2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

[UMLGoon]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Hey, remember when you predicted that lowell would go undefeated? It's in my signature if you forgot.

yes but i think that's because you don't understand sarcasm

 

[SteveF]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

???? Show me or shut up. You have this real knack for making stuff. Its really easy to "win" arguments that way I guess but I am really starting to question your grip on reality.....

i already did.

The facts are Yale was ranked higher last year then BC and currently are ranked higher then BC in the USCHO poll, the USA today poll, and the INCH power rankings.

What does the USAToday poll and the INCH powerrankings tell you??

amongst the broken english, you are clearly repeatedly going to the inch power rankings well to prove your point about which teams were better. now that those rankings dont suit you anymore, you have switched to pwr. which is also meaningless until the end of the season. (in between, i believe we had a brief stop at 'zomg strength of schedule' too)

 

[grantfan]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

I'm glad coach Sneddon has the team winning games, but somehow the wins leave me feeling like I ate cotton candy. A team that gives up goals in the last minute of TWO consecutive periods to allow a not terrific Dartmouth team they are dominating to be tied after 2 periods is not on course to win anything meaningful.

At the semester break:

Brayden Irwin - 6 goals in 16 games, 14 points, +10. Why does it not feel like he impacts games? Is it me or does he seem to literally fall down a lot, often when he has a chance to make plays? I cannot think of how he gets assists, he shoots, he does not pass. I'm beginning to wonder if he will truly be a serious Hobey Baker candidate.

Brian Roloff - First line center, a ton of icetime, 11 points in 16 games, -1. How and why is he a minus-player? How does coach Sneddon turn 1st line centers into non-point-getters? It's not the PP time, is it all the PK time? Why does Roloff have the same chance of scoring a shorthanded goal as fellow PKers Jonathan Higgins (1g-0a in 13 games) and Jay Anctil (0g-0a), none? I love the effort, but Reese Wisnowski tried real hard, too.

Justin Milo - 10 points in 10 games, +6. What am I missing? What's the problem here? Sneddon doesn't seem able to find a place for this guy.
After saying he is the 1 kid on the team who can settle down the PP, he's not on either PP unit? I think I see him make a number of really good passes and I could've sworn it was Milo that blocked 2 shots at the end of the DC game. If Sneddon can't find a spot for this kid, at least stop talking about him.

Colin Vock - 3 goals, 10 points in 16 games. When he's good, he's terrific, a fantastic passer, not a shooter or scorer. What happens when he's not great? Another PK guy who doesn't make the Cats dangerous shorthanded.

Wahs Stacey - 4 goals, 4 assists. +5. Only 12 games. I'm confused about Milo; I give up on this guy! Why is he not in the lineup ALL the time? Why is he not on a PP unit? Are there really 4 defenseman more offensively skilled and talented than Wahs for the PP? Wahs cannot play over Anctil or Higgins or Roos or...

Matt Marshall - 1 goal, 1 assists, -4 in 16 games. What is this? This is a player that cannot be out of the lineup?

Has anyone seen or heard from Chris Atkinson?

Can anyone remind me why we thought the veteran defensive unit would produce more offense than it is? By a lot? Dan Lawson, who is either out of the lineup or on the PP (0g-0a and a healthy -9), PP guy Drew MacKenzie (0g-5a, -4), Josh Burrows (5 points in 15 games), PP guys Kyle Medvec and Kevan Miller (6 points each). Was I the only person thinking the team would get offense from the blueline? Please remind me what I was thinking.

I do not understand what the coach is doing with this team that I thought, and still hope, could be very, very good.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

i already did.

amongst the broken english, you are clearly repeatedly going to the inch power rankings well to prove your point about which teams were better. now that those rankings dont suit you anymore, you have switched to pwr. which is also meaningless until the end of the season. (in between, i believe we had a brief stop at 'zomg strength of schedule' too)

And in response to you I stated that neither mean anything until the end of the year. Further, In neither of those posts did I say one was better then the other, or that any of them meant anything at this point in the season, actually stating the opposite. You just ignore those posts that don't fit into your arguments. Could you be anymore thick, we have been around this about 4 times now and you can't seem to let go or you ***umptions and actually read a post for what it says. I could draw you diagrams but I am sure you would ignore those as well.

Further the argument isn't even relevent to you which puts this more along the lines of harassment. Or, are you trying to kiss up to UMLGoon along with NickyP and SuperJo

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

If JCarter is such an idiot why do you waste so much time arguing with him on the UVM season thread trying to prove your points to an idiot?????????????????????????

Jcarter is smarter than he's given credit for and he's smarter than the average UVM fan. That being said he's still an absolute idiot.

Now, I don't typically like to argue with UVM fans as it seems pointless as you can see from the others. What I do like to do is come around from time to time and educate you about how the REAL college hockey powerhouses do things and remind you fine maple syrup lovers of where UVM belongs in the college hockey landscape. Which is at the kiddie table. I think we all know it but it's nice to come over and remind you of that once in a while (also see Elephant Walk) while everyone in Vermont is in the midst of euphoria over beating teams like Yale that otherwise would only be brought on by dropping LSD at a phish concert.

Oh and one last thing. Merry Christmas to all of you.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Colin Vock - 3 goals, 10 points in 16 games. When he's good, he's terrific, a fantastic passer, not a shooter or scorer. What happens when he's not great? Another PK guy who doesn't make the Cats dangerous shorthanded.

Wahs Stacey - 4 goals, 4 assists. +5. Only 12 games. I'm confused about Milo; I give up on this guy! Why is he not in the lineup ALL the time? Why is he not on a PP unit? Are there really 4 defenseman more offensively skilled and talented than Wahs for the PP? Wahs cannot play over Anctil or Higgins or Roos or...



Can anyone remind me why we thought the veteran defensive unit would produce more offense than it is? By a lot? Dan Lawson, who is either out of the lineup or on the PP (0g-0a and a healthy -9), PP guy Drew MacKenzie (0g-5a, -4), Josh Burrows (5 points in 15 games), PP guys Kyle Medvec and Kevan Miller (6 points each). Was I the only person thinking the team would get offense from the blueline? Please remind me what I was thinking.

Grantfan, I disagree on several things but I will address a few. While Vock's numbers may not show it, Colin is a great shooter and scorer. He most certainly is a threat on the PK to score a short handed goal.

Wahs, has played 12 of 16 games , you may remember he missed at least two due to illness, I think there is only a single game he can not be accounted for and my guess is it was Wahs that kept himself out of the line up.

As for the defense, Lawson has been a disappointment and the rest of them have spent so much time in the penalty box its a wonder they have as many points as they do. Yes, they should be scoring more and Medvec has recently. The early stretch of games though they were in a pretty good rotation into the PB.

 

[grantfan]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Please pardon the interruption of this compelling dialogue.

 

[joegrav]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

It's amazing how quickly you guys respond to one another now. Now the question is why can't these "two" guys ever post without responding to one another?

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

the fact that UVM has already played BC and took 2 out of three.

They should have taken 3 of 3. **** BC replay system!!!!!

 

[joegrav]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Jcarter, please spin this sequence of posts in some way other than you putting stock into human polls and INCH power rankings, while downplaying PWR... just a week or so before ragging on UML for being lower in the PWR. I'm looking forward to hearing your spin.

Last time I looked Yale was ranked higher then BC and UML, just like they were at the end of last year. So if they stink what that say about your team?

BC is #4 in the pairwise while Ole' Eli Yale chugs in at an impressive 18th place. What the current UselesSCHO poll tells me is that the pollsters are dumb. But we already knew that.

What does the USAToday poll and the INCH powerrankings tell you??

I can personally write my own power rankings. Once they're on the screen, they'll matter just as much as the INCH Power Rankings.

Actually the won't matter as much as rankings and polls from multiple people with some hockey knowledge...

The facts are Yale was ranked higher last year then BC and currently are ranked higher then BC in the USCHO poll, the USA today poll, and the INCH power rankings. The other fact of note is UVM beat Yale and BC twice.

Those PWR sure are accurate???? That has to be one of the dumbest comments you have made.

 

[grantfan]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Grantfan, I disagree on several things but I will address a few. While Vock's numbers may not show it, Colin is a great shooter and scorer. He most certainly is a threat on the PK to score a short handed goal.

I see your point about Vock being a great shooter and scorer and threat to score shorthanded goals.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

It's amazing how quickly you guys respond to one another now. Now the question is why can't these "two" guys ever post without responding to one another?

Its a big conspiracy, next I will start posting on the BC thread as Dick Papagiorgio as soon as the wait period is up.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

Jcarter, please spin this sequence of posts in some way other than you putting stock into human polls and INCH power rankings, while downplaying PWR... just a week or so before ragging on UML for being lower in the PWR. I'm looking forward to hearing your spin.

OK Joe, please try and follow along. I am really only going to go through this one more time.

BC fans in general : Disparage UVM for beating Yale

Cat lover : Since Yale is ranked higher than BC and BC fans' say Yale sucks then BC must suck also ( please note these are my interpretations and in no way should be taken as fact as to what the original author intended).

You : The USCHO pollsters are dumb

Me : DOes that mean that the USA today and Inch pollersters are also dumb? ( see you picked one out of a bunch, do you think all pollsters are dumb or just the USCHO pollsters)

You : My opinion matters just as much as anyone else

Me: No it doesn't, a group of individuals from three seperate organizations that come to similar conclusions lends a bit more credibility then some twit on a hockey message board flapping his lips in the wind.

Statement of Fact ( you will not it is just that) Yale was ranked higher last year than BC and at the time of the post was also ranked higher then BC in the three ranking systems mentioned. ( Please Note : the PWR were left out as obviously the statement does not hold true if they are included. )


Me : The PWR are not really that accurate when there is so much hockey to be played and to insinuate at the beginning of Dec that they are is stupid. ( You will not I do not say they are better or worse or anything else compared to polls. )



FYI Joesph, I think polls are inaccurate as they are so heavily biased by expectations, Ex. It took BU for ever to fall out of the rankings. I also believe the PWR are pretty poor estimations while there are so many OOC games. Once the holiday tourneys have passed and the OOC is largely wrapped up they will be a bit better indicator of where things stand. JMO

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

. just a week or so before ragging on UML for being lower in the PWR. I'm looking forward to hearing your spin.

What is this sthick with BC fans and UML fans all of a sudden becoming best friends? Part of the issue is the BC fans for the most part have missed a lot of the argument, and are coming in spouting off all ignorant. Try and control yourselves huh?

 

[UMLGoon]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

What is this sthick with BC fans and UML fans all of a sudden becoming best friends? Part of the issue is the BC fans for the most part have missed a lot of the argument, and are coming in spouting off all ignorant. Try and control yourselves huh?

we're united in disbelief at how mindbogglingly stupid you are

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

we're united in disbelief at how mindbogglingly stupid you are

This from the guy that thinks Barry Melrose is a hockey expert? And, that Lowell ( which is having difficulty beating EZAC clubs ) has a shot.....

 

[UMLGoon]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

This from the guy that thinks Barry Melrose is a hockey expert? And, that Lowell ( which is having difficulty beating EZAC clubs ) has a shot.....

again the use of the term "noted hockey expert" indicates that i do not feel he is a noted hockey expert.

sarcasm: it's a thing that exists.

oh and by the way, you now owe me an apology for both overrating the offense and defense.

 

[joegrav]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

You miss some important steps there numbnuts.

You : The USCHO pollsters are dumb

You missed the operative part of that post, which is "BC is ahead in the PWR, which is all that matters"

You : My opinion matters just as much as anyone else

Look, I didn't say, "my personal opinion has as much credibility as the polls." What I said was, the way I personally choose to rank teams means just as much as the polls do - which is to say, nothing at all. Because the polls have zero impact on the NCAA field or seedings.

Statement of Fact ( you will not it is just that) Yale was ranked higher last year than BC and at the time of the post was also ranked higher then BC in the three ranking systems mentioned. ( Please Note : the PWR were left out as obviously the statement does not hold true if they are included. )

The PWR were not left out. I brought in the PWR for discussion. Then you said that the PWR doesn't matter right now, but backed up your boy Catlover's assertion that Yale is a superpower because they were ranked ahead of BC. Therefore, the polls "mattered," to you, while PWR did not.

Me : The PWR are not really that accurate when there is so much hockey to be played and to insinuate at the beginning of Dec that they are is stupid.

This is a reasonable statement, but you undermine your own credibility a few pages later by using PWR as a way to rag on Lowell.

FYI Joesph, I think polls are inaccurate as they are so heavily biased by expectations, Ex. It took BU for ever to fall out of the rankings.

Agreed, that's why I don't even look at the polls, I focus on the RPI and PWR - if BC's moving in the right direction, I'm happy. I read the INCH power rankings because the little boxes provide analysis on many teams and games I don't get a chance to see.

And as for being "buddies" with the UML fans, I'll mainly agree with UMLGoon - it's joint astonishment at some of the garbage that gets posted here. But for me personally, I like Lowell. I like pretty much every Hockey East team except for one (BU).

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

And what in my post gives you the idea that I do?

You responded.

You : The USCHO pollsters are dumb

Me : DOes that mean that the USA today and Inch pollersters are also dumb?

You : My opinion matters just as much as anyone else

What is a pollerster?

And Joe's exact words were:

I can personally write my own power rankings. Once they're on the screen, they'll matter just as much as the INCH Power Rankings.

It's pretty clear to anyone with a non-UVM degree that his tongue-in-cheek response meant "Yes, I think that pollsters tend to make poor rankings."

FYI Joesph, I think polls are inaccurate

So why did you take so much stock in them if you think the polls are inaccurate? That's like editing a wikipedia page and then using it as a source.

I also believe the PWR are pretty poor estimations while there are so many OOC games.

Well, seeing as how the PWR pretty closely mirrors RPI, it looks like the PWR is making a pretty accurate estimation thus far, despite it's small amount of data, relative to what it would have at the end of the year.

 

[SteveF]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread

And in response to you I stated that neither mean anything until the end of the year.

do you normally discredit your own arguments? or did you first start after the rest of us were doing it so well?

btw, i do like how you have responded to the grantfan-gate by replying to everyone of his posts. from 0% to 100%, you sure showed us! we outed rogie/alex, and we'll get you too. you will slip up and we will be there. i recommend just ending it now.