0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

[5mn_Major]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

You're willing to categorized a group as such? OK. ... DeNiro and James Earl Jones seem like real wretches.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/are-your-favorite-celebrities-licensed-to-carry/139053

(No comment on Trump or Stern.)

Dunno. They put more of a risk on others than they reduce for themselves maybe?

What does them committing suicide have to do with it?

So that's really your response? These C&C permit holders were attacked, justifyably defended themselves...and then half of them committed suicide? Not remotely plausible...unless every single C&C permit holder is a psychological wreck.

And what about the third that were convicted? All convicted criminals are terrible people while convicted C&C holders get a bad rap?

A lot of people who survived the Hillsborough disaster committed suicide, does that mean they were somehow culpable for the tragedy?

A lot? How many of the 25,000 at the Hillsborough disaster committed suicide?

 

[BassAle]

No, I'm quite sane.

Someone that is delusional or a sociopath isn’t self-aware of that fact, and you’ve demonstrated a HUGE lack of self-awareness on this forum

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Someone that is delusional or a sociopath isn’t self-aware of that fact, and you’ve demonstrated a HUGE lack of self-awareness on this forum

The only data point that you could give to make your case is that I keep coming here hoping for better than the standard ad hominem.

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a better result ... insane ... so you may have a point.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

The only data point that you could give to make your case is that I keep coming here hoping for better than the standard ad hominem.

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a better result ... insane ... so you may have a point.

I'm reasonable. I have no problem with people owning guns. Its just that using them for daily purposes via C&C is a disaster for American society in terms of damage to culture and net loss of lives.

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NRA revenue plummets $55 million from last year <a href="https://t.co/Tr9bNoWI4W">https://t.co/Tr9bNoWI4W</a> <a href="https://t.co/ist2HyhSgW">pic.twitter.com/ist2HyhSgW</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1067587913846833152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Rube]

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Second point: C&C holders are not great people. We've already addressed that with C&C holders fact based anger and belligerence - which is not even addressed. They don't break laws but they are frequently terrible people.


Fourth point: Police do not love C&C. In fact, police recommend NOT pulling out a gun if held up. Give the criminal the money they want.

1. Opinion, not fact. This taints your whole post.
2. Agreed. The robber has the bead on you at that point. So give them what they want, and move on.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NRA revenue plummets $55 million from last year <a href="https://t.co/Tr9bNoWI4W">https://t.co/Tr9bNoWI4W</a> <a href="https://t.co/ist2HyhSgW">pic.twitter.com/ist2HyhSgW</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1067587913846833152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Thoughts and prayers.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Second point: C&C holders are not great people. We've already addressed that with C&C holders fact based anger and belligerence - which is not even addressed. They don't break laws but they are frequently terrible people.

1. Opinion, not fact. This taints your whole post.

Then prove to me that C&C carriers 'are great people' by countering my points that they are more belligerent (already proven) or that they don't put other innocents at risk (already proven):

Dunno. C&C carriers put more of a risk on others than they reduce for themselves maybe?

Fourth point: Police do not love C&C. In fact, police recommend NOT pulling out a gun if held up. Give the criminal the money they want.

2. Agreed. The robber has the bead on you at that point. So give them what they want, and move on.

Now we're getting somewhere. So doesn't that completely invalidate the only stated benefit of C&C?

 

[rufus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NRA revenue plummets $55 million from last year <a href="https://t.co/Tr9bNoWI4W">https://t.co/Tr9bNoWI4W</a> <a href="https://t.co/ist2HyhSgW">pic.twitter.com/ist2HyhSgW</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1067587913846833152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Russian contributions must be stalled, as they're trying to lay low.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Who's the deadliest? The answer may surprise you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvtFXDWCd3s

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

Then prove to me that C&C carriers 'are great people' by countering my points that they are more belligerent (already proven) or that they don't put other innocents at risk (already proven):

All I can do is point out there are 14.5 million plus (not counting no CC permit required states) permits out there and you can point to fewer than 1000 incidents in nearly 12 years.

 

[SJHovey]

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Now we're getting somewhere. So doesn't that completely invalidate the only stated benefit of C&C?

What are you prattling on about?

C&C is not some gift or benefit bestowed on us by our masters.

Guns, including handguns, are products lawfully sold and purchased in this country. Your right to purchase and possess a handgun exists, not because some legislature adopted a C&C law, but because it's in the Constitution.

C&C laws are simply modest restrictions on that right, not some benefit bestowed. The idea is that we (law enforcement and the state) would like to know who is concealing upon their person a gun, so that when the police serve a warrant or make a traffic stop, that information is available to them and they can keep it in the back of their mind.

I guarantee you that police like C&C laws, if the alternative is that we just go back to our basic right to possess a gun. What the police would like are greater restrictions than most current C&C laws. If you're going to have a handgun on your person, they prefer that it be one they plant on you after they've mistakenly shot you.

You cite statistics showing the percentage of gun deaths caused by C&C persons, like "oh the horrors, here we've given them this privilege and they weren't capable of safely handling it."

First, you haven't given anyone squat. Second, my preference would be that if there are going to be gun deaths, 100% of them occur at the hands of C&C permit holders. At least then we'd have some inkling that this type of registration system actually works and that people who are walking around with guns on their persons are at least abiding by the law and applying for a permit before committing a crime with their gun, as opposed to reality which is that people who are going to commit the crime of murder don't really concern themselves with whether they might be violating some lesser law.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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What are you prattling on about?

C&C is not some gift or benefit bestowed on us by our masters.

Guns, including handguns, are products lawfully sold and purchased in this country. Your right to purchase and possess a handgun exists, not because some legislature adopted a C&C law, but because it's in the Constitution.

C&C laws are simply modest restrictions on that right, not some benefit bestowed. The idea is that we (law enforcement and the state) would like to know who is concealing upon their person a gun, so that when the police serve a warrant or make a traffic stop, that information is available to them and they can keep it in the back of their mind.

I guarantee you that police like C&C laws, if the alternative is that we just go back to our basic right to possess a gun. What the police would like are greater restrictions than most current C&C laws. If you're going to have a handgun on your person, they prefer that it be one they plant on you after they've mistakenly shot you.

You cite statistics showing the percentage of gun deaths caused by C&C persons, like "oh the horrors, here we've given them this privilege and they weren't capable of safely handling it."

First, you haven't given anyone squat. Second, my preference would be that if there are going to be gun deaths, 100% of them occur at the hands of C&C permit holders. At least then we'd have some inkling that this type of registration system actually works and that people who are walking around with guns on their persons are at least abiding by the law and applying for a permit before committing a crime with their gun, as opposed to reality which is that people who are going to commit the crime of murder don't really concern themselves with whether they might be violating some lesser law.

You've got to be kidding me.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...-officer-philando-castile-20170620-story.html

Video that shows a Minnesota police officer shooting seven rapid shots at Philando Castile during a traffic stop in July was made public Tuesday, just days after the officer was acquitted on all counts in the case.

The shooting on July 6, 2016, in the Twin Cities suburb of Falcon Heights gained widespread attention because Castile's girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, livestreamed its gruesome aftermath on Facebook. Unlike Reynolds' video, the squad-car video shows the situation's quick escalation and the shooting itself.

Yanez, who was found not guilty of manslaughter and other charges, began firing only seconds after Castile told the officer he had a gun.

"Sir, I have to tell you, I do have a firearm on me," Castile said.

Before Castile finished that sentence, Yanez began pulling his weapon out of the holster. Yanez said, "OK. Don't reach for it then." He told the driver twice more not to pull out the weapon and then started firing into the car. After the firing ends, he screamed, "Don't pull it out!"

Castile, a 32-year-old elementary school cafeteria worker, had a permit to carry the weapon.

The release of the video made some people even angrier about the death.

 

[aparch]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

That video shows straight up murder.

Ho. Ly. Fu. Ck.

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"The 'good guy with a gun' is never black." <a href="https://twitter.com/JamilSmith?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JamilSmith</a> on gun rights in the real world <a href="https://t.co/TWSmXMpETe">https://t.co/TWSmXMpETe</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1067791479224107008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The Sicatoka]

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... If you're going to have a handgun on your person, they prefer that it be one they plant on you after they've mistakenly shot you..

Um, SJ, you owe me a new snark detection meter. That just overloaded and fried mine.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

All I can do is point out there are 14.5 million plus (not counting no CC permit required states) permits out there and you can point to fewer than 1000 incidents in nearly 12 years.

You define C&C carriers as 'great people' because they don't kill too many people. I see C&C carriers as having no problem putting others at risk. I guess that's where we differ.

Oh and I'll repost this:

A more recent meta-analysis of a larger sample of 151 effect-size estimates from 78 independent studies involving 7,668 participants found strong support for the idea that weapons increase the accessibility of aggressive thoughts and hostile appraisals.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/get-psyched/201301/the-weapons-effect

 

[5mn_Major]

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So you do agree then that if police don't want you to pull out a weapon during a crime event...that does invalidate the only real benefit of C&C. Good.

What are you prattling on about?

C&C is not some gift or benefit bestowed on us by our masters.

Guns, including handguns, are products lawfully sold and purchased in this country. Your right to purchase and possess a handgun exists, not because some legislature adopted a C&C law, but because it's in the Constitution.

Essentially wrong. If this was correct, criminals and children could not be denied carrying guns around. Guns would be allowed absolutely everywhere including on airplanes. The Constitution allows general possession for the purposes of militia. And even then, it doesn't define arms and so no specific modern gun nor handgun is protected. The US is using a purely political interpretation directed by the NRA - and you've signed up in full.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I guarantee you that police like C&C laws, if the alternative is that we just go back to our basic right to possess a gun.

So what. That doesn't mean the police like C&C:

Police chiefs implore Congress not to pass concealed-carry reciprocity gun law

The letter from the International Association of Chiefs of Police, representing 18,000 police departments across the United States and Boston Police Commissioner William Evans, targets the “Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act,” which passed the House in December and is now assigned to the Senate Judiciary Committee. The letter is endorsed by 473 police officials from 39 states, from large departments such as Los Angeles and Atlanta to small departments such as Spanish Fork, Utah, and Falls Church, Va.

“This legislation,” the letter states, “is a dangerous encroachment on individual state efforts to protect public safety, and it would effectively nullify duly enacted state laws and hamper law enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-reciprocity-gun-law/?utm_term=.f2f208e343da

 

[Slap Shot]

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You define C&C carriers as 'great people' because they don't kill too many people. I see C&C carriers as having no problem putting others at risk.

Whether or not an entire body of people can be "great" conversely you've done nothing to prove C&C carriers are by and large awful people or whatever adjectives you've ascribed to them.