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Your new Los Angeles Vikings

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Brenthoven said:
So (this is my understanding from what I've read), despite requiring a public referendum/vote for monies spent that total more than $10MM, you're okay for the politicians to just say, "Nah, that doesn't really mean we have to have one."?
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Yes, without losing an ounce of sleep.

[edit] btw I wonder what % of stadiums are built without public assistance...
 
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Slap Shot said:
Yes, without losing an ounce of sleep.

[edit] btw I wonder what % of stadiums are built without public assistance...
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Both the TD Garden and Gillette were built with private money, due to the graft due to the public service unions and politicians in Boston. The Verizon Center was also 100% private.
 
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sagard said:
http://www.startribune.com/local/yourvoices/143909816.html

Rooting for the Republicans to do the fiscally conservative thing is such a helpless feeling. No excuses for passing some POS bill now. Have the discussion again next year, the Vikes aren't leaving.
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And if you are wrong? Better yet what makes you think the Legislature will find a way to do it next year? (they wont btw all the same problems will exist so it is no more justified in a year than it is now) The Vikes and the NFL dont trust they can that is why they put on the full court press now.

You dont let the team become free agents which they become Monday if nothing is passed.

It is going to be funny to watch people like you trying to stop this whining about the inevitable later on...will take off a bit of the sting.
 
joecct said:
Both the TD Garden and Gillette were built with private money, due to the graft due to the public service unions and politicians in Boston. The Verizon Center was also 100% private.
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that doesn't come close to answering my question
 
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I really hate to see a city that has a tradition like the Vikings lose their team. L.A. shouldn't get another bite at the apple because they've failed numerous times with teams. Besides, isn't USC a professional team. :D (Just kidding.)

Also, if Minnesota can leave, Buffalo can pick up stakes and move as well. The pols are playing chicken and if no one moves, there's going to be a big wreck.
 
Handyman said:
And if you are wrong? Better yet what makes you think the Legislature will find a way to do it next year? (they wont btw all the same problems will exist so it is no more justified in a year than it is now) The Vikes and the NFL dont trust they can that is why they put on the full court press now.

You dont let the team become free agents which they become Monday if nothing is passed.

It is going to be funny to watch people like you trying to stop this whining about the inevitable later on...will take off a bit of the sting.
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If I'm wrong the Vikes leave. We will all be better off. Your right about tons of stuff, but neither me or people like me will shed a tear if the Vikes move on. Anyone who has read on Stadium issues knows what a fleecing they are.
 
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The dome has paid back its invested public funds times ten...and that doesn't include the tax revenues from Viking operations.

When this legislature gets sacked due to losing the Vikings, I'll have to make sure they don't end up as my financial advisor. ;)
 
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sagard said:
If I'm wrong the Vikes leave. We will all be better off. Your right about tons of stuff, but neither me or people like me will shed a tear if the Vikes move on. Anyone who has read on Stadium issues knows what a fleecing they are.
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Fine, you and your ilk forfeit all right to whine in 5 years about the lack of an NFL team. Most of you (not you probably) are frauds anyways on this subject just like your hero Zellers.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I honestly don't think it can given only the Twins take up the summer months and therefore you have 3 franchises competing not only with each other but the U. Is there a metro area this size with 4 pro sports and a Div I program?
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Denver.

What would really be a kick in the balls is if the team left for LA and then won a SB. Something like that would make me want that turd of a city to be destroyed by an earthquake. Plus it'd be the second team we've lost to LA (the first being the Lakers - humorous they kept that name given it makes no sense whatsoever out there).
 
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Bakunin said:
Denver.

What would really be a kick in the balls is if the team left for LA and then won a SB. Something like that would make me want that turd of a city to be destroyed by an earthquake.
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See ya down in Arizona Bay ;)

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Bakunin said:
Denver.

What would really be a kick in the balls is if the team left for LA and then won a SB. Something like that would make me want that turd of a city to be destroyed by an earthquake. Plus it'd be the second team we've lost to LA (the first being the Lakers - humorous they kept that name given it makes no sense whatsoever out there).
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Indeed. Have to throw out this quote from BasketBall:

"The Lakers moved to Los Angeles where there are no lakes. The Jazz moved to Utah where they don't allow music."
 
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Its game day.

At the fan site SB Nation Minnesota, Christopher Gates writes: “If the vote goes Minnesota's way, then Viking fans from coast to coast and border to border will breathe a sigh of relief and know that their team dodged a pretty significant bullet. If it doesn't go Minnesota's way, there's a very good chance that this will be the last season of NFL football in Minnesota. The Vikings have made it clear that they are not playing any longer in the Metrodome without a new stadium agreement in place. If this bill gets shot down, owner Zygi Wilf will likely either declare his intention to move the team, or he'll put the team on the market and sell them to someone that will."

"In my perspective ... and it pains me to say this ... but if the Vikings leave Minnesota, the chances of the NFL coming back to Minnesota are somewhere between slim and none."
 
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They're gone. I have zero faith in the politicians to not screw this up. Guess I can be a Packer fan now.
 
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What's the deal with the Vikings' truck and the couple small tents and banners out in front of the capitol? They've been there every day for the past week like a rally is planned but there's never more than about four people sitting there, and I go by there multiple times daily. The one banner that included "Don't become the 3rd Dakota" was somewhat amusing, at least.
 
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Bob Sansevere: On the Vikings' stadium vote and politics

Too bad some legislators want to use their stadium vote as a bargaining chip to get what they want in other bills. Nobody loves the idea of subsidizing wealthy team owners, but these politicians need to realize that if the stadium is voted down, the Vikings could be gone. They also need to realize that the party - Republican or DFL - deemed by Vikings fans to have shot down the vote will suffer in upcoming elections.

Mark Rosen On Stadium: ‘The Time Is Now'

Last week was a complete clown show in St. Paul. Look, we all have stadium fatigue, but it’s time to quit worrying about saving face and partisan politics and the horse trading, step up and do what virtually every other big league community has done. They’ve had plenty of time to figure it out.

Some people are going to be unhappy no matter how the vote goes, but like it or not, House speaker Kurt Zellers will have the tag on the guy who drove the Vikings out of Minnesota if it fails.

This is it. Trust me. The NFL will not be coming back this way.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Its game day.

At the fan site SB Nation Minnesota, Christopher Gates writes: “If the vote goes Minnesota's way, then Viking fans from coast to coast and border to border will breathe a sigh of relief and know that their team dodged a pretty significant bullet. If it doesn't go Minnesota's way, there's a very good chance that this will be the last season of NFL football in Minnesota. The Vikings have made it clear that they are not playing any longer in the Metrodome without a new stadium agreement in place. If this bill gets shot down, owner Zygi Wilf will likely either declare his intention to move the team, or he'll put the team on the market and sell them to someone that will."

"In my perspective ... and it pains me to say this ... but if the Vikings leave Minnesota, the chances of the NFL coming back to Minnesota are somewhere between slim and none."
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Not here nor there really, but I wonder if the bolded is true. Say you're a fan of a team in Minnesota, but you've never even been there. Do you really care where they play?
 
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Funny that is was arch liberal Massachusetts that told both the Red Sox and the Patriots to get lost when they wanted public funds to build a stadium. Now Gillette stadium and the renovations to Fenway have been privately funded.

Public financing of football stadiums is a stupid idea. It preys on civic pride and short sighted politicians who aren't going to be footing the bill. An arena that has 8 events a year isn't going to impact the economy all that much. I think it was Baltimore that forked over 300B for the Ravens. Great, there's 600 murders a year and 95% of the city is a war zone, but hey, we got ourselves a shiny new stadium.

If the Vikings leave, guess what - Jax is going to need a new city soon enough. Better yet, let some big ego wannabe owner plop down money for an expansion team and give him a free place to play in an existing facility until he wants to build his own arena.
 
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