Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[LynahFan]

What are those consequences?

Many have still not been defined, as the COVID-vaccine era is just emerging. But as others have pointed out, some airlines (a.k.a. private companies) are already choosing not to offer service to unvaccinated customers. I can foresee many other private businesses doing the same. There is no doubt that nearly all public schools will require it for employees soon (many already do, more in the works all the time), and once there are vaccines available for children, those will be required, too (same as many vaccines already are required for enrollment today). Eventually, most universities will require it for enrollment as well. I'm sure that many health care companies require it of their employees, too, as most already do for flu or hepatitis.

So yes, you can choose not to get a vaccine, but you will be opting out of air travel, public education, college education, opportunity to work in health care, etc, etc. And yet, as isolated as they will be, I know that millions of luddites will still choose to (literally) die on this hill. Good riddance.

 

[bronconick]

I suspect a lot of those businesses will wait until the FDA gives their "official" rather than current emergency authorization.

 

[SJHovey]

I have heard of no such thing either.

Again, very simple question. And I’ll add to it since there seems to be a theme about consequences.

Does someone have the right to wait to take the vaccine until it has been fully FDA approved? If your answer is yes but their are consequences, what are the consequences?

I can think of all kinds of consequences, first and foremost of which is you might get sick or die from the disease.

Additional consequences pointed out by others here include your employer can choose to no longer employ you, businesses can choose to no longer do business with you, places of public accommodation may choose to no longer allow you to enter, friends may choose to no longer be in your presence, etc...

But yes, a person can choose to not take the vaccine.

 

[Swansong]

I'm a bit hesitant to mandate not-yet-fully-approved vaccines, but at the same time I understand fully that the objections from trollbot and other idiots are absolutely not made in good faith, so F em.

 

[Kepler]

I'm a bit hesitant to mandate not-yet-fully-approved vaccines, but at the same time I understand fully that the objections from trollbot and other idiots are absolutely not made in good faith, so F em.

Exactly.

The privilege of being granted an audience is not predicated only on having a point to make, but also on having a good will. Those who are insincere lose the privilege of being heard.

 

[Swansong]

At the same time, it's a recipe for bad policy to ignore a genuinely important point because it's raised by a dishonest party.

All the same, no quarter for the dishonest after 4 years of Trump.

 

[BassAle]

I suspect a lot of those businesses will wait until the FDA gives their "official" rather than current emergency authorization.

I know my company is not making it mandatory (at least for now), but says employees are "highly encouraged" to take the vaccine at their earliest opportunity. Most of the people dealing with covid samples have been vaccinated. They also don't "require" the flu vaccination, but they do make it available on-site for free (and if I remember right, there is financial incentive for getting it).

This is a biomedical research org with facilities in three states plus China, and most of the C-level execs have PhDs (and in some cases are M.D.s as well). Not to mention the CEO basically ran Singapore's SARS response, so they're pretty well versed in pandemic response and vaccination.

I'm not sure if they'll ever make it required, but I definitely don't expect them to require it before full FDA approval.

Doesn't matter to me though, as I'm reassigned permanent work from home and I've already been vaccinated anyway (it would be nice to go back on site once in a while, and also travel to other campuses to see some of my colleagues in other states -- we were just rolling out direct charter flights between our Maine and Connecticut locations, making a couple round trips per week, before the pandemic hit so I'm bummed I never got a chance to take the flight).

 

[dxmnkd316]

There is no doubt that nearly all public schools will require it for employees soon (many already do, more in the works all the time), and once there are vaccines available for children, those will be required, too (same as many vaccines already are required for enrollment today). Eventually, most universities will require it for enrollment as well. I'm sure that many health care companies require it of their employees, too, as most already do for flu or hepatitis..

Not bloody likely, unfortunately. HOspitals aren't requiring their employees get it.

 

[Handyman]

I think if you refuse the vaccine over "rights" then the hospital should be allowed to not treat your COVID if you get it. Something something consequences...

 

[St. Clown]

I can’t seem to get the link to copy right now (I’m clearly doing something stupid), but Popular Sciences has a story that white-tailed deer have tested positive for COVID-19 in lab studies.

Wisconsin is screwed.

 

[Kepler]

I can’t seem to get the link to copy right now (I’m clearly doing something stupid), but Popular Sciences has a story that white-tailed deer have tested positive for COVID-19 in lab studies.

Wisconsin is screwed.

It's not bad unless it can jump back over, right?

Or does human --> deer <--> deer --> human?

 

[LynahFan]

Not bloody likely, unfortunately. HOspitals aren't requiring their employees get it.

Not yet, but if it really proves out to be as safe and effective as it currently appears, I think they will in the long run.

 

[St. Clown]

It's not bad unless it can jump back over, right?

Or does human --> deer <--> deer --> human?

The article states that they’re testing these deer because their “ACE2 cell receptors, which is what the novel coronavirus binds to, is very similar to that of humans.”

 

[Slap Shot]

It's not bad unless it can jump back over, right?

Or does human --> deer <--> deer --> human?

In WI no deer is safe from human "contact".

 

[Kepler]

In WI no deer is safe from human "contact".

In fairness, I should have seen that coming.

 

[Swansong]

Not bloody likely, unfortunately. HOspitals aren't requiring their employees get it.

Not now, no, since it's EUA and not fully approved. But my hospital requires a flu shot as a condition of employment so I anticipate that COVID will be the same once it gets full approval.

 

[burd]

In WI no deer is safe from human "contact".

Ha! Ron Johnson says "close contact" with deer actually protects against the chinee flu even better than hydroxychloroquine.

Ron Johnson knows deer.

 

[Slap Shot]

Ha! Ron Johnson says "close contact" with deer actually protects against the chinee flu even better than hydroxychloroquine.

Ron Johnson knows deer.

:^)

 

[rufus]

Many have still not been defined, as the COVID-vaccine era is just emerging. But as others have pointed out, some airlines (a.k.a. private companies) are already choosing not to offer service to unvaccinated customers. I can foresee many other private businesses doing the same. There is no doubt that nearly all public schools will require it for employees soon (many already do, more in the works all the time), and once there are vaccines available for children, those will be required, too (same as many vaccines already are required for enrollment today). Eventually, most universities will require it for enrollment as well. I'm sure that many health care companies require it of their employees, too, as most already do for flu or hepatitis.

So yes, you can choose not to get a vaccine, but you will be opting out of air travel, public education, college education, opportunity to work in health care, etc, etc. And yet, as isolated as they will be, I know that millions of luddites will still choose to (literally) die on this hill. Good riddance.

That's ok, cause then they can get together with their fellow unwashed masses and storm the US capitol building, because government doesn't look out for their interests anymore.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Not now, no, since it's EUA and not fully approved. But my hospital requires a flu shot as a condition of employment so I anticipate that COVID will be the same once it gets full approval.

Interesting, because neither of the two largest hospital chains in the Twin Cities require it. You need to get one or watch a 30-minute video about infectious disease control or something like that.