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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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SJHovey said:
You guys continue to look at this from exactly the wrong direction. You aren't going to get 20 democrats to vote for McCarthy, or anyone the Republicans put up. So, why not take advantage of some of the frustration that is probably felt by some of the members of the Republican caucus and encourage them to cross over. You only need 6 people. That's a lot easier than the 17 or 18 McCarthy needs to get.

What is literally the worst outcome if you do that? You get a speaker for an undefined period of time, however long the coalition holds up.

I will say it again, I would shocked if experienced D's aren't exploring this.
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List 6 non-crazy Rs who, regardless of how frustrating things are right now, would willingly sign up to commit unforced political suicide by voting with a block of Ds on anything let alone SOTH? C'mon, name 'em.

You can't. Because there aren't any. And if there aren't any, while your argument makes sense from the outside, it's still pointless.*

*I think I just wrote the definition for specious.
 
SJHovey said:
I think in the last Senate, of the 50 Senators you guys counted as "D's," there were actually only something like 47 or 48. The others were "Independents." But, they were persuaded to vote with D's on enough issues to give the D's majority control in the Senate.

I would be shocked if somewhere behind the scenes the Democratic leadership in the House isn't at least thinking about or talking about or exploring the possibility of how they can get to 218. They aren't publicly acknowledging it because there is too much political value in letting the Republicans in the House engage in their spat, but they are thinking about it.

This might be your future, right here. It's entirely possible the Republican party, as represented in the House, fractures into two separate groups. Then what?

Then you are right back to what I was talking about earlier. Who can come up with a way to get to 218. Yep, it's as fragile as your coalition, but it's better than having no coalition at all.
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Aren't you the one always scolding about people on this board whining about the Dems not getting anything done, despite them having majorities in both houses, and the presidency?

Your guys have the majority in the House. Get your shit together, and stop expecting the Dems, who you disparage and attack at every turn, to fix your problems for you, since you're incapable of doing it yourselves.

Jesus, the willful ignorance.
 
SJHovey said:
You guys continue to look at this from exactly the wrong direction. You aren't going to get 20 democrats to vote for McCarthy, or anyone the Republicans put up. So, why not take advantage of some of the frustration that is probably felt by some of the members of the Republican caucus and encourage them to cross over. You only need 6 people. That's a lot easier than the 17 or 18 McCarthy needs to get.

What is literally the worst outcome if you do that? You get a speaker for an undefined period of time, however long the coalition holds up.

I will say it again, I would shocked if experienced D's aren't exploring this.
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There isn't six to cross. Are you day drinking? The Dems supposedly floated the idea after the first day. It isn't happening.

You need to stop pretending this is politics as usual. If that move was possible it would have happened already. They aren't concerned with governing. Just stop.
 
SJHovey said:
You guys continue to look at this from exactly the wrong direction. You aren't going to get 20 democrats to vote for McCarthy, or anyone the Republicans put up. So, why not take advantage of some of the frustration that is probably felt by some of the members of the Republican caucus and encourage them to cross over. You only need 6 people. That's a lot easier than the 17 or 18 McCarthy needs to get.

What is literally the worst outcome if you do that? You get a speaker for an undefined period of time, however long the coalition holds up.

I will say it again, I would shocked if experienced D's aren't exploring this.
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"I would be so owned if the GOP voted to expand medicare to all! I don't ever know what I'd do!!"
 
Proud2baLaker said:
Mayor Pete recently moved to Michigan. Could he win a senator seat there?
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He may be thinking about it, but I doubt the Dems would choose to try and replace Debs with an overly academic white dude if they can avoid it. We've already got Peters and women have dominated the last three election cycles in MI.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
He may be thinking about it, but I doubt the Dems would choose to try and replace Debs with an overly academic white dude if they can avoid it. We've already got Peters and women have dominated the last three election cycles in MI.
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It's either gonna be Jocelyn or Dana.
 
To be clear I don't really have a problem with Pete, but he would not be my first choice of nominee given the current trends.

Thinking of alternatives both Jocelyn Benson and Dana Nessel are qualified and have name recognition, but both just won 4 more years as MI SoS and MI AG, respectively. That doesn't mean one of them couldn't leave her current post, but it makes announcing a Senate run now a bit awkward. I could see one or both of Reps. Elissa Slotkin and Haley Stevens throwing their hats in the ring. Slotkin just won re-election by 4-5 points in a redrawn tossup district, so it may be best if she stays put to hold that seat. Stevens is in a safe D district, but IMO lacks the personality for a statewide race. Moving down the hierarchy, state Senator Mallory McMorrow (keep it in your pants, Kep) earned a name for herself statewide in the past year. Anyone who suggests Rashida Tlaib is delusional.

Aside from Pete, the only man I could see getting the nod from the Ds is career legacy admit Andy Levin, who was redistricted out of Congress last year and lost his primary challenge against Stevens. Lieutenant Gov. Garlin Gilchrist checks the minority box, but IMO doesn't offer much else. Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan has been popular and successful enough to win three terms, no small feat as a white man in a majority-minority city. However he's got himself a pretty solid gig there, he has no prior legislative experience, and he likely comes with the usual "big city mayor" baggage.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
To be clear I don't really have a problem with Pete, but he would not be my first choice of nominee given the current trends.

Thinking of alternatives both Jocelyn Benson and Dana Nessel are qualified and have name recognition, but both just won 4 more years as MI SoS and MI AG, respectively. That doesn't mean one of them couldn't leave her current post, but it makes announcing a Senate run now a bit awkward. I could see one or both of Reps. Elissa Slotkin and Haley Stevens throwing their hats in the ring. Slotkin just won re-election by 4-5 points in a redrawn tossup district, so it may be best if she stays put to hold that seat. Stevens is in a safe D district, but IMO lacks the personality for a statewide race. Moving down the hierarchy, state Senator Mallory McMorrow (keep it in your pants, Kep) earned a name for herself statewide in the past year. Anyone who suggests Rashida Tlaib is delusional.

Aside from Pete, the only man I could see getting the nod from the Ds is career legacy admit Andy Levin, who was redistricted out of Congress last year and lost his primary challenge against Stevens. Lieutenant Gov. Garlin Gilchrist checks the minority box, but IMO doesn't offer much else. Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan has been popular and successful enough to win three terms, no small feat as a white man in a majority-minority city. However he's got himself a pretty solid gig there, he has no prior legislative experience, and he likely comes with the usual "big city mayor" baggage.
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It should also be said that there are a few other males that have climbed the ladder- but IMHO, they need to be more. For our area, Jeff Irwin and Yousuf Rabhi.

It will be interesting to see who tries. Seeing the last election, I would give them a really good chance as the state, whoever it is.
 
Lmao. Kevin looks like a dude who got his nutsack cut off and is trying to smile through it. It's so fucking pathetic. I've never seen anyone so into BDSM. Live and on camera.
 
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