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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

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ScoobyDoo said:
In the US we now think people with guns under their bed, loaded (safe or not) is normal.
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I don't think it's normal. Everywhere except for the actual frontier, as in, bears in your backyard, guns are a class marker, like smoking -- they're for people who dropped out of school having absorbed none of it. In the South that's a majority.
 
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The Rube said:
You missed the part where I said that was irresponsible and that owner should be banned from owning a gun. Irresponsible does not equal normal in my book.
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No, you think if there is a safe it's normal. That would be responsible. Both cases are abnormal.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, you think if there is a safe it's normal. That would be responsible. Both cases are abnormal.
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I married into a family that has a proliferation of two professions - lawyers and law enforcement officers (county and city levels, mostly). Two things I've noted: 1) For anybody under 70yo, gun safes and trigger locks are normal. 2) The one who's over 70yo, he has his weapons and ammo stored in a locked room, away from the grandchildren. No, situation #2 isn't the safest should his home be burglarized, but it's keeping the kids safer while they're in the house.
 
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St. Clown said:
I married into a family that has a proliferation of two professions - lawyers and law enforcement officers (county and city levels, mostly). Two things I've noted: 1) For anybody under 70yo, gun safes and trigger locks are normal. 2) The one who's over 70yo, he has his weapons and ammo stored in a locked room, away from the grandchildren. No, situation #2 isn't the safest should his home be burglarized, but it's keeping the kids safer while they're in the house.
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That's fine.

Keeping a loaded firearm under your bed is not normal. Safe or no safe.
 
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St. Clown said:
I married into a family that has a proliferation of two professions - lawyers and law enforcement officers (county and city levels, mostly). Two things I've noted: 1) For anybody under 70yo, gun safes and trigger locks are normal. 2) The one who's over 70yo, he has his weapons and ammo stored in a locked room, away from the grandchildren. No, situation #2 isn't the safest should his home be burglarized, but it's keeping the kids safer while they're in the house.
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#2 also isn't the safest given human nature. The only difference between many "responsible" gun owners and "irresponsible" gun owners is one **** up.
 
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St. Clown said:
I married into a family that has a proliferation of two professions - lawyers and law enforcement officers (county and city levels, mostly). Two things I've noted: 1) For anybody under 70yo, gun safes and trigger locks are normal. 2) The one who's over 70yo, he has his weapons and ammo stored in a locked room, away from the grandchildren. No, situation #2 isn't the safest should his home be burglarized, but it's keeping the kids safer while they're in the house.
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What I don't understand is why its normal for gun owners to keep their guns safely locked in a half ton safe...but its also normal for them to feel they must pack heat when they run up to buy toilet paper.
 
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5mn_Major said:
What I don't understand is why its normal for gun owners to keep their guns safely locked in a half ton safe...but its also normal for them to feel they must pack heat when they run up to buy toilet paper.
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LOL

That's a good one.
 
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5mn_Major said:
What I don't understand is why its normal for gun owners to keep their guns safely locked in a half ton safe...but its also normal for them to feel they must pack heat when they run up to buy toilet paper.
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That depends upon the person. The 70yo guy keeps a loaded pistol on him most of the time he's out of the house and working because his business is based upon collectibles. For whatever reason (probably taxes, my bet), that industry is made up of mostly cash transactions, so he's carrying around thousands of dollars at any given time he's working.
 
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St. Clown said:
That depends upon the person. The 70yo guy keeps a loaded pistol on him most of the time he's out of the house and working because his business is based upon collectibles. For whatever reason (probably taxes, my bet), that industry is made up of mostly cash transactions, so he's carrying around thousands of dollars at any given time he's working.
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It's understandable if you are a natural target, because people know who you are and what you do.

It's not if you are some random person heading to the store.

It's irritating when you live in an area where guns are so rampant that the gas stations have a risk of someone taking your car, but at least it's understandable.

It's not when people see that, and assume that it will happen to them, in some rural area 1000s of miles from the closest area where car jacking happens.

So, yes, it does depend. But the open question are the irrational that think they are in constant danger when they are very, very, very far from it- and still insist on packing heat.
 
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St. Clown said:
That depends upon the person. The 70yo guy keeps a loaded pistol on him most of the time he's out of the house and working because his business is based upon collectibles. For whatever reason (probably taxes, my bet), that industry is made up of mostly cash transactions, so he's carrying around thousands of dollars at any given time he's working.
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And there lies the problem and why safes are not the answer.

Your 70 yo collector puts countless innocents around him in danger by carrying a gun. He feel he needs to do this because everyone else can easily get a gun and that puts everyone around them in danger. And death can easily get set in motion by common anger or even a simple misunderstanding. The solution is tied to the guns themselves.
 
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alfablue said:
It's understandable if you are a natural target, because people know who you are and what you do.

It's not if you are some random person heading to the store.

It's irritating when you live in an area where guns are so rampant that the gas stations have a risk of someone taking your car, but at least it's understandable.

It's not when people see that, and assume that it will happen to them, in some rural area 1000s of miles from the closest area where car jacking happens.

So, yes, it does depend. But the open question are the irrational that think they are in constant danger when they are very, very, very far from it- and still insist on packing heat.
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I am in very much agreement of the bolded. If I lived in the bad part of North Mpls, South Side Chicago, East St Lou....one will have that problem. I don't like it, but I understand it.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The guy who shot the bus driver on 35w feared for his life? Oh GTFO.
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I heard that in media today also.

Um.
No.
Even if the bus had cut him off in traffic (and he had felt threatened that instant) the bus was now stopped and the "immediate fear" was gone.
 
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Guns v grief: inside America’s deadliest cultural chasm

Guns just point out an obvious reality. The entire practice of constitutional law in the US is an absurdity. It gives absolute significance to meanings that have long since vanished into history. Jefferson himself believed it was the “solemn opportunity” of every generation to update the constitution “every 19 or 20 years”. Before Trump, and anything he may or may not have done, there was already a constitutional crisis. There is no way to govern effectively when your foundational document is nonsensical and you worship it anyway. Look at what happens when you base your gun policy on the writings of a bunch of guys who had never seen an integrated cartridge, never mind an automatic weapon. You get mass murder nine days out of 10.
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On the anniversary of the MSDHS school shooting, news companies are running stories about school shootings...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/us/school-shootings-since-parkland-trnd/index.html

(CNN)In the year since a troubled teen gunned down 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, shootings have continued at schools across America.

Since Parkland, by CNN's count, there have been at least 31 incidents at K-12 schools in the United States in which someone was shot. That averages out to a shooting every 11.8 days.

In those shootings 19 people were killed and another 44 were injured.

"School shooting has become a cultural thing in the United States," says Mike Clumpner, president of Threat Suppression, a security consulting company that specializes in active-shooter response.

The parameters CNN followed in this count are:
*Shooting must involve at least one person being shot (not including the shooter)
*Shooting must occur on school property, which includes but is not limited to buildings, fields, parking lots, stadiums and buses
*We included gang violence, fights and domestic violence, but our count is not limited to those categories
*We included the accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met -- except when the sole shooter is a law enforcement or security officer
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