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The Barr Has Been Raised at UMaine

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Drew S. said:
Funny that Larry is much more knowledgeable on Maine hockey than any of us here and he thinks Barr should keep Guite.
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Larry is a beat writer for UMaine, and has a long-standing relationship with Guite as a result.

So Larry is probably doing a favor for an old pal. What any good pal would do for their pal.

I'm guessing neither Barr nor AD Ralph consult with Larry in making key staffing decisions.

Larry knows incoming coaches from outside don't routinely hire folks from the last regime.

I'll give you this much, you seem doggedly determined to hamper the new guy's fresh start ...
 
walrus said:
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/05...KaGUtRGl8M99ZSCIPRtdC1YSEP2OPhrTZtVs18C-V_Lu8
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I call BS on Larry Mahoney's statement that Maine has the second lowest recruiting budget in Hockey East. First, how does he know how much the private schools spend? Really, if there is somewhere that information is made public please let me know so I can add it to my NCAA financial spreadsheet. Second, here are the actual reported recruiting expenses for the 6 public schools for 2019-20:

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[TD="class: xl70"]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, align: right"]47,721[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl70"]Maine[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, align: right"]70,812[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl70"]Massachusetts[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, align: right"]49,162[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl70"]New Hampshire[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, align: right"]63,748[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl70"]UMass Lowell[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, align: right"]54,797[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl70"]Vermont[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70, align: right"]31,097[/TD]
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As can be seen Maine spent the most on recruiting, and by 10% more than UNH. Now maybe, just maybe, Maine does budget recruiting at a much lower total sine the NCAA only requires reporting the actual expense amount. If so, then Maine regularly overspends on recruiting vs their budgeted amount.

Sean
 
Anyone see Larry Mahoney during the first virtual news conference with Barr? What an embarrassing "professional journalist". The guy looked like he just rolled out of bed....what a slob. Can't believe that the BDN con tines to pay that guy.
 
umhockey91 said:
Anyone see Larry Mahoney during the first virtual news conference with Barr? What an embarrassing "professional journalist". The guy looked like he just rolled out of bed....what a slob. Can't believe that the BDN con tines to pay that guy.
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I couldn’t sleep that night it bothered me so much.
 
Drew S. said:
Are you new here ;)

Funny that Larry is much more knowledgeable on Maine hockey than any of us here and he thinks Barr should keep Guite.
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He said Barr should consider them for the staff. That's not the same. He probably is considering them.
 
umhockey91 said:
Anyone see Larry Mahoney during the first virtual news conference with Barr? What an embarrassing "professional journalist". The guy looked like he just rolled out of bed....what a slob. Can't believe that the BDN con tines to pay that guy.
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Larry has looked like that his whole career, I think he likes that old style I've been up all night beat reporter look. Larry is a nice guy and fun to talk to at Alfond before a game. Now if we could get Dan Hannigan back on the radio
 
walrus said:
Larry has looked like that his whole career, I think he likes that old style I've been up all night beat reporter look. Larry is a nice guy and fun to talk to at Alfond before a game. Now if we could get Dan Hannigan back on the radio
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Oh I know what Larry's mo is......this was over-the-top. It was the stuff of nightmares.

He might be interesting to talk to.....but he don't know jack for being around college hockey and the area for 30+ years. He didn't even have Barr in his list of candidates. Duh!
 
umhockey91 said:
He didn't even have Barr in his list of candidates. Duh!
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Up until last week, the UMaine mentality had been to only seriously consider those from the so-called Walshy coaching tree. So Mahoney used that as his guide, it's not like it wasn't a tried-and-true method based on past results. The choice of Barr flew in the face of past UMaine conventional wisdom, that can't be understated, and you gotta give AD Ralph credit for that.

As a UNH fan, I'm frankly jealous not only of UMaine getting a real go-getter type for your new HC, but also for having an AD with a pair who's not afraid to upset the applecart to get to the right hire.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Up until last week, the UMaine mentality had been to only seriously consider those from the so-called Walshy coaching tree. So Mahoney used that as his guide, it's not like it wasn't a tried-and-true method based on past results. The choice of Barr flew in the face of past UMaine conventional wisdom, that can't be understated, and you gotta give AD Ralph credit for that.

As a UNH fan, I'm frankly jealous not only of UMaine getting a real go-getter type for your new HC, but also for having an AD with a pair who's not afraid to upset the applecart to get to the right hire.
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Barr coached under Leaman who coached under Walsh.
 
kahunak said:
UMASS fan here- not sure what the issues are in Orono if any, but if Barr needs to address things and he follows Carvel's approach, there will be a lot of turnover in the players. Carvel's approach was that he did not want any a**h***s on the team so many were moved on. That is why in his first year UMASS won only 5 games. In the long run, that approach paid big dividends. Of course, at the time, he was not under the spotlight like Barr will be at Maine.
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He did the same thing at PC
 
If anybody knows Chuck personally they should check in on him. His account here has been hacked - he's actually making a bit of sense in his last couple posts.
 
Drew S. said:
And one of the first people he coached with was Jim Montgomery who is obviously part of Shawn’s tree. Barr had known Ken Ralph for a long time as well. I’m really happy with him but it’s completley wrong to label him as an outsider.
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Has he ever been part of Maine hockey? He is an outsider
 
walrus said:
Has he ever been part of Maine hockey? He is an outsider
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Agreed Wally. Although it is interesting to see some of the folks on here trying to draw Barr into the Walshy coaching tree by using the brand-new "Three Degrees of Shawn Walsh" method, taken from the more widely-known "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" meme used for Hollywood connections.

Barr is an RPI guy, through and through. Played there, got his start in coaching there, and that's where he crossed paths with Ralph and Monty. Met up with Leaman (previously a short term UMaine volunteer assistant) at Union, before he followed him to Providence. Not denying Leaman was influenced by Walshy, but I think it's really a stretch to extend that influence to Barr. All of those guys do have an apparent common trait of fearlessness, but that's hardly unique to Walshy.

If the RPI job opens up again, it might be the only D-1 job Barr considers leaving UMaine for ... ?
 
Chuck Murray said:
Agreed Wally. Although it is interesting to see some of the folks on here trying to draw Barr into the Walshy coaching tree by using the brand-new "Three Degrees of Shawn Walsh" method, taken from the more widely-known "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" meme used for Hollywood connections.

Barr is an RPI guy, through and through. Played there, got his start in coaching there, and that's where he crossed paths with Ralph and Monty. Met up with Leaman (previously a short term UMaine volunteer assistant) at Union, before he followed him to Providence. Not denying Leaman was influenced by Walshy, but I think it's really a stretch to extend that influence to Barr. All of those guys do have an apparent common trait of fearlessness, but that's hardly unique to Walshy.

If the RPI job opens up again, it might be the only D-1 job Barr considers leaving UMaine for ... ?
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I think with any coach, leaving for an alma mater is always a risk but if Barr builds something at Maine, I don’t think it’s likely that he leaves for another rebuild.

It’s also probably a tougher rebuild than Maine as they have the scholarship limit. He’s at a hockey East school which there isn’t really a ceiling for. It’s a top 2 conference in the country. In my opinion, all of the hockey East schools with the exception of maybe Merrimack could be powerhouses with the right coaches in place. The state schools have the fan bases and the city schools have that going for them.

Really enjoyed my trip to Houston Field House when I went to see Maine in 2017, I would recommend for any college hockey fan.
 
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