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2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
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moe24
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Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
The Constitution mandates a census every 10 years. Period. No stated restrictions and no stated stipulations on what information was to be specifically collected. Personally I don't think those who object have much of an argument (based on this year's census form) as demographic information is a perfectly reasonable thing to collect in a census.
The Constitution mandates a census every 10 years. Period. No stated restrictions and no stated stipulations on what information was to be specifically collected. Personally I don't think those who object have much of an argument (based on this year's census form) as demographic information is a perfectly reasonable thing to collect in a census.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I don't necessarily disagree that it's reasonable. However, there's an ocean of difference between what's reasonable and what's legally required.
I don't necessarily disagree that it's reasonable. However, there's an ocean of difference between what's reasonable and what's legally required.
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
There is no long form anymore. There is the American Community Survey, but that is a continuous survey that's going on all the time.
Of course, the necessary and proper clause gives Congress the power to enforce their enumerated powers from Article I (including the Census) with appropriate legislation. They've passed that legislation long ago, it's been challenged and upheld many times.
As mentioned, the legal requirement and the Constitutional requirements are different.
Even the detailed data from the ACS isn't unreasonable, in my mind. Good decisions need to be based on good data. The Census Bureau has an excellent track record in protecting personal information.
There is no long form anymore. There is the American Community Survey, but that is a continuous survey that's going on all the time.
Of course, the necessary and proper clause gives Congress the power to enforce their enumerated powers from Article I (including the Census) with appropriate legislation. They've passed that legislation long ago, it's been challenged and upheld many times.
As mentioned, the legal requirement and the Constitutional requirements are different.
Even the detailed data from the ACS isn't unreasonable, in my mind. Good decisions need to be based on good data. The Census Bureau has an excellent track record in protecting personal information.
Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau
Post-coital
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
So you not wanting us to tink you a rednecks mais you waching so much TV dat you know da commurcials so much you sick a dem, eh? Hey, seester, I gots a newsflashing pour vous, der no commurcials in books or walking around outside, eh
The Freds
Goin' Up?
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I just finished the census and am including items (1) and (3) above in the return envelope with a note to say stop wasting taxpayer money. It won't accomplish anything, but I sure feel better. Maybe I'll add an old AOL disk if I have one laying around.
Must admit, having now gotten in the mail (1) this is to tell you we are going to send you a Census (2) the Census and (3) this is to tell you we recently sent you a Census, it's starting to feel like AOL disk giveaways.
I just finished the census and am including items (1) and (3) above in the return envelope with a note to say stop wasting taxpayer money. It won't accomplish anything, but I sure feel better. Maybe I'll add an old AOL disk if I have one laying around.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
(1) and (3) won't get to the right post drop, so you'll get another one of (3) for sure, and maybe another (1), (2), and (3) if they're worried.
Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in last night and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars of Camay. I want my one **** bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have 54 bars of soap in here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back my bath-size Dial.
(1) and (3) won't get to the right post drop, so you'll get another one of (3) for sure, and maybe another (1), (2), and (3) if they're worried.
Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in last night and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars of Camay. I want my one **** bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have 54 bars of soap in here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back my bath-size Dial.
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
As was discussed upthread, more people return their census forms if they've been sent (1), meaning they have to pay for fewer man-hours of Census employees going door-to-door where people haven't responded, meaning they actually save money, on balance, by sending you (1). I would guess the same is true for (3).
gojackets
New member
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I took the census job test today. Such a joke test...It took me 15 minutes and I got all 28 questions right. You have to get 10 of the 28 correct to pass. The lady on my right got 7 correct, the dude on my left got 5. It took me 15 of the 30 minutes to finish..this guy when we were walking out said he only got half done. These were questions like 3002-98 = ? or if the form saids Q1 ___yes ____ no if no go to question 3 ....... if you answer yes to question one, what question do you ask next?
I took the census job test today. Such a joke test...It took me 15 minutes and I got all 28 questions right. You have to get 10 of the 28 correct to pass. The lady on my right got 7 correct, the dude on my left got 5. It took me 15 of the 30 minutes to finish..this guy when we were walking out said he only got half done. These were questions like 3002-98 = ? or if the form saids Q1 ___yes ____ no if no go to question 3 ....... if you answer yes to question one, what question do you ask next?
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Maybe they think you like to drop the soap while in the shower.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Right, I posted that a few posts below my OP. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the unreasonableness of the ACS. You make a pretty bold statement that the government actually uses the data to make good decisions. There is enough money floating around washington to make data irrelevant.
It doesn't matter if the census bureau has a good track record, the fact that the data is there means it's accessible legal or otherwise.
Right, I posted that a few posts below my OP. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the unreasonableness of the ACS. You make a pretty bold statement that the government actually uses the data to make good decisions. There is enough money floating around washington to make data irrelevant.
It doesn't matter if the census bureau has a good track record, the fact that the data is there means it's accessible legal or otherwise.
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
That's more of an issue with the decisions being made. You simply cannot convince me, however, that we'd make better decisions if we had worse data.
Furthermore, it's not the people at the Census Bureau who make those decisions. They merely provide the information.
But go ahead, I'm listening.
The Census has an excellent track record of protecting individual data. Of course the statistical, aggregate data is publicly available - that's the whole point of the census.
The Census Bureau goes through all kinds of hoops to ensure that the personal data is protected. I know, I work with them on a lot of stuff, and their data restrictions can be a real pain in the *** - but I have no doubts about the security of that information.
And though you may think the ACS questions are intrusive, they are all still simply demographic questions. They do not ever ask for SSNs, credit card numbers, bank account information, etc - and for good reason.
That's more of an issue with the decisions being made. You simply cannot convince me, however, that we'd make better decisions if we had worse data.
Furthermore, it's not the people at the Census Bureau who make those decisions. They merely provide the information.
But go ahead, I'm listening.
The Census has an excellent track record of protecting individual data. Of course the statistical, aggregate data is publicly available - that's the whole point of the census.
The Census Bureau goes through all kinds of hoops to ensure that the personal data is protected. I know, I work with them on a lot of stuff, and their data restrictions can be a real pain in the *** - but I have no doubts about the security of that information.
And though you may think the ACS questions are intrusive, they are all still simply demographic questions. They do not ever ask for SSNs, credit card numbers, bank account information, etc - and for good reason.
UMhockeyandwrestling
Registered User
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
My roommate did it for me since he gets off work at about 4. To be honest, if it was left to me, I probably would have never done it.
My roommate did it for me since he gets off work at about 4. To be honest, if it was left to me, I probably would have never done it.
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SiouxTechie
USCHO's Most Hated Poster
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I got mine, but do I really have to fill it out? I hate America, remember?
I got mine, but do I really have to fill it out? I hate America, remember?
gojackets
New member
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
I was mostly just trying to point how ridiculously low the standards are to be a census taker and make 15 bucks an hour. Also pointing how how dumb the average American must be if the government gives a test and considers 35% passing.
I was mostly just trying to point how ridiculously low the standards are to be a census taker and make 15 bucks an hour. Also pointing how how dumb the average American must be if the government gives a test and considers 35% passing.
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
The bar to 'pass' is relative, but the Bureau ends up hiring those that set the bar in their zip code first.
The only real exceptions to that are special skills, such as language translation, etc.
The bar to 'pass' is relative, but the Bureau ends up hiring those that set the bar in their zip code first.
The only real exceptions to that are special skills, such as language translation, etc.
Re: 2010 Census - Fill it out, send it back
Pretty sure I don't exist, according to the US Government. I don't live with my mother anymore, so she can't claim me. My apartment does have a separate address from the house it is in, but the former owner listed it as a business address. I never did a change-of-address because I couldn't do it online (you can't change a business address to a residential address online) and I'm too lazy to go to the post office.
And since I didn't get a census form, I'm figuring it means I slipped through the cracks and don't exist to the census bureau.
Pretty sure I don't exist, according to the US Government. I don't live with my mother anymore, so she can't claim me. My apartment does have a separate address from the house it is in, but the former owner listed it as a business address. I never did a change-of-address because I couldn't do it online (you can't change a business address to a residential address online) and I'm too lazy to go to the post office.
And since I didn't get a census form, I'm figuring it means I slipped through the cracks and don't exist to the census bureau.