2 Clarkson hockey players face sex charges

[Saints17]

Re: 2 Clarkson hockey players face sex charges

More reading material about the future court date.......

http://media.www.clarksonintegrator...th.Sexual.Misconduct.With.Minor-3771091.shtml

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Now what do people say:

"Three hockey recruits were charged with having sexual misconduct with and endangering the welfare of a child. The incident allegedly took place with a 16-year-old female camp attendee with her consent at Clarkson's summer hockey camp on campus in July, as the camper was 16, she was not legally able to consent to sexual acts. According to NY state law, if a defendant is convicted on a sexual misconduct charge they must register as a sex offender, could serve up to a year in jail, and can be fined."

I will still put money on it that mommy and daddy found out and didn't like it. I also love how the school says:

"All students are treated the same in this process with no preferential treatment for any team member or group of students on campus"

I can almost guarantee this will work in reverse order. Because these students ARE athletes they will be removed from school because of a black eye, even though this happens in today’s society almost as a norm these days. Right or wrong, its reality these days unless your in the “not my little girl/boy” dream world. Like I said to start, if this doesn’t have “PuckBunnie” written all over it, I’m not sure what does.

 

[Red Cloud]

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WITH HER CONSENT?

Wait, she's 16, she can't legally give consent. Glossy.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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WITH HER CONSENT?

Wait, she's 16, she can't legally give consent. Glossy.

Yes, its the polically correct way of saying she wanted it, but mommy and daddy didnt like the fact their little girl is exploring her sexuality, but they will like the chunk of change they get and the satisfaction of ruining three kids lives.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Yes, its the polically correct way of saying she wanted it, but mommy and daddy didnt like the fact their little girl is exploring her sexuality, but they will like the chunk of change they get and the satisfaction of ruining three kids lives.

Maybe, in fact, probably. Law is still the law though.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Yes, its the polically correct way of saying she wanted it, but mommy and daddy didnt like the fact their little girl is exploring her sexuality, but they will like the chunk of change they get and the satisfaction of ruining three kids lives.

I missed the part where it was legal. Can you point it out?

 

[Patman]

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Yes, its the polically correct way of saying she wanted it, but mommy and daddy didnt like the fact their little girl is exploring her sexuality, but they will like the chunk of change they get and the satisfaction of ruining three kids lives.

you mean one kid, right? the boys did this to themselves.

edit: hell, you could argue nobody got their lives ruined by the parents. Maybe people should man up to their actions. Apparently you can be old enough to have sex but not be responsible for the actions relating to it.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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And I am sure you've never driven above 55, added a few extra dollars in your taxes, or taken that extra ear of corn in the grocery store. Apples and oranges, call it what you may, they are still only misdemeanors for a reason.

Our prisons are over crowded as is, if you want to start putting kids in prison or putting kids through trial because they played a game of spin the bottle then by all means go ahead, job security is always welcomed. I’m sure you waited till you were married too to fool around I sure hope your kids (if you have any) will be home schooled for your own sake. Write or wrong just a little FYI only 15 of the 50 US States state your must be 17 or older to consent. Yes that’s right 35 of our States allow 16 or younger to consent to sex. Canada is actually 14, while some are petitioning to make it 16. This also doesn't take into account the "parental law" that some states use allowing parents to "okay" sexual activity at a younger age then consent.
Its because of WHO they are that we even know about this. And now with this information it leads me to believe even more the girl probably lied about her age anyways. And don’t give me the “they should’ve known” or “it’s still wrong”. Are kids going to be required to have an age ID tag implanted into their skin so you can scan them like a toy at WalMart? You’re dealing with 3 teenage boys at a summer camp, heck I’ll for further and say these 4 probably weren’t the only ones playing slap and tickle. I guess some of you all still think kids sit around a campfire roasting marshmallows and sipping on their lemonade at summer camps. Welcome to reality folks.

And the sad reality is that these kids will probably lose everything and mommy and daddy will bring home the bank. All because their little angel went to summer camp. I could see if these guys were 24+ years old, but they were barely out of high school. These kids had just turned 18 within 5 months of the alleged date, with the 19 year old having his 19th birthday with in a month of the date. People are making these kids out to be the 50 and 60 year old freaks I deal with every day. Or the ones whose parents buy them an ice cream truck so they can go touch little kids.

 

[dggoddard]

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The players may only be 18 or 19, but they earned scholarships worth potentially $200,000 apiece (tax free). When someone hands you that much money, they have a right to expect that you will conduct yourself in a classy manner, become leaders on campus, ambassadors to the community and bring positive notoriety to the university.

So far these three players have not lived up to their end of the bargain.

 

[LynahFan]

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The players may only be 18 or 19, but they earned scholarships worth potentially $200,000 apiece (tax free). When someone hands you that much money, they have a right to expect that you will conduct yourself in a classy manner and become leaders on campus, ambassadors to the community and bring positive notoriety to the university.

So far these three players have not lived up to their end of the bargain.

I agree, and I will have no problem if/when Roll decides that the Clarkson hockey program is better off without them. But that's between Clarkson and the players to decide.

Where I disagree is that these boys should be labeled as sexual offenders for the rest of their lives and if there is ever a civil judgement against them. These are not dangerous perverts - they very well could be jerks, but we shouldn't be using the coercive power of the state to try to regulate behavior that is merely boorish.

 

[Red Cloud]

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And I am sure you've never driven above 55, added a few extra dollars in your taxes, or taken that extra ear of corn in the grocery store.

No to the first one and yes to the second two. But then again, if I get caught breaking the speed limit, I get pulled over and ticketed, don't I? Is it OK just because I didn't get caught? Does that make it alright?

 

[Wholin1]

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No to the first one and yes to the second two. But then again, if I get caught breaking the speed limit, I get pulled over and ticketed, don't I? Is it OK just because I didn't get caught? Does that make it alright?

Everyone once in a while I agree with Red Cloud.

 

[gotice]

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Based on the news today that the 5 young men who were falsely accused of rape at Hofstra University have been released, maybe we should wait until all the facts are released, before we judge. Just a thought.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stor...ho-claimed-rape-could-be-charged/Default.aspx

 

[chase.ma]

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And I am sure you've never driven above 55, added a few extra dollars in your taxes, or taken that extra ear of corn in the grocery store. Apples and oranges, call it what you may, they are still only misdemeanors for a reason.

Our prisons are over crowded as is, if you want to start putting kids in prison or putting kids through trial because they played a game of spin the bottle then by all means go ahead, job security is always welcomed. I’m sure you waited till you were married too to fool around I sure hope your kids (if you have any) will be home schooled for your own sake. Write or wrong just a little FYI only 15 of the 50 US States state your must be 17 or older to consent. Yes that’s right 35 of our States allow 16 or younger to consent to sex. Canada is actually 14, while some are petitioning to make it 16. This also doesn't take into account the "parental law" that some states use allowing parents to "okay" sexual activity at a younger age then consent.
Its because of WHO they are that we even know about this. And now with this information it leads me to believe even more the girl probably lied about her age anyways. And don’t give me the “they should’ve known” or “it’s still wrong”. Are kids going to be required to have an age ID tag implanted into their skin so you can scan them like a toy at WalMart? You’re dealing with 3 teenage boys at a summer camp, heck I’ll for further and say these 4 probably weren’t the only ones playing slap and tickle. I guess some of you all still think kids sit around a campfire roasting marshmallows and sipping on their lemonade at summer camps. Welcome to reality folks.

And the sad reality is that these kids will probably lose everything and mommy and daddy will bring home the bank. All because their little angel went to summer camp. I could see if these guys were 24+ years old, but they were barely out of high school. These kids had just turned 18 within 5 months of the alleged date, with the 19 year old having his 19th birthday with in a month of the date. People are making these kids out to be the 50 and 60 year old freaks I deal with every day. Or the ones whose parents buy them an ice cream truck so they can go touch little kids.

I agree that the age of consent laws are a little outdated in this country, but the purpose is to offer guidelines to teenagers who cannot or choose not to make responsible decisions. This isn't like a 19 year old player having sex with their 16 year old girlfriend, we are talking about mulitple young men and one girl. I don't think any of their parents would say they are OK with what happened. The players knew what was going on was not socially acceptable nor morally right. Now, did the girl lie about her age? It wouldn't suprise me, but you still have to take responsibility for your own actions. If it wasn't what amounts to an orgy, then this wouldn't be as big of a deal. The authorities are obligated to investigate and I would assume the players will be offered a plea for probation and a fine plus further institutional action. And you know what, I'm fine with that, just because you don't agree with the laws doesn't mean you can break them and get away with it. Have I driven over 55 in a 55? yes, but if I go to court and say it happens all the time and I don't see why its a big deal, I'm still going to get a ticket.

 

[dggoddard]

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Based on the news today that the 5 young men who were falsely accused of rape at Hofstra University have been released, maybe we should wait until all the facts are released, before we judge. Just a thought.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stor...ho-claimed-rape-could-be-charged/Default.aspx

This is a message board. We can discuss this issue to any extent we choose.

Clarkson is the one who has a potential lawsuit hanging over their heads from either the girl's family or the players if they were wrongly accused.

But either way, the Hofstra situation is far different than this case. If the players were counselors at a Clarkson camp they are de-facto agents of the university. And as scholarship athletes they are under a far stricter code of conduct umbrella than regular students.

The players could be completely innocent of all charges and accusations by the girl and yet still be kicked out of school if they so much as provided her with alcohol (not saying they gave her anything, just saying what if).

 

[chase.ma]

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I agree, and I will have no problem if/when Roll decides that the Clarkson hockey program is better off without them. But that's between Clarkson and the players to decide.

Where I disagree is that these boys should be labeled as sexual offenders for the rest of their lives and if there is ever a civil judgement against them. These are not dangerous perverts - they very well could be jerks, but we shouldn't be using the coercive power of the state to try to regulate behavior that is merely boorish.

As an aside to my previous post, I want to echo these sentiments. Our country loves to take laws out of context to make examples of individuals, male teenagers esspecially. People should not be registered sex offenders for violations such as public urination or sex with a "consenting" minor. Instead, those who force their will on others through exposure or abuse should be jailed and registered upon their release. These boys did not force their will upon this girl, but they did make a huge error in judgement, reprimand them accordingly, but don't ruin their lives. A sexual deviant does not equal a sexual offender.

 

[chase.ma]

Re: 2 Clarkson hockey players face sex charges

Based on the news today that the 5 young men who were falsely accused of rape at Hofstra University have been released, maybe we should wait until all the facts are released, before we judge. Just a thought.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stor...ho-claimed-rape-could-be-charged/Default.aspx

Gotice, the facts as stated are multiple clarkson student athletes had consentual sex with a 16 year old girl. Other than the sex acts not occuring, is there any more pertinant information that would not make this illegal? I'm just saying the details can only make the issue at hand worse, not better.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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This is a message board. We can discuss this issue to any extent we choose.

Clarkson is the one who has a potential lawsuit hanging over their heads from either the girl's family or the players if they were wrongly accused.

But either way, the Hofstra situation is far different than this case. If the players were counselors at a Clarkson camp they are de-facto agents of the university. And as scholarship athletes they are under a far different code of conduct umbrella than regular students.

The players could be completely innocent of all charges and accusations by the girl and yet still be kicked out of school if they so much as provided her with alcohol (not saying they gave her anything, just saying what if).

C'mon DG, you should know better than to slow these guys down with factual information...

 

[grantfan]

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Hey Chase, in case you're a glass-half-full kind of guy, you'll be happy to know that you are not required to register as a sex offender for public urination, so that's good. Sex with a minor, not so much.

Like you, I struggle to see a distinction between those two offenses.

I also ASSume that your linking them is NO reflection of your view of women, specifically underage women.

 

[dggoddard]

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C'mon DG, you should know better than to slow these guys down with factual information...

You're right as usual. I just can't help myself.

Back to the banter.