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SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
If anything, there is too much religious freedom in this country. Your freedom of religion should end where fundamental human rights begin.
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Between 12/2019 and 08/2020, 65% of the City of Holland got up and argued renting to LGBT and employing LGBT violated their liberties. They lost 8-1.
 
That night, about 75 people spoke. I wager 60-65% of those were against the ordinance, and most of those people argued it violated their religious liberty.
 
MissThundercat said:
That night, about 75 people spoke. I wager 60-65% of those were against the ordinance, and most of those people argued it violated their religious liberty.
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I personally think that’s the very vocal minority. As I said above, the vast majority of even my most conservative friends at worst don’t care either way. If pressed, they’d probably say they want gay marriage legal if it meant people would shut up about it. Most, though, are in favor of it. Certainly not enough to speak out or make it a priority for a platform. But even that’s changing.

I’m not going to pretend like gay marriage is the only thing we need for equality, that once it’s legal we can declare victory. But it’s a huge step and should help pave the way for quicker movement towards the ultimate goal.

Edit: Then again, I rolled 20s and I live in a liberal city in a fairly liberal state.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Republicans are going to die on this hill. May as well let them hang themselves.
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It's win win. They get their judge and they get rid of Trump. They literally have nothing to fear about a Biden admin. They can stall and delay things they don't like, plus then they can start playing the blame game and position themselves for the next election.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I personally think that’s the very vocal minority. As I said above, the vast majority of even my most conservative friends at worst don’t care either way. If pressed, they’d probably say they want gay marriage legal if it meant people would shut up about it. Most, though, are in favor of it. Certainly not enough to speak out or make it a priority for a platform. But even that’s changing.
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Holland is the most conservative city in what is traditionally the most conservative area of Michigan, but I tend to agree that the people who showed up to speak represented the bigots who felt the most motivated to oppose the ordinance. That said, your conservative friends not caring isn't much better than them openly opposing same sex marriage - similar to 'Good Germans', it means they'll go along with whatever those in power enact.
 
sagard said:
It's win win. They get their judge and they get rid of Trump. They literally have nothing to fear about a Biden admin. They can stall and delay things they don't like, plus then they can start playing the blame game and position themselves for the next election.
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Stalling out only works if the Dems choose to keep current rules in place which they wont.
 
Handyman said:
Stalling out only works if the Dems choose to keep current rules in place which they wont.
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The media will call everything they do overreach. The next Tea Party will take over in 2022 and Biden will be stalled out.

What the Democrats need to do in the next two years is figure out how to prevent that from happening.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
The media will call everything they do overreach. The next Tea Party will take over in 2022 and Biden will be stalled out.

What the Democrats need to do in the next two years is figure out how to prevent that from happening.
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Again I dont think the map works that way unless something catastrophic happens. I think the media will give a bit of reprieve on the "Biden is overreaching" meme until 2023 as the 2024 election heats up. Since Biden isnt hated by them like Hillary was (especially the Times) he might even get a little help.

A lot will ride though on who becomes Majority Leader. I would assume at the moment Schumer is the favorite and he would never do anything that would be seen as overreach. He is way too spineless for that. If it is someone else though...well then who knows how the media will react to that.
 
SJHovey said:
There is constant nibbling at it. There is constant nibbling at pretty much every constitutional term or provision. That's the process, and I'm entirely cool with it. City Councils or Legislatures or Congress enact a law they think is good that nibbles at the boundary of what may or may not be constitutionally protected religious rights, second amendment rights, privacy rights, etc... The courts then decide whether they went too far or not. Great. That's our process.

You're telling me there are no laws regulating firearms in this country? There are all kinds of laws, most of which I think are excellent.

It's just that the laws you want, a complete ban on private ownership, haven't been enacted and/or would never be found to be constitutional.
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I think you’re confusing rights and preferences.

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It’s your right to not marry another man, and for your religion to endorse only heterosexual marriages. It’s not your religion’s right to stop people of different backgrounds from doing those things your religion argues is wrong. At that point it becomes their preference that people outside their religious sphere of influence not engage in homosexual relationships/marriages.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Holland is the most conservative city in what is traditionally the most conservative area of Michigan, but I tend to agree that the people who showed up to speak represented the bigots who felt the most motivated to oppose the ordinance. That said, your conservative friends not caring isn't much better than them openly opposing same sex marriage - similar to 'Good Germans', it means they'll go along with whatever those in power enact.
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You’re not wrong. But it’s a massive shift from a decade ago where they were opposed to it. That’s my point.
 
Handyman said:
A lot will ride though on who becomes Majority Leader. I would assume at the moment Schumer is the favorite and he would never do anything that would be seen as overreach. He is way too spineless for that. If it is someone else though...well then who knows how the media will react to that.
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Fck that noise. Schumer is useless.

Warren would be great.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Fck that noise. Schumer is useless.

Warren would be great.
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Warren is a technician (economics) like Ron Wyden (science), not a politician. Chuck Schumer is going to be SML. My choice would be Dick Durbin. Maybe Jack Reed though Dr. Mrs. thinks he is headed for DOD. Mark Warner maybe? Tammy Baldwin sometime down the line.
 
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Kepler said:
Warren is a technician (economics) like Ron Wyden (science), not a politician. Chuck Schumer is going to be SML. My choice would be Dick Durbin. Maybe Jack Reed though Dr. Mrs. thinks he is headed for DOD. Mark Warner maybe? Tammy Baldwin sometime down the line.
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My bad, I forgot that we're not allowed to give the keys to the smartest people in this country, just the loudest, most entitled, and most useless people.
 
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