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Yale - The best team in the country?
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Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
There's alot of good teams out there right now..
UMD playing solid
UND is a notorious 2nd half team and they are playing lights out right now, (my favorite to win it all)
UNO will be in the mix (Blaze is arguably the best bench boss in the WCHA)
BC
Denver
Yale
I think its a little presumptious to think Yale is the best in the Country at this point...
~cheers
There's alot of good teams out there right now..
UMD playing solid
UND is a notorious 2nd half team and they are playing lights out right now, (my favorite to win it all)
UNO will be in the mix (Blaze is arguably the best bench boss in the WCHA)
BC
Denver
Yale
I think its a little presumptious to think Yale is the best in the Country at this point...
~cheers
SteveF
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bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
I would have gone with the American Gladiator.
cross cheque
Make the playoffs, not war.
Yale website has a media link it was less than $10. UVM had a terrible man advantage approach, it was aggrevating to watch.
cross cheque
Make the playoffs, not war.
You love men not logic, chief.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
Your logic goes about as far as "they have a weaker strength of schedule than the other teams." You can only ride that just so far, skippy. Logic would dictate that one should look at a vast multitude of criteria before passing judgment, but I wouldn't do that if I were you, it might undermine your position.
Your logic goes about as far as "they have a weaker strength of schedule than the other teams." You can only ride that just so far, skippy. Logic would dictate that one should look at a vast multitude of criteria before passing judgment, but I wouldn't do that if I were you, it might undermine your position.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
It seems alot of guys agree with the Goon. The Western teams and teams like BC, they say, are better because they play a "harder" schedule and because they've always been better, and they...just...are...better.
I decided to take a close look at the comparative records of UMD, UND, DU, BC and UNO and some of their opponents so far this year to test this argument and see how much better, based on common opponents, UMD, UND, DU, BC and UNO really are than Yale.
Here's what I found.
First I looked at UMD and found that while they have some good wins, they had some "non-wins" against teams whose opponents lost to Yale. UMD tied the power that is Lake St., giving up 6 goals. Lake, I saw, lost to Clarkson 2-1. Clarkson lost to Cornell 6-1. Yale beat Cornell 4-2. Hmmm, not sure you can say UMD is better on the basis of those scores.
Well, I thought, let's try another opponent. UMD tied Bemidji State 1-1. Bemidji lost to Northern Michigan 4 - 0. NMU lost to Bowling Green 2-1. Bowling Green lost to Rensselear 3-2. And Rensselear lost to Yale 4-2.
Whoops, something's wrong here, I said to myself. Let's try another comparison. UMD lost to UND, which truly is a power (forget about Yale sneaking up on the unsuspecting Sioux last Spring in the playoffs. And, anyway, that was last year.) But UND lost to Maine 7-3. Maine lost to BC 4-0 and BC lost to Vermont 5-3. And Vermont lost to Yale last night 3-0.
Well, I thought, maybe DU's comparative scores hold up better. Let's see: DU lost to BC twice, tied Vermont, and lost to UMD. See above...the results against those opponents don't seem to prove the point. Wait a second, DU lost to Colorado College 9-2. Isn't that the team Yale beat 5-1 a week later? Thought so. So much for DU's comparative record.
What about UNO, I thought. Maybe UNO is demonstrably better than Yale. Let's see... UNO lost twice to powerhouse Bemidji...and Bemidji...whoops, Bemidji lost to NMU, which lost to...we know where that ends. And UNO lost to UND, and we know where that comparison ends, too.
I ran through a few more comparisons and the problem is that at this point in the season Yale has only one loss and all the rest have four or more "non-wins". If you trace through the comparisons (other than through Yale's one loss to Air Force which although not good was perhaps explainable) Yale always comes out on top. Its hard to reach any conclusion other than that Yale is correctly ranked no. 1 at this point in the season.
Now, having gone through all the above I will agree with everyone who says that December rankings prove nothing and predict nothing about where anyone ends up in April. My point is not that Yale will necessarily win anything, let alone a national championship. My point is simply that UMD, DU, UND, BC and UNO are not demonstrably better at this point in the season and Yale probably deserves the number one ranking, for whatever its worth. It certainly makes us, Yale's fans, proud of the enormous progress and increasing success the program has enjoyed over the past five years.
It seems alot of guys agree with the Goon. The Western teams and teams like BC, they say, are better because they play a "harder" schedule and because they've always been better, and they...just...are...better.
I decided to take a close look at the comparative records of UMD, UND, DU, BC and UNO and some of their opponents so far this year to test this argument and see how much better, based on common opponents, UMD, UND, DU, BC and UNO really are than Yale.
Here's what I found.
First I looked at UMD and found that while they have some good wins, they had some "non-wins" against teams whose opponents lost to Yale. UMD tied the power that is Lake St., giving up 6 goals. Lake, I saw, lost to Clarkson 2-1. Clarkson lost to Cornell 6-1. Yale beat Cornell 4-2. Hmmm, not sure you can say UMD is better on the basis of those scores.
Well, I thought, let's try another opponent. UMD tied Bemidji State 1-1. Bemidji lost to Northern Michigan 4 - 0. NMU lost to Bowling Green 2-1. Bowling Green lost to Rensselear 3-2. And Rensselear lost to Yale 4-2.
Whoops, something's wrong here, I said to myself. Let's try another comparison. UMD lost to UND, which truly is a power (forget about Yale sneaking up on the unsuspecting Sioux last Spring in the playoffs. And, anyway, that was last year.) But UND lost to Maine 7-3. Maine lost to BC 4-0 and BC lost to Vermont 5-3. And Vermont lost to Yale last night 3-0.
Well, I thought, maybe DU's comparative scores hold up better. Let's see: DU lost to BC twice, tied Vermont, and lost to UMD. See above...the results against those opponents don't seem to prove the point. Wait a second, DU lost to Colorado College 9-2. Isn't that the team Yale beat 5-1 a week later? Thought so. So much for DU's comparative record.
What about UNO, I thought. Maybe UNO is demonstrably better than Yale. Let's see... UNO lost twice to powerhouse Bemidji...and Bemidji...whoops, Bemidji lost to NMU, which lost to...we know where that ends. And UNO lost to UND, and we know where that comparison ends, too.
I ran through a few more comparisons and the problem is that at this point in the season Yale has only one loss and all the rest have four or more "non-wins". If you trace through the comparisons (other than through Yale's one loss to Air Force which although not good was perhaps explainable) Yale always comes out on top. Its hard to reach any conclusion other than that Yale is correctly ranked no. 1 at this point in the season.
Now, having gone through all the above I will agree with everyone who says that December rankings prove nothing and predict nothing about where anyone ends up in April. My point is not that Yale will necessarily win anything, let alone a national championship. My point is simply that UMD, DU, UND, BC and UNO are not demonstrably better at this point in the season and Yale probably deserves the number one ranking, for whatever its worth. It certainly makes us, Yale's fans, proud of the enormous progress and increasing success the program has enjoyed over the past five years.
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cross cheque
Make the playoffs, not war.
You mean besides the fact that scoring 5 goals per game against teams that get their best players from the special Olympics? Or that a quarter inch cookie sheet has more depth than any EZAC team? "skippy" down to the dock, paddle 5 miles out to sea, and drill a hole in your canoe.
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
There are better "best" threads in the archives.
There are better "best" threads in the archives.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
I win the logic battle if that is your reply, since that's a nonsensical argument seething with butthurt and again, resorting to the only scrap of data amongst a whole mountain of it that, if considered by itself, might support your argument. How many did they need to score to make you happy, slapnuts? Six? Eight? That's why this is a ridiculous argument.
If you can offer me nothing but racist comments in response, I don't feel much of a need to continue a battle I've already won. I don't lock horns with dimwits.
I win the logic battle if that is your reply, since that's a nonsensical argument seething with butthurt and again, resorting to the only scrap of data amongst a whole mountain of it that, if considered by itself, might support your argument. How many did they need to score to make you happy, slapnuts? Six? Eight? That's why this is a ridiculous argument.
If you can offer me nothing but racist comments in response, I don't feel much of a need to continue a battle I've already won. I don't lock horns with dimwits.
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
tUMD will play Clarkson in a few weeks. Let's take a peek then.
tUMD also BEAT Buttmidji and beat NMU. And what is NDU? Notre Dame?
Ah, you're schizophrenic. I understand now.
Ah yes, tUMD and UND split. Interesting how that's left out.
DU split with tUMD. Again, fascinating how that's left out. You know, when two good teams play each other, one of the good teams has to lose. Well, there could be two ties, I suppose, but that's still a split. Oh, wait, you don't know, because your team doesn't play any good teams!
I don't give a **** about UNO.
I love how your one loss is "explainable" but tUMD's tie against LSSU is unforgiveable. Fascinating. What are these "few more comparisons" of which you speak?
Whoa there! Mothers, don't drink alcohol when you're pregnant. You produce Eph72.
Are there any Yale fans on here that actually graduated from Yale? Because almost every Yale fan on here is acting like a ****ing moron.
tUMD will play Clarkson in a few weeks. Let's take a peek then.
tUMD also BEAT Buttmidji and beat NMU. And what is NDU? Notre Dame?
Ah, you're schizophrenic. I understand now.
Ah yes, tUMD and UND split. Interesting how that's left out.
DU split with tUMD. Again, fascinating how that's left out. You know, when two good teams play each other, one of the good teams has to lose. Well, there could be two ties, I suppose, but that's still a split. Oh, wait, you don't know, because your team doesn't play any good teams!
I don't give a **** about UNO.
I love how your one loss is "explainable" but tUMD's tie against LSSU is unforgiveable. Fascinating. What are these "few more comparisons" of which you speak?
Whoa there! Mothers, don't drink alcohol when you're pregnant. You produce Eph72.
Are there any Yale fans on here that actually graduated from Yale? Because almost every Yale fan on here is acting like a ****ing moron.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
I am just saying that “if” Yale had played a schedule like say UND, DU, BU, ND or B.C. and had compiled a record playing those quality teams week in and week out, and not the weak sisters of the poor, I think most of us would be impressed. I think any of the aforementioned teams could rack up the goal totals like Yale has. I don’t think it’s anything special… When you team plays the toughest schedule in the NCAA to date and goes 11-5-2 then you can color me impressed.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
RWD how dare you bring a gun to a gun fight... Er, I mean use logic in an argument.
Basically when an EZAC wins an NCAA title then come talk to me.
RWD how dare you bring a gun to a gun fight... Er, I mean use logic in an argument.
Basically when an EZAC wins an NCAA title then come talk to me.Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
RWD how dare you bring a gun to a gun fight... Er, I mean use logic in an argument.
A gun? I pretty much rolled up in a tank. This is hilarious!
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
Don't kid yourself, they graduated from Yale, it's just fallen that far.
Don't kid yourself, they graduated from Yale, it's just fallen that far.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
No, that's not what they say... that's just what you want to here because it's easier to tear down that straw man. What they actually say is that Yale is a good team but until they actually beat anyone of substance then "they" are withholding judgement regard them being the BEST team in the country.
No, that's not what they say... that's just what you want to here because it's easier to tear down that straw man. What they actually say is that Yale is a good team but until they actually beat anyone of substance then "they" are withholding judgement regard them being the BEST team in the country.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
RPI (twice). Cornell (twice). Harvard.
Fail. Swinging around the dopey "EZAC" like a hammer, that's totally winning you points, too.
RWD how dare you bring a gun to a gun fight... Er, I mean use logic in an argument.
RPI (twice). Cornell (twice). Harvard.
Fail. Swinging around the dopey "EZAC" like a hammer, that's totally winning you points, too.
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
That's pretty much what you're saying, yes. The only argument against Yale that I've seen here is that "they play an easy schedule" and the rational thought train stops right there without any additional critical thinking - especially from you.
That's pretty much what you're saying, yes. The only argument against Yale that I've seen here is that "they play an easy schedule" and the rational thought train stops right there without any additional critical thinking - especially from you.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?
*facepalm*
I hope you didn't spend too much time doing something this stupid. Transitive property is worthless in sports.
*facepalm*
I hope you didn't spend too much time doing something this stupid. Transitive property is worthless in sports.