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116th Congress: Episode 1 - Trial by Fire

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ScoobyDoo said:
I sadly disagree. This is a flaw in our system. Our system is a two party system and the GOP has found the major flaw and exploited it. And, they continue to exploit it over and over and over again. The only way to fix it is to get Republicans/Conservatives/Fox Viewers to care about the system enough to stop exploiting it. Hell will freeze over before that happens.
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The whole point of our system is it could function even when bad people got into power. Bad people are in power now. We are going to flush them down the electoral toilet. That's our system.

It works as opposed to a totalitarian regime seizing power and staying there for 40 years.

It works as opposed to a civil war where millions die because we don't have a peaceful transfer of power.

It doesn't work as opposed to your rainbow-farting unicorn fantasies.

I'm sorry somebody promised you this would be easy and you wouldn't have to lift a finger, but it isn't and you do. It's up to The People in the end. If we fail then yes democracy fails. But if we can't save it then who cares, we were just ants all along.
 
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Kepler said:
The whole point of our system is it could function even when bad people got into power. Bad people are in power now. We are going to flush them down the electoral toilet. That's our system.

It works as opposed to a totalitarian regime seizing power and staying there for 40 years.

It works as opposed to a civil war where millions die because we don't have a peaceful transfer of power.

It doesn't work as opposed to your rainbow-farting unicorn fantasies.

I'm sorry somebody promised you this would be easy and you wouldn't have to lift a finger, but it isn't and you do. It's up to The People in the end. If we fail then yes democracy fails. But if we can't save it then who cares, we were just ants all along.
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Our electoral system has given us almost 40 straight years of this crap. Sorry, I have no faith in the system. As for lifting a finger, I do what I can.
 
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Kepler said:
There is no such thing as Human Nature. Your nature is what you decide to do right now. It's entirely up to you. The people refusing to fight Dump and his fascists are choosing to be cowards.
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Yeah no. Sorry but there is a reason why if you look through history patterns emerge. Human Nature does exist it is why certain things are truths.

To argue otherwise flies in the face of history.

Some aspects we can control, but some things are true no matter how much good people try and fight against it.
 
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Handyman said:
Yeah no. Sorry but there is a reason why if you look through history patterns emerge. Human Nature does exist it is why certain things are truths.

To argue otherwise flies in the face of history.
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Those patterns expose the repetition of rational choices when confronted by similar circumstances, and are also typically rife with confirmation bias. Even in very similar circumstances people display a wide variety of responses. Some people choose security; some choose freedom. Some people choose kindness; some choose malevolence. Nor are people consistent -- they contradict themselves day to day or even hour to hour. So, which is "nature" and which is an overcoming? It's a meaningless concept.

The idea of a human nature is a romanticized distortion of the empirical observation that people frequently fall short of their ideals. It's just another magical explanation, like the fall of man or the devil. There is nothing to it.
 
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I'm just gonna disagree with you and be done with it because your reasoning is just such an over simplification. I get what you are trying to say but I don't agree with it. No harm no foul :)
 
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The problems that we have, that we have had at least for my entire life (so, back to the Ford Administration) are not because of the parties, or the politicians, or the growing power of the Executive Branch. These are symptoms. The problem is apathy. Voting rates below 60%. We have the most horrifying President imaginable, and you watch, come 2020, fewer than 60% of eligible voters will vote.

If people get out and vote, then the people who everyone hates get voted out. But people don't vote, because the people who everyone hates never get voted out. And so, as a result, the people who everyone hates never get voted out.

That's some catch, that Catch-22
 
Handyman said:
Yeah no. Sorry but there is a reason why if you look through history patterns emerge. Human Nature does exist it is why certain things are truths.

To argue otherwise flies in the face of history.

Some aspects we can control, but some things are true no matter how much good people try and fight against it.
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Yah. Humans are able to do things other don't (human nature vs canine nature).

Humans sometimes share food.... dogs sometimes do too. That's a draw.

Humans collectively group and travel long distances tonight other humans while dogs just hang around and fight solo or in small packs.

Dogs don't kill their offspring at birth or before with intent.

Dogs bang anything they feel like when they feel like it or the woman draws them. Humans don't.. . Well, most humans don't... .. well some humans don't.

Dogs lick their balls.

Dogs and humans get their face in others genitals (other being dog/dog or human/human. Not human/dog... . We some may. Ok but not many.

Dogs don't go looking for universal basic dogfood.

Humans get their hair cut by choice. Dogs don't.
 
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Handyman said:
Yeah no. Sorry but there is a reason why if you look through history patterns emerge. Human Nature does exist it is why certain things are truths.

To argue otherwise flies in the face of history.

Some aspects we can control, but some things are true no matter how much good people try and fight against it.
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Kepler said:
Those patterns expose the repetition of rational choices when confronted by similar circumstances, and are also typically rife with confirmation bias. Even in very similar circumstances people display a wide variety of responses. Some people choose security; some choose freedom. Some people choose kindness; some choose malevolence. Nor are people consistent -- they contradict themselves day to day or even hour to hour. So, which is "nature" and which is an overcoming? It's a meaningless concept.

The idea of a human nature is a romanticized distortion of the empirical observation that people frequently fall short of their ideals. It's just another magical explanation, like the fall of man or the devil. There is nothing to it.
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It seems to me there are varying levels of predictability of human behavior, behaviors which are all ultimately linked with the specie's struggle to survive. Cows have developed extra stomachs so they can grab as much grass as they can while they are in a high risk environment and then go someplace safer where they can, as a herd, lie down, puke the grass back up, re-chew and digest it, all while watching for predators. It's not really cow nature--just a behavior that has been rewarded with a higher rate of survival.

Confirmation bias is a huge factor in behavior responses, but it's an active or vestigial survival mechanism too, wouldn't you say?

If our science were much much better--or we had the ability to account for the infinite number of choice situations--we'd be able to understand behaviors and predict them that much better, but we can't, so we mask our ignorance with things like religion.

How's that for oversimplifying, Handy?

And Kep, why is it you evoke Morrison more than any other poster here? Day to day, hour to hour.
 
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burd said:
And Kep, why is it you evoke Morrison more than any other poster here? Day to day, hour to hour.
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I have never knowingly invoked him except once. I guess he's just in the Zeitgeist.
 
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burd said:
Confirmation bias is a huge factor in behavior responses, but it's an active or vestigial survival mechanism too, wouldn't you say?
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I wasn't actually saying confirmation bias is part of the response pattern, but that we evaluate that pattern of responses through various biased lenses -- i.e., we impose pattern, we do not detect it.

So if you are hung up on a certain narrative, say, "no good deed goes unpunished," you can find hundreds of such cases in history. That's not because the narrative is real, it's because you can find hundreds of examples of ANYTHING in history. One could construct an internally-consistent theory of human nature based on any hypothesis in this scholarly collection.

People privilege the particular view of humanity that was poured into their little head at birth. But all narratives are themselves human creations. They aren't real. Generalized sociologies, like religions, are strictly for entertainment.
 
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Government at work.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just on floor for <a href="https://twitter.com/SenJackyRosen?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SenJackyRosen</a> first floor speech. A cool first: She was the first Senator to use her maiden speech to try to get something done! She asked for senate to pass a resolution to defend the Affordable Care Act from the Republican lawsuit. The Republicans objected.</p>— Amy Klobuchar (@amyklobuchar) <a href="https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1126507077856256000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
Not gonna lie...kinda said it that way cause it was you ;)
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If I could make it simpler I would. Smart people have complex thoughts but really smart people are able to express them clearly. A second-rate first-rate mind and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee in this town. :(
 
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Nancy, Mueller just said you're up. He's not going to help you.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judiciary Chairman <a href="https://twitter.com/JerryNadler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JerryNadler</a>: “Given that Special Counsel Mueller was unable to pursue criminal charges against the President, it falls to Congress to respond to the crimes, lies and other wrongdoing of President Trump – and we will do so.”</p>— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) <a href="https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1133760052496666624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Sun maid raisins terminates sponsorship with Grizzlies baseball team over the video showing AOC as enemy of America.

Some racist POS company may replace them, but good. Racist videos have consequences
 
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