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2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
I'll stick with my assessment that they are offensively challenged thus far this season. IF the PP were even average they would be fine, but it's horrible. To the point where I don't even like to see them get PP opportunities.
On the flip side, the D would be much better if the PK were not so horrible.
Agree that they need Stacey playing. When they lose a top nine forward it shows, the depth is not quite what I had hoped. Need Marshall, Stalberg and Roos to step it up.
Weird to have a Monday night game in a regular work week, but better than no game. Hopefully the Cats play well and gain some momentum.
Yale will be looking for payback and are certainly the better team thus far this year.
I'll stick with my assessment that they are offensively challenged thus far this season. IF the PP were even average they would be fine, but it's horrible. To the point where I don't even like to see them get PP opportunities.
On the flip side, the D would be much better if the PK were not so horrible.
Agree that they need Stacey playing. When they lose a top nine forward it shows, the depth is not quite what I had hoped. Need Marshall, Stalberg and Roos to step it up.
Weird to have a Monday night game in a regular work week, but better than no game. Hopefully the Cats play well and gain some momentum.
Yale will be looking for payback and are certainly the better team thus far this year.
TonyTheTiger20
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Hey, he made a good post, and I thought it merited a good reply!
jcarter7669
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Well, ummm, I appreciate the errr compliment?? I guess.....
Hey, he made a good post, and I thought it merited a good reply!
Well, ummm, I appreciate the errr compliment?? I guess.....
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Two in row......wahooo. Considering our play as of late I thought Yale would take this one. Did not hear or see the game but based on the score it looks like the D stepped it up notch. Looking forward to comments on those who saw/heard the game.
I see we also hung on to the top 20 by the skin of our teeth. This win should help us stay there.
Two in row......wahooo. Considering our play as of late I thought Yale would take this one. Did not hear or see the game but based on the score it looks like the D stepped it up notch. Looking forward to comments on those who saw/heard the game.
I see we also hung on to the top 20 by the skin of our teeth. This win should help us stay there.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Great game.
Cats started slow in the first period. difficulty clearing the D zone, too many D zone and neutral zone turnovers, not much offense. Yale had the better of the first period overall but it got more even as the period wore on. Yale did not have a lot of stellar chances except one shorthanded bid when Irwin turned the puck over right in front of Spillane and Spillane made a couple of phenominal saves. Otherwise Yale had a lot of puck possession but UVM kept them to the outside
The second period was totally different. The Cats were on the offense and had numerous STELLAR chances. Many shifts of hemming Yale in. Pacan scored, Marshall was all alone and hit the crossbar. Very good period for UVM until they went down 2 guys with 40 seconds left. Killed that off nicely.
3rd started with Yale on 61 second two man but UVM kept them to the outside with no dangerous opportunities. good period from there on out, with UVM keeping Yale to minimal good chances and UVM nearly capitalizing on several odd man rushes.
Great lock down D game overall. Yale came in tops in scoring after scoring 21 goals in their last three games. UVM was physical in the corners and used their size to their advantage against a somewhat undersized Yale team.
Pacan looked good again. He's showing shades of V. Stalberg as a freshman. McCarthy, Milo, and Roloff looked good with nothing to show for it. Marshall had some strong shifts. UVM had a number of excellent shorthanded bids and the PK was good in the zone. The 4th line looked solid, better than vs. NU on Friday. Need to capitalize though.
Medvec had another solid game, as did the entire D corps.
Spillane was good, obviously.
This shows that the Cats have the ability to get the job done if they play within themselves shift to shift.
Should be a good game vs. UNH on Sunday. Hopefully the cats can squeak out a point at BU on Friday.
Great game.
Cats started slow in the first period. difficulty clearing the D zone, too many D zone and neutral zone turnovers, not much offense. Yale had the better of the first period overall but it got more even as the period wore on. Yale did not have a lot of stellar chances except one shorthanded bid when Irwin turned the puck over right in front of Spillane and Spillane made a couple of phenominal saves. Otherwise Yale had a lot of puck possession but UVM kept them to the outside
The second period was totally different. The Cats were on the offense and had numerous STELLAR chances. Many shifts of hemming Yale in. Pacan scored, Marshall was all alone and hit the crossbar. Very good period for UVM until they went down 2 guys with 40 seconds left. Killed that off nicely.
3rd started with Yale on 61 second two man but UVM kept them to the outside with no dangerous opportunities. good period from there on out, with UVM keeping Yale to minimal good chances and UVM nearly capitalizing on several odd man rushes.
Great lock down D game overall. Yale came in tops in scoring after scoring 21 goals in their last three games. UVM was physical in the corners and used their size to their advantage against a somewhat undersized Yale team.
Pacan looked good again. He's showing shades of V. Stalberg as a freshman. McCarthy, Milo, and Roloff looked good with nothing to show for it. Marshall had some strong shifts. UVM had a number of excellent shorthanded bids and the PK was good in the zone. The 4th line looked solid, better than vs. NU on Friday. Need to capitalize though.
Medvec had another solid game, as did the entire D corps.
Spillane was good, obviously.
This shows that the Cats have the ability to get the job done if they play within themselves shift to shift.
Should be a good game vs. UNH on Sunday. Hopefully the cats can squeak out a point at BU on Friday.
adidasjerry
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Hopefully? I have seen BU play live and on T.V. a couple of times this season and based on what I have seen (and heard from BU fans) I will be disappointed if we do not pull off the win. However, for some reason the name BU still scares me a little bit.
As for the game on Monday. Great D effort. UVM completely neutralized Yale's speed. They had trouble getting anything going or establishing puck control throughout most of the game (except on the PP). A few great saves by Spillane but he did shell out a few juicy rebounds which the D slapped away or into the corner immediately. That was nice to see the D finally stepping up. Also, I am loving Leonard. Just watching him on the ice you can tell he is always working hard. Reminds me a bit of Lenes, without the scoring ability... yet.
Hopefully? I have seen BU play live and on T.V. a couple of times this season and based on what I have seen (and heard from BU fans) I will be disappointed if we do not pull off the win. However, for some reason the name BU still scares me a little bit.
As for the game on Monday. Great D effort. UVM completely neutralized Yale's speed. They had trouble getting anything going or establishing puck control throughout most of the game (except on the PP). A few great saves by Spillane but he did shell out a few juicy rebounds which the D slapped away or into the corner immediately. That was nice to see the D finally stepping up. Also, I am loving Leonard. Just watching him on the ice you can tell he is always working hard. Reminds me a bit of Lenes, without the scoring ability... yet.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
A miserable game turned into a very good win for Vermont last night. I credit the boys.
I am less and less a fan of Sneddon's the more I pay attention to him. I think he is a borderline awful coach during games, though you have to watch closely to appreciate how awful and his impact.
We saw lots and lots of Marcou and Wellman against UMass and we saw lots and lots of Arcobello and Little and Backman against Yale, yet we see lots and lots of Higgins and Anctil and Leonard for Vermont. It's nice to let all the youngsters get a chance play, and those players have played very well, but teams win at this level with their top players playing a lot and that seems to be the philosophy of only the visiting coaches at Gutterson and only the home coaches at Vermont's away games. Sneddon doesn't like referring to a 'fourth line,' even though there's NO SHAME in serving your team in that role, but seeing what I would confuse with a fourth line on the ice against Backman and Arcobella in the second period of a 0-0 game did not strike me as a winning formula. Just because players have difficulty scoring doesn't mean they're defensive wizards. I fully respect those players and they are playing to their abilities and certainly are not among the team's problems, but if Sneddon relies too heavily on them, Vermont will have to win a lot of games 0-0. Somebody really does have to score in order to win. Scoring is a role, too.
Clearly, the penalty kill and goaltending won last night's game, and credit goes to the players.
It appears, though, that the powerplay is something Sneddon is hell bent on ruining. To see the line I confuse with a fourth line come on the ice for the last 30 seconds of a powerplay in the second period of a 0-0 game could only be a coach's petulant, impatient, emotional overreaction and an insult to the PP players. Sneddon's philosophy seems to be, 'don't use hurtful words like "fourth line," but it's OK to humiliate players with your actions.' Before crucifying the players, Sneddon should figure out if A) the coaches have recruited no players capable of manning a competent PP, for no less than 3 years now, or B) the coaches are incapable of putting together a competent PP, for no less than 3 years now, or C) the coaches are incapable of devising a PP strategy that can be effective, for no less than 3 years now. Those seem to be the only possible explanations. Sneddon's impatience with and willingness to humiliate the powerplay players is not impressive. And it ain't helping.
Snowboarder and others can defend Sneddon, but what is he doing to get this team to play winning hockey? Did you like the effort in that first period last night? And how bad can a powerplay be, and for how long, before the coach is realized to be sort of incompetent at it. A large part of the blame, it's starting to seem to me, is Sneddon's for his quick, emotional willingness to call out and humiliate the players on the PP. It ain't, quite apparently, helping. And if you listen to Sneddon, the solution may just be playing what can be confused for a fourth line as a powerplay unit.
Beating Yale was a good win, as was the win at Denver. And if the goaltending is going to be good and great again, that is a good sign. But there aren't a lot of other great things building right now. The defense continues to make huge mistakes up and down the ice; last night's game could just as easily have been a bad loss if not for Mike Spillane. The powerplay is occasionally dangerous, but not scoring. The penalty kill had a good game, but UMass was only two games ago.
The team has a long way to go before they look like they can do what they did last season. Sneddon has to start helping instead of hurting.
A miserable game turned into a very good win for Vermont last night. I credit the boys.
I am less and less a fan of Sneddon's the more I pay attention to him. I think he is a borderline awful coach during games, though you have to watch closely to appreciate how awful and his impact.
We saw lots and lots of Marcou and Wellman against UMass and we saw lots and lots of Arcobello and Little and Backman against Yale, yet we see lots and lots of Higgins and Anctil and Leonard for Vermont. It's nice to let all the youngsters get a chance play, and those players have played very well, but teams win at this level with their top players playing a lot and that seems to be the philosophy of only the visiting coaches at Gutterson and only the home coaches at Vermont's away games. Sneddon doesn't like referring to a 'fourth line,' even though there's NO SHAME in serving your team in that role, but seeing what I would confuse with a fourth line on the ice against Backman and Arcobella in the second period of a 0-0 game did not strike me as a winning formula. Just because players have difficulty scoring doesn't mean they're defensive wizards. I fully respect those players and they are playing to their abilities and certainly are not among the team's problems, but if Sneddon relies too heavily on them, Vermont will have to win a lot of games 0-0. Somebody really does have to score in order to win. Scoring is a role, too.
Clearly, the penalty kill and goaltending won last night's game, and credit goes to the players.
It appears, though, that the powerplay is something Sneddon is hell bent on ruining. To see the line I confuse with a fourth line come on the ice for the last 30 seconds of a powerplay in the second period of a 0-0 game could only be a coach's petulant, impatient, emotional overreaction and an insult to the PP players. Sneddon's philosophy seems to be, 'don't use hurtful words like "fourth line," but it's OK to humiliate players with your actions.' Before crucifying the players, Sneddon should figure out if A) the coaches have recruited no players capable of manning a competent PP, for no less than 3 years now, or B) the coaches are incapable of putting together a competent PP, for no less than 3 years now, or C) the coaches are incapable of devising a PP strategy that can be effective, for no less than 3 years now. Those seem to be the only possible explanations. Sneddon's impatience with and willingness to humiliate the powerplay players is not impressive. And it ain't helping.
Snowboarder and others can defend Sneddon, but what is he doing to get this team to play winning hockey? Did you like the effort in that first period last night? And how bad can a powerplay be, and for how long, before the coach is realized to be sort of incompetent at it. A large part of the blame, it's starting to seem to me, is Sneddon's for his quick, emotional willingness to call out and humiliate the players on the PP. It ain't, quite apparently, helping. And if you listen to Sneddon, the solution may just be playing what can be confused for a fourth line as a powerplay unit.
Beating Yale was a good win, as was the win at Denver. And if the goaltending is going to be good and great again, that is a good sign. But there aren't a lot of other great things building right now. The defense continues to make huge mistakes up and down the ice; last night's game could just as easily have been a bad loss if not for Mike Spillane. The powerplay is occasionally dangerous, but not scoring. The penalty kill had a good game, but UMass was only two games ago.
The team has a long way to go before they look like they can do what they did last season. Sneddon has to start helping instead of hurting.
Martin St. Louis Fan
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
I guess I will step in and defend Sneddon. I'm sure there is a ton of stuff going on behind the scenes that none of us know about. Given his track record, I am not gonna throw him under the bus. He has earned the benefit of the doubt.
I guess I will step in and defend Sneddon. I'm sure there is a ton of stuff going on behind the scenes that none of us know about. Given his track record, I am not gonna throw him under the bus. He has earned the benefit of the doubt.
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I do not disagree with you MSL. I'm starting to see what I think I see and do not know what is behind the scenes. I just don't see players improve and I don't see the team improve. Success always seems to me to be because of the players. The things that break down - defense, powerplay, penalty kill - are the responsibilities of the coaches.
Sneddon definitely the benefit of the doubt, but the benefot if the doubt doesn't mean beyond reproach.
I do not disagree with you MSL. I'm starting to see what I think I see and do not know what is behind the scenes. I just don't see players improve and I don't see the team improve. Success always seems to me to be because of the players. The things that break down - defense, powerplay, penalty kill - are the responsibilities of the coaches.
Sneddon definitely the benefit of the doubt, but the benefot if the doubt doesn't mean beyond reproach.
Martin St. Louis Fan
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
I agree it is an odd situation. When the coach thinks his talented players are not giving 100%, he is of the mindset to motivate them no matter what the cost.
Hoping it will all come together down the stretch. I always bring up the fact that he has even benched himself after he criticized the refs to prove that no one is going to be safe from being held accountable.
I think that injuries also have played his hand a bit. He has balanced the lines hoping to close any weakness that could be exploited.
Considering how inconstant they have been at times, I still think they are in good position to do good things this year.
I agree it is an odd situation. When the coach thinks his talented players are not giving 100%, he is of the mindset to motivate them no matter what the cost.
Hoping it will all come together down the stretch. I always bring up the fact that he has even benched himself after he criticized the refs to prove that no one is going to be safe from being held accountable.
I think that injuries also have played his hand a bit. He has balanced the lines hoping to close any weakness that could be exploited.
Considering how inconstant they have been at times, I still think they are in good position to do good things this year.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Grantfan - I disagree. Look at the record for UVM year over year. Last year, he took the team to the frozen four.
I will grant you that at the beginning of each year, there is a lot to learn about the players and combination, and i would assume that is what you might be referring to.
I think that Sneddon being comfortable with 4 lines and 3 sets of D is a very good thing over time.
Grantfan - I disagree. Look at the record for UVM year over year. Last year, he took the team to the frozen four.
I will grant you that at the beginning of each year, there is a lot to learn about the players and combination, and i would assume that is what you might be referring to.
I think that Sneddon being comfortable with 4 lines and 3 sets of D is a very good thing over time.
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Interesting thoughts on Sneddon, although it is a bit short sighted. you have to look at the whole body of work. many on here have said they love Leonard. I give coach a ton of credit for giving him a chance and showing his team that players who work hard and put the team first will get a chance. At how many other programs would a kid who hasn't played for 2 years get a chance? Also injuries play a part as does execution. Coach can draw it up 1000 times over but if players miss a pass or fail to make a pass on the tape or shoot wide or right at the goalie I don't think this can be blames on the coaches. The team has had its up and downs and the coaches have sent a message to the players that this is unacceptable. They have brought in Pacan, McCarthy, Stalburg, Roos and Franzon who are all contributing this year and there classes for 10 and 11 look great. I don't know if there is any pleasing you. Sorry that being in the top half of the toughest conference in the country, a Frozen 4 trip and the ability to beat any team in the country is not enough for you. Hopefully soon they cn have a PP clicking at over 50% and a PK running a 98% and go undefeated so that you can only complain that the PP doesn't score everytime their on the ice.
Interesting thoughts on Sneddon, although it is a bit short sighted. you have to look at the whole body of work. many on here have said they love Leonard. I give coach a ton of credit for giving him a chance and showing his team that players who work hard and put the team first will get a chance. At how many other programs would a kid who hasn't played for 2 years get a chance? Also injuries play a part as does execution. Coach can draw it up 1000 times over but if players miss a pass or fail to make a pass on the tape or shoot wide or right at the goalie I don't think this can be blames on the coaches. The team has had its up and downs and the coaches have sent a message to the players that this is unacceptable. They have brought in Pacan, McCarthy, Stalburg, Roos and Franzon who are all contributing this year and there classes for 10 and 11 look great. I don't know if there is any pleasing you. Sorry that being in the top half of the toughest conference in the country, a Frozen 4 trip and the ability to beat any team in the country is not enough for you. Hopefully soon they cn have a PP clicking at over 50% and a PK running a 98% and go undefeated so that you can only complain that the PP doesn't score everytime their on the ice.
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Overall, Sneddon is a good hockey coach, he has done a lot for the Vermont program. While I think you are over-reacting, grantfan, I will agree with you on one point, Sneddon has not been a good coach on the power play unit. I think he should turn the reins over to an assistant on the power play. Whatever Sneddon is doing is not working.
As for calling out his players, I would cut him some slack on that one. In the past when the Cats have hit a rough patch, he has done this and the players generally have responded with better play.
Overall, Sneddon is a good hockey coach, he has done a lot for the Vermont program. While I think you are over-reacting, grantfan, I will agree with you on one point, Sneddon has not been a good coach on the power play unit. I think he should turn the reins over to an assistant on the power play. Whatever Sneddon is doing is not working.
As for calling out his players, I would cut him some slack on that one. In the past when the Cats have hit a rough patch, he has done this and the players generally have responded with better play.
Martin St. Louis Fan
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Personally I feel the loss of Stacey has put a wrench in the PP. We all know Sneddon loves to put 5 forwards out there, but when his horse's are not producing, you have to noodle with it til it works. Thus far he has not found the right system. Let hope they find some success , so they have something to build on.
I would love to see some of the big bodies in front of the net. You cant stop what you cant see.
Personally I feel the loss of Stacey has put a wrench in the PP. We all know Sneddon loves to put 5 forwards out there, but when his horse's are not producing, you have to noodle with it til it works. Thus far he has not found the right system. Let hope they find some success , so they have something to build on.
I would love to see some of the big bodies in front of the net. You cant stop what you cant see.
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observer85
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Agreed. I have never understood why when you have 1) big guys, 2) guys with skill, 3) guys with hands, 4) guys with some hockey sense...you don't use them to block the goalie's vision.
Irwin and Downing are forwards with size and skill. They seem to be lined up more to the side of the goalie, looking for that elusive backdoor pass. Seems like they miss those more than they connect which makes me wonder if they have decent hands???.
Other candidates for a screening type would be defensemen Lawson, Medvec, Miller, or Cullity. These defensemen have decent hands and maybe could get lucky with a rebound. Then have MacKenzie or Burrows, both who have decent wrist shots shooting the puck on the screened goalie. What would the risk be of trying?
I would love to see some of the big bodies in front of the net. You cant stop what you cant see.
Agreed. I have never understood why when you have 1) big guys, 2) guys with skill, 3) guys with hands, 4) guys with some hockey sense...you don't use them to block the goalie's vision.
Irwin and Downing are forwards with size and skill. They seem to be lined up more to the side of the goalie, looking for that elusive backdoor pass. Seems like they miss those more than they connect which makes me wonder if they have decent hands???.
Other candidates for a screening type would be defensemen Lawson, Medvec, Miller, or Cullity. These defensemen have decent hands and maybe could get lucky with a rebound. Then have MacKenzie or Burrows, both who have decent wrist shots shooting the puck on the screened goalie. What would the risk be of trying?
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Grantfan you are way out there. Sneddon is the best thing this program has seen in decades. Look at what he has done year after year. Complain about improvement and look at stalbergs improvement last year and irwin this year.
Yeah the PP has been perennially weak but that is my only valid complaint. He is feilding a legitimate top 20 program recently and that is likely to continue and possibly improve..
Recruiting continues to improve. We have raised our expectations from low or mid ecac pack to top half HE. Ill take it
Grantfan you are way out there. Sneddon is the best thing this program has seen in decades. Look at what he has done year after year. Complain about improvement and look at stalbergs improvement last year and irwin this year.
Yeah the PP has been perennially weak but that is my only valid complaint. He is feilding a legitimate top 20 program recently and that is likely to continue and possibly improve..
Recruiting continues to improve. We have raised our expectations from low or mid ecac pack to top half HE. Ill take it
MagnessMan
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
My bro lives in Hinesburg and is a huge UVM fan. He came out for the opening weekend here. We had a blast giving it to each other over the course of the weekend. We both were at the FF in DC. I listen to UVM games on the net regularly. I think you guys are about where people thought you'd be at this point in the season. You lost your leaders and that void hasn't yet been filled this season. You have enough talent to get it done--and the first half is like a different season compared to the second so anythings possible.
I think Snedden knows the game well. I see his decision to play the freshmen from the get go as a smart move long term. The first half of the year for talented F's are nothing but training for the real season.
My bro lives in Hinesburg and is a huge UVM fan. He came out for the opening weekend here. We had a blast giving it to each other over the course of the weekend. We both were at the FF in DC. I listen to UVM games on the net regularly. I think you guys are about where people thought you'd be at this point in the season. You lost your leaders and that void hasn't yet been filled this season. You have enough talent to get it done--and the first half is like a different season compared to the second so anythings possible.
I think Snedden knows the game well. I see his decision to play the freshmen from the get go as a smart move long term. The first half of the year for talented F's are nothing but training for the real season.
observer85
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
Watching UVM highlights of this game, you can't be anything but impressed with some of the saves made by Mike Spillane.
The goal by Pacan was impressive as he was crashing the net but I am more impressed with his defensive play at the :59 mark as he keeps #44 for Yale from getting to the loose puck before the whistle. He was also at the net at the :55 second mark. Shows me that he has good hockey sense and is a 2 way player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwcIzGxHA0
Watching UVM highlights of this game, you can't be anything but impressed with some of the saves made by Mike Spillane.
The goal by Pacan was impressive as he was crashing the net but I am more impressed with his defensive play at the :59 mark as he keeps #44 for Yale from getting to the loose puck before the whistle. He was also at the net at the :55 second mark. Shows me that he has good hockey sense and is a 2 way player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwcIzGxHA0
jcarter7669
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread
I have to agree that Sneddon has done a lot for this program with the power play being the one legitimate fault he has had. UVM has never had a power play unit that has really been potent. However, UVM has always been on par or better at even strength regardless of how often the fourth line is out. It's possible Sneddon had them out more due to the fact they tend to play with the most energy and he was trying to rest the top two lines for an overtime in a 0-0 game. Regardless, the team has been jekyll and hyde and that does fall to some extent on Sneddon but more so on the captains. The loss of Lenes, Strong, and Carlson is being seen in this area. Roloff, Miller, etc need to step up and start leading with words. Leading by example is great until people stop following, someone needs to get them re-motivated and as the captains are not doing, Sneddon has taken the reigns. Yes he called them out, and if a senior isn't playing well he should be called out and do a little watching from the bench. UVM has the talent, much of it at this point is a lack of effort, when they come to work they win, otherwise we get 7-1 and 6-2 shellackings.
I have to agree that Sneddon has done a lot for this program with the power play being the one legitimate fault he has had. UVM has never had a power play unit that has really been potent. However, UVM has always been on par or better at even strength regardless of how often the fourth line is out. It's possible Sneddon had them out more due to the fact they tend to play with the most energy and he was trying to rest the top two lines for an overtime in a 0-0 game. Regardless, the team has been jekyll and hyde and that does fall to some extent on Sneddon but more so on the captains. The loss of Lenes, Strong, and Carlson is being seen in this area. Roloff, Miller, etc need to step up and start leading with words. Leading by example is great until people stop following, someone needs to get them re-motivated and as the captains are not doing, Sneddon has taken the reigns. Yes he called them out, and if a senior isn't playing well he should be called out and do a little watching from the bench. UVM has the talent, much of it at this point is a lack of effort, when they come to work they win, otherwise we get 7-1 and 6-2 shellackings.
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