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2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

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All I want for Christmas is a new Vermont Season Thread, a new Vermont Season Thread, a new Vermont Season Thread.............
 
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Ok, I will attempt to talk Vermont hockey.
Here goes:

I would like to know other fans thoughts on the new Sneddon 3 dman line on the powerplay. With all the changes he has attempted. I think this is the one thing that actually has worked.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Ok, I will attempt to talk Vermont hockey.
Here goes:

I would like to know other fans thoughts on the new Sneddon 3 dman line on the powerplay. With all the changes he has attempted. I think this is the one thing that actually has worked.

My thoughts on the PP are this, it isn't necessarily an issue with the players Sneddon is putting out there but the play he uses. If you watch a sucessful PP you see good passing back out to the point where a D-man rips a shot to the net, forwards scramble for rebounds/garbage goals or a pass to a forward who one times a shot. If you watch Sneddon's PP you will see the puck always down low with the forwards trying to cycle it and get a pass through the crease where 4 PKer's are standing to intercept.

He could play 3-D or 5-F it really doesn't matter as long as he insists on putting everyone at the goal line to try to force a pass through the PKer's. I have never figured out why Sneddon hasn't gone with an umbrella formation and let some guys rip shots from the points. There are some good shots on this team, but the cats are always in "pass" mode, which has always been a weakness. Its not a good recipe for success.
Recently the PP has been generating goals but one thing you will notice if you look at them is they are on broken plays/ transitions. That's where the Cats excel. The only goal that was really "generated" by a power play unit was Irwins against DC. Which was a slap shot from the point. This is more of the approach that I personally would like to see.
 
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New to the thread.

Glad to see some posts about UVM hockey from jcarter and Martin St. Louis Fan as opposed to boring banter back and forth.

I agree with Jcarter on the power play. While the backdoor plays are nice when they work I wish the power play unit would shoot more and pass less. They seem to be looking for highlight film goals as opposed to just shoot and crash the net and see what happens.

However, it felt like the 3 DMAN set up on the powerplay against Darmouth they were attempting to get Lawson open and let him hammer away. His 3 or so shots in this alignment were all right at the goalie. I think this could bare fruit. Remember in the later part of last season Lawson started put the puck in the net.

Question: Why the black uniforms against Dartmouth? Both teams have green and white uniforms? When did UVM last where the black at home? or ever?

Nice to see the boys having turned it around a bit.. but beating St Lawrence & Dartmouth don’t mean much. Certainly hope we get to face Minnesota-Duluth (who split with both North Dakota & Denver in their last 4 games and ranked #12 in the latest poll) in the Holiday Tournament. A win there would help.

From January 15th on .. it is all Hockey East.
 
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Question: Why the black uniforms against Dartmouth? Both teams have green and white uniforms? When did UVM last where the black at home? or ever?

Nice to see the boys having turned it around a bit.. but beating St Lawrence & Dartmouth don’t mean much. Certainly hope we get to face Minnesota-Duluth (who split with both North Dakota & Denver in their last 4 games and ranked #12 in the latest poll) in the Holiday Tournament. A win there would help.

From January 15th on .. it is all Hockey East.

Not sure what the deal with the 3rd Jersey is. They have worn them before but I have not noticed any rhyme or reason for it.

The Cats should be facing UMD, I think Mercyhurst beating UMD is a long shot. A win would be a boost. The other nice boost would be DC beating UML in that holiday tourney. It would also help UVM in the PWR, and it may help keep UMLGoon at bay for a while.
 
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Glad to see some posts about UVM hockey from jcarter and Martin St. Louis Fan as opposed to boring banter back and forth.

I agree with Jcarter on the power play.

I think this could bare fruit

When did UVM last where the black at home?
jcarter, you have ANOTHER alias?!
 
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jcarter, you have ANOTHER alias?!

I will let you in on a little secret, but lets just keep it between you and me ok? I only have one screen name, but don't tell because it is fun to watch you guys with this. Especially that dunce StiffyF with his "we will out you" and "we will get you." It cracks me the he11 up so keep it on the DL huh? Great. :D
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Ok, I will attempt to talk Vermont hockey.
Here goes:

I would like to know other fans thoughts on the new Sneddon 3 dman line on the powerplay. With all the changes he has attempted. I think this is the one thing that actually has worked.

The 3 defenseman PP unit 'has worked'? By 'worked,' you can only mean hasn't given up a shorthanded goal against because I know you don't mean goals or even dangerous chances. Only 2 things look like a PP with that unit, the clock ticks down and they seem to try to get Lawson shots. Quite unfortunately, most of his shots are from as wide, weird angle and not dangerous a spot as one can find in the offensive zone. Defenders won't even come out at him because of how not dangerous a spot he stands in. Then, a number of his blasts have missed the net on the far side and wrapped around the boards and all the way down the ice.

I wouldn't call that unit 'working,' but maybe we're just arguing semantics.

That unit is certainly a Kevin Sneddon production. After several years of miserable PP units and schemes, this is what he has come up with. No room on a PP unit for Milo or Stacey, rather 3 defensemen with seeminlgy limited offensive instincts and abilities and 2 freshmen forwards.

So, rather than being a glass-half-empty kind of guy, I'll offer my suggestion. I would replace Lawson, just a junior, on that unit with the more experienced Patrick Cullity, a senior, and I'd put Jonathan Higgins in place of David Pacan. The rest I would leave alone, except I might replace Miller at the center point with Tobias Roos just to have 2 freshmen. The rest I would leave exactly as coach Sneddon has it.

While I'm not positive that would improve that unit's success, at least I can't be accused of not suggesting constructive alternatives.
 
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The 3 defenseman PP unit 'has worked'? By 'worked,' you can only mean hasn't given up a shorthanded goal against because I know you don't mean goals or even dangerous chances. Only 2 things look like a PP with that unit, the clock ticks down and they seem to try to get Lawson shots. Quite unfortunately, most of his shots are from as wide, weird angle and not dangerous a spot as one can find in the offensive zone. Defenders won't even come out at him because of how not dangerous a spot he stands in. Then, a number of his blasts have missed the net on the far side and wrapped around the boards and all the way down the ice.

I wouldn't call that unit 'working,' but maybe we're just arguing semantics.

That unit is certainly a Kevin Sneddon production. After several years of miserable PP units and schemes, this is what he has come up with. No room on a PP unit for Milo or Stacey, rather 3 defensemen with seeminlgy limited offensive instincts and abilities and 2 freshmen forwards.

So, rather than being a glass-half-empty kind of guy, I'll offer my suggestion. I would replace Lawson, just a junior, on that unit with the more experienced Patrick Cullity, a senior, and I'd put Jonathan Higgins in place of David Pacan. The rest I would leave alone, except I might replace Miller at the center point with Tobias Roos just to have 2 freshmen. The rest I would leave exactly as coach Sneddon has it.

While I'm not positive that would improve that unit's success, at least I can't be accused of not suggesting constructive alternatives.

Well, since the start of Dec., your PP has gone from 9.2% to 15.9%, so just looking at the numbers, I would have to say it's at least worked better than what you were doing before. Sure, 15.9% is still pretty bad, but it's much better than being under 10%.
 
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Well, since the start of Dec., your PP has gone from 9.2% to 15.9%, so just looking at the numbers, I would have to say it's at least worked better than what you were doing before. Sure, 15.9% is still pretty bad, but it's much better than being under 10%.

Grant, I have to agree with The Feds on this one. 8 of Vermont's last 11 goals over the last 3 games (UNH, DC, SLU) were power play goals. Compared to the previous games this is a huge improvement.
 
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Grant, I have to agree with The Feds on this one. 8 of Vermont's last 11 goals over the last 3 games (UNH, DC, SLU) were power play goals. Compared to the previous games this is a huge improvement.

That's really misleading though. Against SLU, neither PP goal was actually set up by the PP. They were more broken play transition style goals that we see 5 on 5 all the time. Against DC, the first PP goal was a nice shot from Irwin from the point, the second was again kind of a broken play goal.

I don't think the power play can effectively be judged based on %.

When they start consistently get an actual formation set up and shots on goal, regardless of % scoring I will consider it to be effective. As is while they are scoring they certainly are not getting things set up and wearing down the opponent, which is kind of a PP benefit as well as.
 
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I have to agree with Feds, too.

That the 3 D- 2 freshmen unit has gotten none of those PPGs does make me, a very open-minded, free-thinking person, reconsider my thoughts.

I agree with Feds and GreenCat and Martin St. Louis that the 3 D - 2 freshmen PP unit is working.

Sorry.
 
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Ahahahahahahha.

definitely him.. jcarter only replies to his own alias' now, other than his occasional reply to cat lover - rebuking him for something or other.

now that the UVM fanbase has outcasted him; he is creating his own fanbase comprised entirely of his multiple personalities. awesome.
 
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Grant, I have to agree with The Feds on this one. 8 of Vermont's last 11 goals over the last 3 games (UNH, DC, SLU) were power play goals. Compared to the previous games this is a huge improvement.

GreenCat, I am willing to confirm the asertions of NickP and many, many others that I am an idiot. As such, I accepted your objective statistical rebuttal and quickly caved on my deeply held position on the PP. Then, blessed with 5 fingers on each of my 2 hands, I counted the number of PPGs UVM has scored in the UNH, SLU, and DC games and came up with 6. But 8 made your point a little better, so let's go with 8.

The PP is working.
 
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