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118th Congress - Neutered Dog Attempts to Legislate

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ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, it's kind of weird how the logic doesn't track. They'll just tell you that they want to protect "their" people because "their" people got swept up into everything by the deep state FBI ****ers who ran the whole shebang.
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Why do they need protecting if they didn't do anything wrong?

I mean, how's the FBI gonna railroad them into a jail sentence if they were just tourists, out for a casual stroll around the Capitol grounds? Picnic basket and everything.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
So Mikey thinks he is Moses getting instructions from god

that’s terrifying
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Everything Republican is terrifying. Israel conservatives apparently not only let the attack happen, but waited 8 hours to respond to it. I can't square that in my head but it appears to explain why conservatives think what they think about January 6th, and it explains why January 6th happened.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
So Mikey thinks he is Moses getting instructions from god

that’s terrifying
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We laugh at this stuff when it's the Ayatollahs.

In early November, Rolling Stone reported that Johnson flew, outside his district office, an “Appeal to Heaven” flag. That flag, originally flown during the Revolutionary War, has been adopted by a network of radical Christian leaders called the New Apostolic Reformation. The NAR, a “dominionist” movement, aims to “take dominion” over seven public arenas—religion, family, government, education, arts and entertainment, media, and business—for God. And that notion isn’t limited to peaceful get-out-the-vote efforts. The NAR, as the Rolling Stone authors had previously reported, appears to have been a key group behind the Christian nationalist showing at the Jan. 6 insurrection, at which dozens of “Appeal to Heaven” flags were spotted. Johnson himself has associated with NAR acolytes.

Johnson, the primary intellectual driver behind the “Stop the Steal” movement, has shown himself to be a powerful strategist for the religious right. As he made clear on Tuesday, he recognizes a spiritual battle in Congress. And with the confidence of an Old Testament prophet, he sees victory ahead.
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Since the Rennaissance there has been a hard split in the view of reality. Some people understand there is no purpose or meaning outside of human beings, so if we want a loving, peaceful, just world we have to make it ourselves. Others are still trapped in the superstitious pre-civilized understanding of a Manichean struggle between Good and Evil, in which if you are wearing the right uniform color you can do anything you want and it's justified by a "higher law." The latter are cowardly, irresponsible, utterly fixated on their magic spells and totems, and are also guilty of the most appalling violence, all explained away as the cost of doing business in a hard world. Hindus, Christians, Leninists, Fascists -- all motivated to bend human beings to their mystical "moral arc of the universe." All brutes and killers.

It isn't just ignorance. They have had over 500 years of blatant proof that the former view of reality is correct -- the science based on it works, the social reforms attuned to it have improved the world. But they are have a biochemical wiring to need a Sky Daddy, and the certainty of grounding myths. They run from the ambiguity of nature and from freedom because it means they are responsible for what they do, and there is never any real safety.

We don't challenge them often because they are numerous and violent and without conscience, and for the most part we have tried to design systems to keep them away from power. But sometimes the derp squeezes into places it shouldn't, and then disasters happen. Intelligent, cultured, educated people need to recapture a measure of confidence. Not infallible, but certainly better than the common run. We need checks and balances, but we also need to be more practical than the airy fairy words of Pure Democracy. There's a rabble, and it should be kept away from the hot stove.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Also, it's NEVER lupus.
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Ny court orders a new congressional map to be drawn
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Good. Gerrymander the f-ck out of it. What's good for the goose.

How many seats has the GOP stolen, nationwide? 30? 40? Let's steal a few and claw the House back. Meanwhile, we need a national standard for un-screwing all the districts: some sum of least squares algorithm. And put it in front of all the stage legs and tell them, "you want to settle this once and for all?" They, won't, of course, it's their main spoils of war. But until we get a Court willing to apply an aggressive standard of positive democracy and get rid of all the rotten boroughs, we need to fight as dirty as the orcs.
 
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Kepler said:
Good. Gerrymander the f-ck out of it. What's good for the goose.

How many seats has the GOP stolen, nationwide? 30? 40? Let's steal a few and claw the House back. Meanwhile, we need a national standard for un-screwing all the districts: some sum of least squares algorithm. And put it in front of all the stage legs and tell them, "you want to settle this once and for all?" They, won't, of course, it's their main spoils of war. But until we get a Court willing to apply an aggressive standard of positive democracy and get rid of all the rotten boroughs, we need to fight as dirty as the orcs.
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I just wish the framers went with popular vote by state. Would have been so much cleaner
 
Handyman said:
They would never let the people have that kind of power...
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I mean they kind of did with the house. It was the only directly elected positions in the entirety of the federal government. They also didn't anticipate the magnitude of the CA-WY issue.

I suspect if they were a bit more creative they'd have predicted the potential problem with congressional redistricting and sorted that out. Not sure they'd have arrived at statewide popular vote, but it would have been done a bit different I suspect.

But yeah, overall you're right. They kept direct power out of the hands of the people at every step of the way.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I mean they kind of did with the house. It was the only directly elected positions in the entirety of the federal government. They also didn't anticipate the magnitude of the CA-WY issue.
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The Senate was a compromise with the South (along with the embarrassing and deprecated 3/5ths Compromise), so that CA-WY issue is actually by design. What they did not anticipate was the extent to which the country urbanized around Taylorism/Fordism in the teens and 20s.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The Senate was a compromise with the South (along with the embarrassing and deprecated 3/5ths Compromise), so that CA-WY issue is actually by design. What they did not anticipate was the extent to which the country urbanized around Taylorism/Fordism in the teens and 20s.
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The Senate was also meant to be mini-state-ambassadors to the overall federal government that the states had given up some power to so that they could keep it in check. Which made since for the 13 original colonies (and I guess Texas) that had to explicitly choose to join versus the other 36 states that were just arbitrarily carved up from federal territory and didn't have a choice.
 
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