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2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
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Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
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Early reports on Al Harris and linebacker Aaron Kampman suggest both will miss the rest of the season.
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Early reports on Al Harris and linebacker Aaron Kampman suggest both will miss the rest of the season.
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if both were ACL injuries. Harris' injury was completely non-contact and Kampman was locked up with a guy but wasn't rolled on or anything like that. When a guy goes down in a heap in those types of situations it's usually really bad. Poor Kampman. Between playing out of position and what we suspect for this injury it may cost him tens of millions of dollars this offseason when he's been nothing but a good soldier his entire career.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if both were ACL injuries. Harris' injury was completely non-contact and Kampman was locked up with a guy but wasn't rolled on or anything like that. When a guy goes down in a heap in those types of situations it's usually really bad. Poor Kampman. Between playing out of position and what we suspect for this injury it may cost him tens of millions of dollars this offseason when he's been nothing but a good soldier his entire career.
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
This fell way too far down. If they win tonight I love their playoff chances. I see no way they don't get in if they finish 10-6, which would require 3-2 in December. With Atlanta already at 6 losses and Ryan still out and every other non-division leading NFC team having at least 7 losses, the Wildcard is a 3 team race between the Packers and whoever doesn't win the NFC East between Philly, Dallas, and the Giants. Since Philly plays the other 2 down the stretch, has the best NFC record, the Packers have the tiebreaker against Dallas, and at worst the Packers will have a record equal to the Giants, I'd say rooting for Philly down the stretch is the way to go.
This fell way too far down. If they win tonight I love their playoff chances. I see no way they don't get in if they finish 10-6, which would require 3-2 in December. With Atlanta already at 6 losses and Ryan still out and every other non-division leading NFC team having at least 7 losses, the Wildcard is a 3 team race between the Packers and whoever doesn't win the NFC East between Philly, Dallas, and the Giants. Since Philly plays the other 2 down the stretch, has the best NFC record, the Packers have the tiebreaker against Dallas, and at worst the Packers will have a record equal to the Giants, I'd say rooting for Philly down the stretch is the way to go.
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
That was a pretty neat experiment to see how many penalty yards they could get against a decent team and still win. We'll see if they can get it over 200 and still win. I expected some penalties with the two most penalized teams meeting and I thought turnovers could happen with 2 aggressive defenses. This was a little much though.
I really didn't have much of a beef with Walt Coleman's crew. I thought they got most things right based on how they are instructed by the NFL to enforce the rules. I'm just so sick of how the NFL's rules don't allow DBs to compete for position or the ball. The NFL has their approach all wrong on this. They can't ask their officials to call every little tiny hand fight downfield.
That was a pretty neat experiment to see how many penalty yards they could get against a decent team and still win. We'll see if they can get it over 200 and still win. I expected some penalties with the two most penalized teams meeting and I thought turnovers could happen with 2 aggressive defenses. This was a little much though.
I really didn't have much of a beef with Walt Coleman's crew. I thought they got most things right based on how they are instructed by the NFL to enforce the rules. I'm just so sick of how the NFL's rules don't allow DBs to compete for position or the ball. The NFL has their approach all wrong on this. They can't ask their officials to call every little tiny hand fight downfield.
Flashy Man
Misfit Emeritus
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Fire Mason Crosby, that is all.
Fire Mason Crosby, that is all.
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
I'm not sure if I'm more disappointed in Cullen Jenkins for his horrible tackle on the second from last play that could have ended the game or the great tackle by the Steelers' center on the final play (uncalled of course) that also could have ended it.
I'm not sure if I'm more disappointed in Cullen Jenkins for his horrible tackle on the second from last play that could have ended the game or the great tackle by the Steelers' center on the final play (uncalled of course) that also could have ended it.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
No kidding.
Still should've won that game, even with his terrible kicking. What a rough way to lose.
No kidding.
Still should've won that game, even with his terrible kicking. What a rough way to lose.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Too bad that Longwell fellow was all old and washed up.
Too bad that Longwell fellow was all old and washed up.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
What was the deal with that anyways...I never got why you would let a kicker who could still kick with distance and accuracy go. Good kickers last forever look how long Morten Andersen and Gary Anderson were around, or Eddie Murray, or Jason Hanson...seemed rather odd.
What was the deal with that anyways...I never got why you would let a kicker who could still kick with distance and accuracy go. Good kickers last forever look how long Morten Andersen and Gary Anderson were around, or Eddie Murray, or Jason Hanson...seemed rather odd.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
I want to say he left simply because the Vikings offered more than the Packers (same reason we let Darren Sharper go: he wanted to test the open market and we were destined to be outbid), but I could be wrong.
Edit: Okay, I was wrong. He was never offered a contract by the Packers.
http://espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news_items/40/news_items_more.php?id=1600§ion_id=40
Although, I do recall that his kickoffs were routinely landing around the 15 yard line at one point. I have no idea if that had anything to do with it, but his field goal % was good enough to make up for the field position problems...
I want to say he left simply because the Vikings offered more than the Packers (same reason we let Darren Sharper go: he wanted to test the open market and we were destined to be outbid), but I could be wrong.
Edit: Okay, I was wrong. He was never offered a contract by the Packers.
http://espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news_items/40/news_items_more.php?id=1600§ion_id=40
Although, I do recall that his kickoffs were routinely landing around the 15 yard line at one point. I have no idea if that had anything to do with it, but his field goal % was good enough to make up for the field position problems...
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Seperate thought:
I saw this in the comments section of an espn.com article, so take this with a grain of salt. (Actually, espn.com comments sections are bad enough, take this with about a pound of salt) Either way, here goes:
Anyone else catch this or is this one guy just plain wrong?
Seperate thought:
I saw this in the comments section of an espn.com article, so take this with a grain of salt. (Actually, espn.com comments sections are bad enough, take this with about a pound of salt) Either way, here goes:
Anyone else catch this or is this one guy just plain wrong?
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
I'm pretty sure the false start occured while the clock was not running...in that case there is no 10 second run off...
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
On the runoff issue, Shirless Guy got it. The runoff only happens when the clock is running.
This one still smarts even though I had in penciled in for a loss months ago. If only Tomlin had kicked deep. It would have taken the Packers another 2 minutes to score and Big Ben wouldn't have had any time. I know that is making a jump, but Tomlin actually did the onside kick because he all but admitted post-game he knew they wouldn't stop the Packers' offense no matter how far they had to drive so he might as well take the chance of getting the ball back. In the end it saved him enough time.
It could still be competely inconsequential in the playoff run if they take care of some business. Maybe it will be a good thing in the end because they'll now have to figure out some way to cover with their #6 and #8 CBs in the dime package. Teams would be crazy not to spread them out. Think about that rash of injuries at one spot for a second. They lost Al Harris, Blackmon, and Lee, who along with Williams and Woodson are all ahead of Bush on the CB depth chart. Bush was right there at #6 along with Underwood. Ford was definitely below Underwood and was nothing more than a borderline practice squad player until the injuries hit. Now Bush is playing the nickel and with Underwood nicked up with a hip problem Ford has to take some snaps at the nickel.
They were in terrible shape salary cap-wise and didn't want to pay top dollar for a kicker. Right or wrong they thought he was kind of a whiner with a weak leg for kickoffs. They had a lot of dead money with guys like Cletidus Hunt, Robert Ferguson, Joe Johnson, Jamaal Reynolds, etc., so they had to purge. They let Longwell's money go off the books, let Rivera walk, had to cut Wahle by design because of a poison pill bonus in his contract, cut Sharper, and cut Ferguson to get out from under Sherman's work.
On the runoff issue, Shirless Guy got it. The runoff only happens when the clock is running.
This one still smarts even though I had in penciled in for a loss months ago. If only Tomlin had kicked deep. It would have taken the Packers another 2 minutes to score and Big Ben wouldn't have had any time. I know that is making a jump, but Tomlin actually did the onside kick because he all but admitted post-game he knew they wouldn't stop the Packers' offense no matter how far they had to drive so he might as well take the chance of getting the ball back. In the end it saved him enough time.
It could still be competely inconsequential in the playoff run if they take care of some business. Maybe it will be a good thing in the end because they'll now have to figure out some way to cover with their #6 and #8 CBs in the dime package. Teams would be crazy not to spread them out. Think about that rash of injuries at one spot for a second. They lost Al Harris, Blackmon, and Lee, who along with Williams and Woodson are all ahead of Bush on the CB depth chart. Bush was right there at #6 along with Underwood. Ford was definitely below Underwood and was nothing more than a borderline practice squad player until the injuries hit. Now Bush is playing the nickel and with Underwood nicked up with a hip problem Ford has to take some snaps at the nickel.
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Matt Flynn looked great today. He should be starting.
Matt Flynn looked great today. He should be starting.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Green Bay should be starting Aaron Brooks.
Matt Flynn looked great today. He should be starting.
Green Bay should be starting Aaron Brooks.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Well. That sucked.
13 hours later and I'm still pretty p'ed off. Although there's no excuses for how the game started or ended for the offense, it's kind of hard to pin the game on them. No amount of terrible turnovers can be held responsible for what was clearly a terrible defensive game. Warner just picked us apart.
Well. That sucked.
13 hours later and I'm still pretty p'ed off. Although there's no excuses for how the game started or ended for the offense, it's kind of hard to pin the game on them. No amount of terrible turnovers can be held responsible for what was clearly a terrible defensive game. Warner just picked us apart.
Painted_Bandit
beer
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
Yup, I just wish Rackers would've made the FG so I wouldnt of have a slim chance of hope after Woodson won the coin toss
Yup, I just wish Rackers would've made the FG so I wouldnt of have a slim chance of hope after Woodson won the coin toss
MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way
I'm still stinging as well. The one thing that helps soften it a little is realizing they are still not a finished product. They earned their playoff spot, but they aren't quite there yet as a true title contender. With a few key moves the young roster will continue to get better and I expect them to be a true threat next year. The offense's turnovers can't happen, but putting up 45 points in regulation should be enough. The weaknesses in the secondary when you lose 3 of your top 5 CBs really showed up in this one. Imaginative offensive scheme by the Cardinals and great execution by Warner.
I'm still stinging as well. The one thing that helps soften it a little is realizing they are still not a finished product. They earned their playoff spot, but they aren't quite there yet as a true title contender. With a few key moves the young roster will continue to get better and I expect them to be a true threat next year. The offense's turnovers can't happen, but putting up 45 points in regulation should be enough. The weaknesses in the secondary when you lose 3 of your top 5 CBs really showed up in this one. Imaginative offensive scheme by the Cardinals and great execution by Warner.
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