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Wisconsin Women's Hockey 2023-2024

Gargoyle said:
Can someone explain the "points" aspect of other-than-regulation wins? If a team prevails in overtime, does that team get all three points? Or does it get two points--one for the tie and one for the overtime "win"--and the other team gets a point for the tie? But the overtime win is recorded as a win? And if neither team prevails in overtime, does each team get a point for the tie and the shoot-out winner gets the extra point? But the game is recorded as a tie? I am so confused. I tried reading the on-line rules and concluded that someone needs to just explain it to me. It doesn't seem like an overtime "win" is truly a win if the other team still gets a point.
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It has changed as the mechanics of overtime and shootouts have changed. What you say above is pretty much correct.

Right now and for the two (?) years, there are three standings points available in each game. A regulation win gets you all three points. If regulation ends in a tie - like yesterday - each team gets one standings point, with the third still up for grabs. An overtime win - like yesterday - get you that third point. So yesterday UW got two of the three points, and St Cloud got the third. If OT has ended with nobody scoring, the third standings point goes to the winner of the shootout following overtime - as is what happened with the UW men vs Minnesota last night.

Then there's how the NCAA and the NPI/Pairwise handle ties and overtime and shootouts... even I can't keep that straight. :-)

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So I decided to refresh my memory, by looking up what Grant tells us in his 'pairwise calculator' posts:

The NCAA and USCHO list games that end overtime tied as ties, and OT wins as wins. But the more important thing is how the NPI calculation and so the Pairwise treat them.

"Overtime wins count as a partial victory in the NPI calculation at 67% of a win [and so a "33% loss" for the winner] . Ties, as always, count as 50% of a win [and 50% of a loss], as do shootout wins in games where they occur."

Yesterday (along with all the other games and their effects on UW's NPI) the OT win over St Cloud took UW's NPI number from 65.49 down to 65.06. Going to a shootout - no matter the outcome there - would have dropped the NPI number even lower.

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Interestingly, (pending today's result) a very 'consequential' weekend in the ECAC, with all the top teams playing one another, left the NPI and Pairwise pretty much right where it was at the start of the weekend: Ohio State #1, followed by Colgate, UW, Clarkson, Minnesota and Cornell. There's a pretty healthy gap between that top five and Cornell and below, but the gap did close some over the weekend.
 
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So I had missed the last 3 home games, but today reminded me of why I should attend them vs watching on BTN+. The first interesting thing is the St. Cloud players were passing down the bench some sort of smelling salt thing prior to the faceoff. Maybe that is something Idalski learned in China lol. The whole fist period, it seemed like he himself was on something, he was wound up tight. He was all over the refs about everything, and his voice carries. There was a faceoff where he was screaming at the linesman about the UW player cheating behind his back before he dropped the puck, then after the puck drop he continued to yell at him as he skated down the ice. Of course there was np cheating going on. I was thinking he was the second coming of Shannon Miller. In the subsequent periods he was acting more normal, kind of strange how his demeanor did a 180, unless Ludwig or Pont went into their locker room between periods and told him to shut his trap. Also in the 1st period was his ridiculous challenge of Gorbentenko's goal, he sure could have used that timeout later in the game. Also also in the 1st period, a Badger player got crushed along the boards in front of us, clearly at least a 2, no call. The crowd goes crazy, MJ's veins are popping out of his neck as now HE's chewing out the refs. The game was spiraling out of control like the good old days. Like I said, things calmed down afterwards but it was an intense period. I think MJ going berserk on the refs fired up the team and they took it up a notch.

Murphy MUST stop with the bone headed physical penalties and I'd throw Curl in with that too, though hers, while being physical penalties, are more subtle than Murphy's obvious ones. St. Cloud pulled the goalie with like 7 to go on PP that and they scored. That killed the crowd, it became a bit more of a nail biter at that point. He yanked her again and then Lacy popped one, and all was right in the world again.

All the goals allowed were on St. Cloud crashing the net hard and scoring from in close. UW needs to do a much better job dealing with those situations. Perhaps better rebound control as well by the goalies.
 
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Steamboat said:
Here is something you might wish to share:
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I feel like I should be asking you why you're reading the UW Alumni Magazine. If I'm not mistaken, isn't St. Thomas your team of choice? (smiling emoticon here)

But the article is so good, I'm just going to set that aside. This is a fine narrative, amply documented with player and coach quotes. Any college hockey fan will enjoy this one; it's certainly not limited to the Badger Fan Base.

Congratulations to Author Megan Provost. Here's to hoping we hear from her again! Which I guess means that Steamboat is going to have to keep reading UW publications, and post the link when the time comes. (winking emoticon here)
 
Timothy A said:
So I had missed the last 3 home games, but today reminded me of why I should attend them vs watching on BTN+. The first interesting thing is the St. Cloud players were passing down the bench some sort of smelling salt thing prior to the faceoff. Maybe that is something Idalski learned in China lol. The whole fist period, it seemed like he himself was on something, he was wound up tight. He was all over the refs about everything, and his voice carries. There was a faceoff where he was screaming at the linesman about the UW player cheating behind his back before he dropped the puck, then after the puck drop he continued to yell at him as he skated down the ice. Of course there was np cheating going on. I was thinking he was the second coming of Shannon Miller. In the subsequent periods he was acting more normal, kind of strange how his demeanor did a 180, unless Ludwig or Pont went into their locker room between periods and told him to shut his trap. Also in the 1st period was his ridiculous challenge of Gorbentenko's goal, he sure could have used that timeout later in the game. Also also in the 1st period, a Badger player got crushed along the boards in front of us, clearly at least a 2, no call. The crowd goes crazy, MJ's veins are popping out of his neck as now HE's chewing out the refs. The game was spiraling out of control like the good old days. Like I said, things calmed down afterwards but it was an intense period. I think MJ going berserk on the refs fired up the team and they took it up a notch.

Murphy MUST stop with the bone headed physical penalties and I'd throw Curl in with that too, though hers, while being physical penalties, are more subtle than Murphy's obvious ones. St. Cloud pulled the goalie with like 7 to go on PP that and they scored. That killed the crowd, it became a bit more of a nail biter at that point. He yanked her again and then Lacy popped one, and all was right in the world again.

All the goals allowed were on St. Cloud crashing the net hard and scoring from in close. UW needs to do a much better job dealing with those situations. Perhaps better rebound control as well by the goalies.
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It used to be fairly common to see NFL players using small 'breakable' capsules of ammonia - "smelling salts" - on the sidelines, but I can't say I remember seeing it much lately. They supposedly trigger a sequence that results in a greater intake of oxygen. I don't know if there's anything to prove any effectiveness.

Yeah, I couldn't understand what the challenge was about. I thought it was going to be a possible offsides prior to the goal, or maybe a 'kicked puck'. But interference? "The UW player knocked the puck into the net while my goalie was reaching for it! That's interference!" LOL
 
robertearle said:
It used to be fairly common to see NFL players using small 'breakable' capsules of ammonia - "smelling salts" - on the sidelines, but I can't say I remember seeing it much lately. They supposedly trigger a sequence that results in a greater intake of oxygen. I don't know if there's anything to prove any effectiveness.

Yeah, I couldn't understand what the challenge was about. I thought it was going to be a possible offsides prior to the goal, or maybe a 'kicked puck'. But interference? "The UW player knocked the puck into the net while my goalie was reaching for it! That's interference!" LOL
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Many if not most college Women's hockey teams use those smelling salts or ammonia or whatever they are.
 
pgb-ohio said:
I feel like I should be asking you why you're reading the UW Alumni Magazine. If I'm not mistaken, isn't St. Thomas your team of choice? (smiling emoticon here)

But the article is so good, I'm just going to set that aside. This is a fine narrative, amply documented with player and coach quotes. Any college hockey fan will enjoy this one; it's certainly not limited to the Badger Fan Base.

Congratulations to Author Megan Provost. Here's to hoping we hear from her again! Which I guess means that Steamboat is going to have to keep reading UW publications, and post the link when the time comes. (winking emoticon here)
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True about me backing St. Thomas. I was raised in St. Paul, so have a home town interest in their success. As I have also stated previously, on this thread, I was born in Wisconsin. I have siblings that live in Wisconsin. My uncle's farm in Somerset, where I lived until my father returned from military service, is still operating. I visit River Falls and Hudson for entertainment. Hudson is actually closer to me than some of the metro locations I work at every week.
I subscribe to the UpNorthNews, which comes out of Chippewa Falls. They are my source for a lot of interesting details about the state of Wisconsin. Whether working in Chicago and driving back to the Twin Cities, or visiting Arizona, Wisconsin is the state that gives my spirit comfort. So I keep up on Wisconsin topics.
I don't mind giving credit to the Badgers. My love is for hockey, and I am satisfied when the best team wins.
 
Steamboat said:
True about me backing St. Thomas. I was raised in St. Paul, so have a home town interest in their success. As I have also stated previously, on this thread, I was born in Wisconsin. I have siblings that live in Wisconsin. My uncle's farm in Somerset, where I lived until my father returned from military service, is still operating. I visit River Falls and Hudson for entertainment. Hudson is actually closer to me than some of the metro locations I work at every week.
I subscribe to the UpNorthNews, which comes out of Chippewa Falls. They are my source for a lot of interesting details about the state of Wisconsin. Whether working in Chicago and driving back to the Twin Cities, or visiting Arizona, Wisconsin is the state that gives my spirit comfort. So I keep up on Wisconsin topics.
I don't mind giving credit to the Badgers. My love is for hockey, and I am satisfied when the best team wins.
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But how did you happen to see that article?

I saw it back in December (?) when my paper copy of that alumni magazine came in the mail. Did you see it in print or online? To Tim's question, if online, why are you going to the web site of the UW Alumni Association, etc?
 
Patricio said:
Anyone have any information about Woz's injury and her playing status? Thanks.
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Yeah, she was getting on a bit of a roll. Interestingly LE's top 2 line time didn't last too long, but she did get some PK time this weekend and nearly had a shorty. I can't recall if she had any pp time.
 
robertearle said:
But how did you happen to see that article?

I saw it back in December (?) when my paper copy of that alumni magazine came in the mail. Did you see it in print or online? To Tim's question, if online, why are you going to the web site of the UW Alumni Association, etc?
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I think that you meant pub-ohio. I saw the link online at upnorthnewswi.com. If you are a Badger fan that might be a website to check out. I consume most anything about hockey, which is why I read that. Not seeing it mentioned on this thread I thought I would pass it on.
 
Steamboat said:
I think that you meant pub-ohio. I saw the link online at upnorthnewswi.com. If you are a Badger fan that might be a website to check out. I consume most anything about hockey, which is why I read that. Not seeing it mentioned on this thread I thought I would pass it on.
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glad you shared it, i would never have seen it otherwise, and I like reading about women’s hockey history.

Another anecdote about Bob Johnson… Ellen Weinberg Hughes used to go to his hockey school in the summer in the ‘80’s, despite her family living down in Texas.

when she wanted to be recruited at UNH for hockey, the coaches thought no way a Texas kid would be good enough. So she called Badger Bob who called Russ McCurdy, Coach at UNH. Johnson convinced McCurdy to let Weinberg try out….she eventually represented Team USA. She shared this anecdote on the cammi and aj podcast.

I think it’s so sweet, all the different archetypes of people who advanced girls and women’s hockey in their own way.
 
The interesting tidbit to me from the weekly presser was that at a hotel they stay at in Bemidji they have walleye on the menu for breakfast. MJ commented that it was a light breakfast that he enjoys. I wonder how they prepare it that makes it "light." Perhaps broiled and then used in an eggs Benedict would be kind of a light way to do it. He did stay at the hotel is right by the rink so I could do a little bit of Google searching at some point and try to find the menu lol. I wonder if he knows the Green Lantern in McFarland also has walleye on the menu for breakfast. I do believe it's just your typical fried there and used with your eggs your way etc. Whenever we go there I usually get the lobster omelette, but last year they discontinued it due to it supposedly being hard to get lobsters. Of course pick n save right down the street usually has them lol. The lobster omelette was surprisingly affordable hence maybe they just couldn't afford to make it anymore but then just raise the price and whoever can afford to pay it will pay it.
 
Thank you to Todd M for writing such a thorough article on how OT and shoot-outs affect weekend points. I guess I thought that under the new rules, an overtime win was a full win, and a shoot-out "win" was just an extra point added to the regulation tie. I do think that would be the better system, but I'm sure there are reasons it isn't used.
 
Gargoyle said:
Thank you to Todd M for writing such a thorough article on how OT and shoot-outs affect weekend points. I guess I thought that under the new rules, an overtime win was a full win, and a shoot-out "win" was just an extra point added to the regulation tie. I do think that would be the better system, but I'm sure there are reasons it isn't used.
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I agree, a win should be a win, whether it's in regulation or OT. 2 points for a win, 1 point if you win the shootout. Losers get nothing, hence being a loser.
 
Steamboat said:
True about me backing St. Thomas. I was raised in St. Paul, so have a home town interest in their success. As I have also stated previously, on this thread, I was born in Wisconsin. I have siblings that live in Wisconsin.
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Cool. It's good to get to know you a little better.

My uncle's farm in Somerset, where I lived until my father returned from military service, is still operating.
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What I hear you saying is that I've floated past your uncle's farm on an inner tube, and have spent wet money at your local Dairy Queen.


I visit River Falls and Hudson for entertainment. Hudson is actually closer to me than some of the metro locations I work at every week.
I subscribe to the UpNorthNews, which comes out of Chippewa Falls. They are my source for a lot of interesting details about the state of Wisconsin. Whether working in Chicago and driving back to the Twin Cities, or visiting Arizona, Wisconsin is the state that gives my spirit comfort. So I keep up on Wisconsin topics.
I don't mind giving credit to the Badgers. My love is for hockey, and I am satisfied when the best team wins.
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It's great to connect with someone who truly cares about the whole sport, not just one team. At least for me, that's a prime motivation to post on a national board like USCHO.


I think that you meant pub-ohio.
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Don't own a pub, but it's an intriguing thought! Pub Ohio has a nice ring to it. Or would that be The Pub Ohio?

I saw the link online at upnorthnewswi.com. If you are a Badger fan that might be a website to check out. I consume most anything about hockey, which is why I read that. Not seeing it mentioned on this thread I thought I would pass it on.
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Major thumbs up for passing it on. Although I've been playful here, I truly enjoyed the article. As did Lindsay, as did robertearle, and I presume many more.
 
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