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2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I'm also starting to buy in to the fact that its more than just the line that's the problem here. Between McCarthy refusing to call for quick routes, Rodgers taking too long to try to find the "underneath" routes and the inconsistency in the running game... there are a lot of issues with this offense.
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You would think the QB on a team with a line that bad would try and get rid of the ball quicker...he stands in the pocket for way too long and even good lines can only block so long.
 
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Handyman said:
Well MW4 it appears we don't have a match, but we hope you had fun playing the game and we are going to send you home with the home version of the game and a years supply of Rice o Roni, the San Fransisco treat!

Maybe next time you should try "Press Your Luck" ;)
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I loved the consolation prizes on those shows!

Brad, I understand. If this was your wife I would be giving you grief, but at this point it's all good.

As far as the team, what a pitiful performance. No urgency. If they can't get it turned around to at least 9-7 I'd be in favor of dumping both TT and McCarthy. The roster has had the same problems for a while and the same issues with penalties and poor fundamentals just never get fixed. My turning point with McCarthy was pretty much when he justified not benching Jolly for his stupidity against the Vikings.
 
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The big questions over the past 48 hours seem to be about the same old mistakes being repeated as well as a major doubt that the players are even listening to the staff. I'm getting a sense the staff is starting to lose their players and this loss may really signal the beginning of the end to this regime.

If they don't turn it around into at least a winning record, I honestly believe the only thing that could save TT and MM is the labor problems. I'm not sure the team wants to buy these guys out, pay big bucks for a new GM, new coach, or combo, so they can coach a year and then possibly sit around just collecting during a prolonged lockout or labor unrest with no cap.
 
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From Milwaukee paper blog on Packers.

Real Men of Genius,

Today we salute you. Mr. Football General Manager guy.

Any General Manager can guide a team to mediocrity, but it take as a special talent to build a juggernaut capable of losing to both a baby and an old man in consecutive weeks.

You’ve drafted a record breaking offensive line that is the pride and joy of every other defensive coordinator in the league. And while your OL makes obscure defensive linemen look like Reggie White, you can take solace that at least they won’t be breaking your salary cap!

(What a relief!)

You’ve rigorously groomed your franchise quarterback for years for this day. The one where he is out dueled by a rookie playing his first game for an 0-7 squad.

(Do we still have Brett’s cell number?)

Because while building a Super bowl contender is difficult, you’ve proven even a blind chimp gets a banana once in awhile.

(See my big contract!)

So crack open an ice-cold Bud Light, GM guy, because every franchise needs an anti-christ, and you're the second coming.
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Handyman said:
You would think the QB on a team with a line that bad would try and get rid of the ball quicker...he stands in the pocket for way too long and even good lines can only block so long.
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I know that I'm probably guilty of making excuses for Rodgers, and what you say certainly is a contributing factor. But lets put this in perspective here.

I've watched every game this year, and I would estimate that (from what I can tell from watching on TV) about 1/3 of the sacks are from Rodgers not getting the ball out and the other 2/3 are from our pathetic excuse of an offenSIEVE line.

Now, from that 1/3- there are a few different reasons for why Rodgers doesn't get rid of the ball:

- Recievers aren't open, and there's nowhere for him to throw it.
- Recievers aren't quite open, and Rodgers doesn't have the confidence or desire to "force" it in there.
- Recievers aren't open, and Rodgers isn't getting to the underneath routes.
- Nothing good is happening, our protection is terrible, and he has no chance in hell of getting outside the tackles.

Two of those four reasons are completely on Rodgers. Even then, one of them sort of makes sense if you'd rather he take a sack than risk an INT.

I have no idea how to break down the 1/3 of the sacks among those four reasons. But I do know that there's no way you put them all on Rodgers.

The people blaming Rodgers for our team right now are the same idiots that give all the credit for SB XXXI to Cornbread Judas- when everyone who watched that year (even me, and I was freakin' 12 at the time) knew that the reason we were so good that year was because we had an amazing defense and outstanding special teams. They don't know football, they just want to write about it. Hacks.

As if Cornbread Judas would magically make this team any better. Can he play tackle?
 
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The question of how long Rodgers is holding the ball is an interesting one. On one hand he certainly could stand to get rid of the ball a little earlier. On the other hand, if your QB starts getting jumpy and starts thinking more about the protection than his job...he's often done. One of the biggest signs an old QB is done even when he could show you he can still make every throw in 7 on 7 drills is when he stops looking downfield and starts looking at the rush. They need to find a way to make sure Rodgers isn't there for 10 or 12 years. They can't have him worrying about the protection once the ball is snapped. He needs to make the right pre-snap reads and trust those reads along with his guys.

Since they aren't getting it done, and to save him from his tendence to hold the ball, at this point the solution is changing the design of the routes and his drop so the ball gets out quicker as well as sticking with the run better than McCarthy tends to by rotating Grant and Green for fresh legs. 5 step...read, read, read...dump off or get what you can with the legs. Their toughest opponent has been themselves with poor early down run gains and penalties putting them in situations where they have to throw downfield. It's easy to be a defensive coordinator when your opponent is constantly 3rd and 12 and it's easy to be an offensive coordinator when you are sitting 2nd and 5 and 3rd and 1. Without early down execution they'll continue to have issues with down and distance.
 
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MW4Bucky&SNC said:
Since they aren't getting it done, and to save him from his tendence to hold the ball, at this point the solution is changing the design of the routes and his drop so the ball gets out quicker as well as sticking with the run better than McCarthy tends to by rotating Grant and Green for fresh legs. 5 step...read, read, read...dump off or get what you can with the legs. Their toughest opponent has been themselves with poor early down run gains and penalties putting them in situations where they have to throw downfield. It's easy to be a defensive coordinator when your opponent is constantly 3rd and 12 and it's easy to be an offensive coordinator when you are sitting 2nd and 5 and 3rd and 1. Without early down execution they'll continue to have issues with down and distance.
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That would be great and all, but teams aren't even blitzing. You can't throw the quick slants and other staples of the WC offense if the D is dropping seven into coverage AND still getting to the QB in under three seconds. The bottom line is that we, as Packer fans, get to watch an unserviceable O-line get our QB murdered. The holding penalties are due to a lack of talent up front. The lack of time for Rodgers is due to a lack of talent up front. If you can't stop four d-linemen with 5-6 blockers, you're going to get killed.....period. Rodgers has been at fault for several of the sacks he's taken in the past few games, but it's been on the O-Line more often than not.
 
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See what happens when you unleash some of these exotic blitzes? You get pressure on the QB. There is NO WAY this has been the same defense we were watching all year. Offense? SSDD. Too may holding penalties, too much pressure on Rodgers. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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The offense didn't really move toward solving many of their issues and the special teams units were shaky as a whole. Thank god the defense went with an aggressive mindset. The blitzes were well designed and took advantage of some mental mistakes by Dallas, but sometimes it wasn't even that. When you just have an attack mentality on defense it fuels you even on plays where you have the protection outnumbered. I was maybe most impressed with the run defense. After a few successful carries early in the game, Dallas did nothing on the ground and really got away from it. Green Bay didn't have a stellar average and had no explosive plays in the run game, but I did like seeing them commit to it enough to get almost 30 carries and gain over 100 yards on the ground.

Does Jeff Triplette's crew make that game unwatchable or what? It wasn't a particular beef against one team. They were just not very good. I know these are two of the most penalized teams in football and they didn't play anything close to a clean game, but I thought this crew took the approach I hate in just looking for any little reason they can find to call a penalty. One thing I'll freely admit is I'd have to look up is whether it's a penalty for a coach to challenge when he has none left. If it isn't a penalty, the rules need to be changed in the offseason to make it one. It's too easy for a coach to give his defense a break by throwing a challenge flag just to break some momentum. At the very least make the coach choose between taking a delay of game penalty or using a timeout if they have one. That's where Triplett's crew really looked like they didn't know what they were doing...to take so long to decide the Packers didn't have a challenge as well as taking 5 minutes to determine a fumble recovery wasn't reviewable. That one I did know the second Bum Jr. threw that red flag. They did get both of those right eventually, but taking so long made them look like they were completely lucky in doing so.

One last thing, Woodson has to be your defensive player of the week. That guy can just ball. If he's willing to move to safety in a year or two he could probably be an every down player for another 4 years.
 
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MW4Bucky&SNC said:
One thing I'll freely admit is I'd have to look up is whether it's a penalty for a coach to challenge when he has none left. If it isn't a penalty, the rules need to be changed in the offseason to make it one. It's too easy for a coach to give his defense a break by throwing a challenge flag just to break some momentum.
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From yesterday's postgame Q&A
Mike McCarthy said:
On third challenge: "I made a mistake." Was supposed to get a 15-yard penalty.
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Yeah, it's a personal foul if the coach throws a third challenge flag, or throws the flag with under two minutes to go.
 
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Guys, who is this Spencer Havner fellow? Is he getting legit LB time?

I only ask because he has TE/DP status in my league and DP get insane points each week (point per tackle, etc.)
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Guys, who is this Spencer Havner fellow? Is he getting legit LB time?

I only ask because he has TE/DP status in my league and DP get insane points each week (point per tackle, etc.)
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Havner is basically a converted LB. He's been getting almost all of his reps at TE, but does get some ST play, so that's about the only place he'd get any tackles.
 
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Believe it or not this is not from The Onion :D

Iraqi detainees taunt Wisconsin National Guardsmen

According to a military official, detainees at a Wisconsin National Guard camp in Iraq are using Brett Favre as a manner of getting at the guard troops there.

"They know Favre by name," said First Lieutenant Tim Boehnen, who is from New Richmond, Wis. "One of the big words they know now is shenanigan. They'll constantly talk about 'Favre shenanigans,' 'He's so good for the Vikings,' and 'The Packers have got to really feel bad about that one.' " According to Boehnen, it started when troops there started decorating their camp in Packers colors.

"We try to allow our troops to have as much fun in the compound as they can while still maintaining our professional manner," explained Boehnen. "We spend a lot of time painting and making our compound our own and representing us. Obviously, wherever Wisconsinites go, we bring the Packers with us."
Once the decoration job happened, detainees became curious.

"They obviously then started up the conversations, and started talking about Brett Favre. They soon learned about Favre going to the Vikings, and things just started going downhill from there." Boehnen said soccer is the main sport that detainees pay attention to there, so there's not exactly a Vikings fan club chapter in Iraq. "They'll hear guards talking about it, and then they pick up a lot of stuff from that, too," said Boehnen. "They're very crafty. They learn different stuff from different ways."
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