Golf thread

[Drew S.]

The thing about Tiger is that he's kind of like a football player without the concussion problems- he's got so many injuries. So it's natural to think that he uses painkillers to help with all of that, and by pretty common extrapolation, become an addict.

Especially when you crash a car on a pretty slow road when passing a pressure cleaning company.

I don’t think there is much doubt his issues stem more from physical problems versus boredom, depression, stress, etc. I’m not sure what you really can do for someone like him where his body is so beat up.

 

[MichVandal]

I don’t think there is much doubt his issues stem more from physical problems versus boredom, depression, stress, etc. I’m not sure what you really can do for someone like him where his body is so beat up.

When I hear how many Americans start down the path of addiction, virtually all of them start with painkillers due to some kind of injury. Not about boredom, depression, stress, etc- pain. The fact that it continues *might* be due to the rest, but it's also partially due to over prescription of painkillers.

So your idea that he should be excused due to pain is a empty claim,

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Actually, I would say many of them likely started the process years ago with alcohol, though many won't acknowledge it. That's the real gateway drug for most people with addict brain. It's legal, it's everywhere, and it's outright encouraged in many social and professional circles.

 

[Drew S.]

When I hear how many Americans start down the path of addiction, virtually all of them start with painkillers due to some kind of injury. Not about boredom, depression, stress, etc- pain. The fact that it continues *might* be due to the rest, but it's also partially due to over prescription of painkillers.

So your idea that he should be excused due to pain is a empty claim,

Where in my post did I say he should be excused?

You’re definitely right as far as the average person, but he’s got a unique situation given his age and number of surgeries. I’m sure he’s in a lot of pain the vast majority of the time.

 

[MichVandal]

Where in my post did I say he should be excused?

You’re definitely right as far as the average person, but he’s got a unique situation given his age and number of surgeries. I’m sure he’s in a lot of pain the vast majority of the time.

Stop finding reasons why he might be addicted. That's making excuses.

Plenty of professional athletes face retirement with pain. How many of them have crashed a vehicle multiple times?

 

[MichVandal]

Actually, I would say many of them likely started the process years ago with alcohol, though many won't acknowledge it. That's the real gateway drug for most people with addict brain. It's legal, it's everywhere, and it's outright encouraged in many social and professional circles.

If he was drunk when he crashed, that's a different thing. Based on the reports I have heard, he was at least impaired in some way.

But if he was impaired by alcohol or drugs, he should not get off with just a slap on the wrist. He was driving fast down a small road, tried to pass a turning vehicle and failed. Sorry, but if you drive like that, you are a danger to others on the road. A local artist here in metro Detroit was sent to prison for a few years after getting into an accident when impaired. Tiger should at least face a judge for the same thing.

 

[MissThundercat]

Tiger still has money. Could have called a cab, gotten an Uber or Lyft, could have asked one of his friends or one of his staff to drive him. He chose not to.

As I told my kids in residential care, "you are free to choose. You are not free from the consequences of your choice."

 

[ticapnews]

If he was drunk when he crashed, that's a different thing. Based on the reports I have heard, he was at least impaired in some way.

But if he was impaired by alcohol or drugs, he should not get off with just a slap on the wrist. He was driving fast down a small road, tried to pass a turning vehicle and failed. Sorry, but if you drive like that, you are a danger to others on the road. A local artist here in metro Detroit was sent to prison for a few years after getting into an accident when impaired. Tiger should at least face a judge for the same thing.

Reportedly, he passed the Breathalyzer but refused the urine test. So either it was drugs or he had a sandwich with a poppyseed bun for lunch and knew he'd fail. We all imagine it's painkillers but what if he refused because it was something more...recreational? Would we be as understanding if he tested positive for cocaine instead of opioids?

Regardless, he endangered himself and others. There are very few exceptions where that might be forgivable (if you're having a medical crisis; if you're racing to the hospital to see a dying relative before they pass) and he should be treated accordingly. But he's rich and has a team of lawyers so it won't surprise me when he skates.

What mystifies me every time this happens is that these people have more money than most of us would see in 100 lifetimes. Why the hell are you driving yourself? If I had that kind of cash I'd have a professional driver taking me everywhere.

 

[Drew S.]

Stop finding reasons why he might be addicted. That's making excuses.

Plenty of professional athletes face retirement with pain. How many of them have crashed a vehicle multiple times?

I think where we disagree is I’m not sure the term addict applies. He clearly has major physical problems and most likely needs pain management. Whatever the circumstances are, he obviously shouldn’t have been behind the wheel yesterday.

This is somewhat of an aside, but I think as a society we should come down much harder on reckless driving. There are so many people out there doing stuff like Tiger did yesterday, even when they’re completely clean.

 

[MichVandal]

I think where we disagree is I’m not sure the term addict applies. He clearly has major physical problems and most likely needs pain management. Whatever the circumstances are, he obviously shouldn’t have been behind the wheel yesterday.

This is somewhat of an aside, but I think as a society we should come down much harder on reckless driving. There are so many people out there doing stuff like Tiger did yesterday, even when they’re completely clean.

Maybe, maybe not.

Not sure what you would call a human being who thinks they can operate normally when using something that impairs you ability to operate. Especially if you have to constantly use it to "deal" with pain. Or rely on it to deal with pain.

Regardless, it sure seems that he was driving impaired, and could have easily killed someone.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

What mystifies me every time this happens is that these people have more money than most of us would see in 100 lifetimes. Why the hell are you driving yourself? If I had that kind of cash I'd have a professional driver taking me everywhere.

It's arrogance, selfishness, and a sense of invincibility. All traits of an active addict. It doesn't matter whether the drunk driver is named Cleetus or Griffon.