federal money.
You could call it socialism but it's also done all the time in the free markets by consortium of business/manufactures (ANSI, blu-ray, TCP, USB etc..) and if these guys (hospitals/doctors) can't agree on a standard then it might be in the best interest of the patients and the country to force them.
I just saw the nightline piece on medicare fraud, kinda shocked how easy it was for these guys to steal millions by filing fake bills and our government pays them automatically without any checks. Estimate was around $2billion to the criminal gangs running these scams.
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
You really put that much faith in social security numbers?
Second, the Census (as mandated by the Constitution) counts all residents, not citizens. It has done so since the first census in 1790. Residents, not citizens, have been the basis for apportionment since the dawn of our government.
And it makes sense - residents use services.
No one is claiming that the Census is 100% accurate. 100% accuracy is near impossible to achieve. For what it's worth, your proposal to just use existing data sources would certainly produce far more inaccurate results since you'd be biasing those results based only on those particular pools of information.
The single biggest reason to participate in the Census (and indeed have the Census in the first place) is to have good information about our population. Good decisions require good information. This goes for government and the private sector - and the private sector uses for census data are huge.
There are certainly more economical ways to collect that data, but they also have biases and shortcomings - and resetting the baseline with a nationwide census every 10 years is an excellent way to augment that data.
I need "Writing for Dummies". I rant about census takers and their methods and comments are tin foils/gov conspiracy and living in the iron age.
Like I said SS numbers or national ID from birth2death would count all the citizens. I'm not sure how this "volunteer" survey which got around 80% response rate in 2000 is more accurate than public/gov records. Or that we should reward the local/state governments and the businesses that hire illegals by sending them more federal money.
You could call it socialism but it's also done all the time in the free markets by consortium of business/manufactures (ANSI, blu-ray, TCP, USB etc..) and if these guys (hospitals/doctors) can't agree on a standard then it might be in the best interest of the patients and the country to force them.
I just saw the nightline piece on medicare fraud, kinda shocked how easy it was for these guys to steal millions by filing fake bills and our government pays them automatically without any checks. Estimate was around $2billion to the criminal gangs running these scams.
You really put that much faith in social security numbers?
Second, the Census (as mandated by the Constitution) counts all residents, not citizens. It has done so since the first census in 1790. Residents, not citizens, have been the basis for apportionment since the dawn of our government.
And it makes sense - residents use services.
No one is claiming that the Census is 100% accurate. 100% accuracy is near impossible to achieve. For what it's worth, your proposal to just use existing data sources would certainly produce far more inaccurate results since you'd be biasing those results based only on those particular pools of information.
The single biggest reason to participate in the Census (and indeed have the Census in the first place) is to have good information about our population. Good decisions require good information. This goes for government and the private sector - and the private sector uses for census data are huge.
There are certainly more economical ways to collect that data, but they also have biases and shortcomings - and resetting the baseline with a nationwide census every 10 years is an excellent way to augment that data.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I think where some people start to object is to many of the questions on the long form. Nearly everyone receives the short form and most have no problems with it. The long form is far more invasive than the short. But from what I understand this is not going to be part of this year's census.
I think where some people start to object is to many of the questions on the long form. Nearly everyone receives the short form and most have no problems with it. The long form is far more invasive than the short. But from what I understand this is not going to be part of this year's census.
moe24
Original Lawson Lunatic
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I think that may be part of it, but there are also those who believe that the Census Bureau is violating the Constitution by collecting any information beyond a "head count".
I think that may be part of it, but there are also those who believe that the Census Bureau is violating the Constitution by collecting any information beyond a "head count".
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Well, technically speaking I don't believe the Constitution mandated anything beyond a head count based on whether or not you were "free."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey
The above is the thing that I along with many other people have a problem with. It's the threat of up to $5,000 in fines for not filling it out. It's one thing I actually agree with Bachmann on *shudder*
Well, technically speaking I don't believe the Constitution mandated anything beyond a head count based on whether or not you were "free."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey
The above is the thing that I along with many other people have a problem with. It's the threat of up to $5,000 in fines for not filling it out. It's one thing I actually agree with Bachmann on *shudder*