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0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

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No concern for the freedom to not be shot by a mentally ill person who can easily access what is basically a fully automatic assault rifle w/ a 100 round drum through a private buyer or various other loopholes.
Wisko McBadgerton said:
This is a salient point in response to Sic's argument, however there is nothing stopping Minnesota (for example) from banning "assault" weapons and large capacity magazines, requiring 100% back ground checks, all sales through a licensed dealer, restricting concealed and open carry in several ways, etc. as California does. The Supreme Court has said as much. But it seems Minnesota hasn't yet been able to convince it's population these are good enough ideas to enact. Why is the only way forward through Federal power? If 35 states were to enact these types of laws, changing federal law or even the constitution would be a forgone conclusion, wouldn't it?
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Not necessarily because dirt, shrubs, and cows get the same amount of voting power in the senate as a state the size of a mid-sized European country. Not to mention if you can just cross state lines and easily buy a gun (like say crossing the border from Chicago to Indiana in less than an hour) you haven't accomplished much in terms of solving the larger problem.
 
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Handyman said:
"On the Board of Directors, Have Security Clearance Trying to Save Us From the Harmful EMPs"
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you for got to add "yet doesn't understand how security clearance works"
 
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trixR4kids said:
No concern for the freedom to not be shot by a mentally ill person who can easily access what is basically a fully automatic assault rifle w/ a 100 round drum through a private buyer or various other loopholes.
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No concern for the freedom to not be run over by a chronic alcoholic (hint: it's mental illness) who can run to the liquor store and buy a case of Scotch with a mere ID showing they are age 21 and then get behind the wheel.
 
The Sicatoka said:
No concern for the freedom to not be run over by a chronic alcoholic (hint: it's mental illness) who can run to the liquor store and buy a case of Scotch with a mere ID showing they are age 21 and then get behind the wheel.
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Actually, in Alaska a judge can, by law, force people to have an ID that says they can’t purchase alcohol.

Sounds like the problem is with your state government.
 
trixR4kids said:
No concern for the freedom to not be shot by a mentally ill person who can easily access what is basically a fully automatic assault rifle w/ a 100 round drum through a private buyer or various other loopholes.
Not necessarily because dirt, shrubs, and cows get the same amount of voting power in the senate as a state the size of a mid-sized European country. Not to mention if you can just cross state lines and easily buy a gun (like say crossing the border from Chicago to Indiana in less than an hour) you haven't accomplished much in terms of solving the larger problem.
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Only around 400 people a year die from being shot by an ‘assault rifle.’ There isn’t much for you to be worried about.
 
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Except there is concern over that and the laws reflect it. The same isn't the case for guns. DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP
Drew S. said:
Only around 400 people a year die from being shot by an ‘assault rifle.’ There isn’t much for you to be worried about.
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How does that number compare to the rest of the developed world? Also feel free to tell the families and friends of those 400 people, I'll wait...
 
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trixR4kids said:
Except there is concern over that and the laws reflect it. The same isn't the case for guns. DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP
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Really? No concern? Bloomberg anyone? And you're claiming that in this thread?
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Actually, in Alaska a judge can, by law, force people to have an ID that says they can’t purchase alcohol.

Sounds like the problem is with your state government.
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You know, you have a good point there. Sounds like some sort of registry or database.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, he's right. Give me my grenades and start concentrating on drunk driving instead of guns. The real issue.
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drunk driving IS a bigger threat to me, but they even go so far as to put up road blocks and pull every car over late at night looking for drunk drivers. Over the years they've increased penalty for driving under the influence, increased penalties for furnishing minors with alcohol, raised the legal drinking age, lowered the blood alcohol limit, etc.

one big difference is the purpose of a gun is to kill things. the purpose of alcohol is not (other than micro organisms that are killed by alcohol-based hand sanitizer)
 
trixR4kids said:
Except there is concern over that and the laws reflect it. The same isn't the case for guns. DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP
How does that number compare to the rest of the developed world? Also feel free to tell the families and friends of those 400 people, I'll wait...
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I’m sure it’s as statistically insignificant in other parts of the world as it is here.

You want to govern/manage to the exception? That is like Trump saying he wants to abolish the inheritance tax so families don’t have to sell their farms.
 
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BassAle said:
one big difference is the purpose of a gun is to kill things. the purpose of alcohol is not (other than micro organisms that are killed by alcohol-based hand sanitizer)
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It's just another stupid false equivalency by a guy who literally has no other options or argument strategy because he knows the point he's making isn't remotely salient. Alcohol provides far greater utility to society than guns, period. I've already explained how. Guns on the other hand provide some utility for hunting and other recreation but you don't need an AR-15 with a 100 round drum to do that and there's no legitimate reason to own one. The same can not be said for alcohol.
Drew S. said:
I’m sure it’s as statistically insignificant in other parts of the world as it is here.

You want to govern/manage to the exception? That is like Trump saying he wants to abolish the inheritance tax so families don’t have to sell their farms.
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It doesn't matter if it's statistically insignificant when your loved ones get shot by someone who clearly shouldn't own a gun much less a gun nobody should be allowed to own. If 400 people in some small town get cancer because some corporation dumped toxic waste in their back yard you can bet that the corporation won't just get off on the basis that it's statistically insignificant. In fact we even established laws to prevent that. We also have laws protecting minorities from discrimination, even ones that are statistically insignificant. Yes, laws are created for a lot of things that aren't statistically insignificant and they're still important to have.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
You're finally starting to see the point:

Which Constitutional freedoms do we clamp down on? Well, just yours, not mine. ;)
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The 2nd. We don't really have a well regulated militia.

You guys keep misunderstanding the 2nd. Its purpose is the well regulated militia which is the driving purpose for allowing guns...thereby defining their reach, usage, and management. Conceal is no more protected by the Constitution than is alcohol.
 
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You may say 'we haven't needed a well regulated militia since NAs were subdued by the turn of the 19th century'. Hmmm...what does that say about the 2nd altogether?
 
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