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12/10 USCHO Poll

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jconnor said:
And Elmira beat Utica a night after getting their *****es handed to them.Every team has an off night I'll go on record that Oswego will go further into the playoffs than Utica;)
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That's right, Mr Conner. And Utica did not have its best night (I won't say off night) during the Saturday Elmira game. I felt real bad that evening that you did not see Utica's best hockey. I wonder if you would feel differently if you had seen the Friday EC-UC game?
 
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UCBadger said:
That's right, Mr Conner. And Utica did not have its best night (I won't say off night) during the Saturday Elmira game. I felt real bad that evening that you did not see Utica's best hockey. I wonder if you would feel differently if you had seen the Friday EC-UC game?
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That's the problem, these voters don't see these teams play often enough. I based my thoughts on what I did see, EC vs Oswego and EC vs Utica, not saying Utica doesn't have a good team because they do, however, I think Oswego is the better of the two.
I hope you can make it down to the Domes for the "rubber match" I owe you one.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Maybe so but are we comparing Utica and Elmira right now? No...we're comparing two teams with relatively equal records (if not exactly equal) and if anything Utica has played a tougher schedule to date as well as owning a head to head road win over said team that is still ranked way higher than them.

That doesn't make one ounce of sense.
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Utica has played a much tougher schedule than Oswego. I can't give it to you exactly, but before OSW played UTC and HOB, their OWP was ranked in the high 50s or low 60s, and that was after they played PLT. My computer has OSW somewhere around 10.
 
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UCBadger said:
That's right, Mr Conner. And Utica did not have its best night (I won't say off night) during the Saturday Elmira game. I felt real bad that evening that you did not see Utica's best hockey. I wonder if you would feel differently if you had seen the Friday EC-UC game?
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Oswego didn't exactly show up against Utica either if you want to go there. The head to head win is great and Utica deserved it because they were the only team that came to play but it doesn't really put them head and shoulders above Oswego. If anything they should probably be tied in the rankings at this point.

I am thinking maybe some voters are looking at Oswego's roster and see that they have 14 guys that have three final four trips to their credit and some might feel that this last little stretch was an anomaly. I don't really know if I agree with that way of thinking but it could be how they arrived where they are.
 
NUProf said:
Utica has played a much tougher schedule than Oswego. I can't give it to you exactly, but before OSW played UTC and HOB, their OWP was ranked in the high 50s or low 60s, and that was after they played PLT. My computer has OSW somewhere around 10.
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I see that the Krach has SOS higher for OSW... As a former math major, can you tell me mathematically why theirs and your number differ?
 
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Ozz said:
I see that the Krach has SOS higher for OSW... As a former math major, can you tell me mathematically why theirs and your number differ?
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They would differ because they are calculated with different methodologies. The Krach SOS is based on the Krach rating of each opponent. My OWP (which is not the only component in computing SOS is the accumulated W/L/T records of the opponents (not including games against the team itself). The NCAA computes OWP by taking the average winning percent of a teams opponents (after excluding games against the team itself). The NCAA procedure should give a result that is close to mine (it would be identical if all teams have played the same number of games).

After playing Hobart and Utica (with Hobart at 11-0-2 without OSW, and Utica at 8-2-0, their SOS did take a jump this week from where it was last week. Still I find them at 24, which is whole lot better than they were. Of course the fact is that their two losses were both to teams that will, no doubt be NCAA ranked at the end of the season will hurt them in the NCAA criteria. (Perversely the NCAA criteria make a loss against a good team to be more punishing than a loss to a poor team.
 
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UCBadger said:
What? That was not a sarcastic remark.
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Sorry, that face was intended for the discussion, not your remark..... I happen to agree with you. Should they be closer in the poll? Probably. Should they be ahead of them? Not yet.
 
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I think we need to calm down about the whole rankings thing.
Rankings are like your friends opinion of your girlfriend.
Do you want them to be high? Sure...In the end do you really give a crap....
No
 
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fisheralum91 said:
I think we need to calm down about the whole rankings thing.
Rankings are like your friends opinion of your girlfriend.
Do you want them to be high? Sure...In the end do you really give a crap....
No
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Never heard that saying before but I like it!
 
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Just a little side not on the "respect"....

You get respect from winning when it matters....not just beating a team ...you have to remember this is a human poll not a computer poll (thank god no ofense prof). People will always give teams like Norwich SNC Plattsburgh Oswego Middlebury because of what they've done and at the same time teams like Utica who have year after year not shown anything. You get the benifit of a doubt when you lose or tie against inferior opponents. When does a loss become a slip up and when does it become "this team just isn't as good anymore". On the flip side when does a win become an "upset" and when does it become just another win. When Plattsburgh plays teams like Norwich, Middlebury, Oswego its not really an upset...its just another win. When teams like Hobart and Utica beat these teams, its still considered an upset because they have not shown the ability to consistsntly play at the level of the top tier teams. Utica will not only need to either beat Oswego again and again and again but MAKE the NCAAs and DO something. Kind of like the Atlanta Falcons on thr NCAA....good teams....except Atlanta actually makes the playoffs
 
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