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Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread

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LTsatch said:
QU is kind of like Cybil, you never know which team will show up, with a sellout at the bank they are going to be flying high, lets just hope Yale does not react like they did at RPI in front of a hostile home crowd.
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At least both places in the standings are still in doubt. With Yale having already clinched last year it seemed to take some of the bight out of the game. Should be a dandy Friday!
 
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Boola said:
I think it might be time to end the IVY Shootout.
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Maybe (and maybe we'll have no choice if the others don't want to continue) but I think it makes a certain amount of sense; it sacrifices strength of schedule, for which Yale has been pummeled by fans of Western teams particularly, but: (a) it certainly doesn't seem to hurt you in the pairwise (which may just be an underweighting of strength-of-schedule in RPI); and (b) it means that your first game isn't against a team that has already been playing for a couple of weeks.

Now, if you think you have to have tough non-ECAC games on your schedules to toughen you up for the NCAA's, that suggests ending it. On the other hand, those games are pretty far away by the time you get to March, and starting with a couple of losses puts you in a pretty deep hole to start.

Yale has the same problem in football, of course. For years, they used to solve this problem by starting with an Ivy game before trundling off to the interleague schedule. They cancelled that policy, and Yale has compensated by scheduling clearly inferior Georgetown, allowing them a really good chance at a win, even though Georgetown has usually played two games before Yale starts its season. (I think the series with G'town is done now.) But this is less controversial because of the idiotic decision not to let football teams continue to the playoffs.

In theory, when you only get seven out-of-conference games, you ought to have a mix of some easy warmup wins and some tough showcase games. If it could be accommodated (at least on current form) it would be ideal to get Sacred Heart and UConn to the start of the season -- then you could schedule tougher non-ECAC games in the fall (I agree that getting BC into Ingalls will be great), but that will depend on the willingness ability of our CT neighbors to do it.
 
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I will be in standing room Friday night and look forward to the game. Yale needs an emphatic win at The Bank, nothing else will suffice.
 
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goblue78 said:
For those not fortunate enough to have a ticket, I just found out the game will be televised: http://www.quinnipiacbobcats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17500&ATCLID=205085269 and I presume everyone knows that Sunday's game is on ESPNU.
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Also game time has been changed to 8pm from 7pm. Quite a cool thing for all CT residents to be able to see the Friday game. The amount of hockey related stuff, between the outdoor games at the Rent and all of the States D-1 hockey schools really promoting or at least supporting their teams is a great thing. It has actually restored my faith in the game in CT.
 
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A win is a must, but Little and Kearney need to get their magic going again. They were so amazing the first half of the season, but Yale's troubles followed after their stalling out. The seniors could potentially be down to their last seven games-- they'll need to pick it up to get a few more contests into their college careers.
 
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licwinko said:
A win is a must, but Little and Kearney need to get their magic going again. They were so amazing the first half of the season, but Yale's troubles followed after their stalling out. The seniors could potentially be down to their last seven games-- they'll need to pick it up to get a few more contests into their college careers.
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Anyone have an extra ticket for Friday night. I'm travelling solo due to late start, and wouldn't mind meeting up with some USCHO Yale fans in the process.
 
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Anyone have an extra ticket for Friday night. I'm travelling solo due to late start, and wouldn't mind meeting up with some USCHO Yale fans in the process.
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Just get there at like five, walk in like you're supposed to be there and hide in the bathroom.

I'll also keep my ears open for an extras floating around.
 
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licwinko said:
Just get there at like five, walk in like you're supposed to be there and hide in the bathroom.
I'll also keep my ears open for an extras floating around.
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I am supposed to be there :)
Unfortunately, can't make it that early.....
 
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We all know that Yale has built a pretty solid PWR, and barring a complete collapse will make the NCAA tournament. We also know that regardless of where Yale finishes, Yale will play in Bridgeport, so Yale's ultimate ranking is not all that important.

However, I thought it might be interesting to see how Yale compares to each team under consideration (TUC) in order to see what factors are likely to influence each comparison. Unfortunately, the PWR has so many moving pieces that it is almost impossible to predict any sort of outcome at this point in the season. Since inter-conference play is over (as far as I know) and Yale did not play that many non-conference games, two of the PWR components, record against common opponents (COP) and head-to-head comparison will likely not change that much over the rest of the season.

Therefore, I have made the following list as to how Yale compares against the other TUCs with respect to which team might have the comparison advantage. As you may guess there are still a large number of teams that have too many moving parts to make any sort of assertions, and RPI may end up being the most important PWR comparison factor. So for whatever it is worth, here are my conclusions:

Too many variables to determine:
Union, Dartmouth, RPI, Princeton, Cornell, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Minnesota State, RIT and Robert Morris

RPI determines winner of comparison:
Michigan, Miami, Notre Dame and Col. College

Yale must win both RPI and TUC to win comparison:
West. Michigan, Ferris State, Alaska

Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC:
North Dakota and St. Cloud State

Boston College - if Yale does not loose to or tie Colgate, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Denver - unless Denver wins 1 or 2 games against Col. College without loosing a game, Yale only needs to win RPI or TUC to win comparison

Merrimack - if Yale does not play or loose to Harvard, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Minn.-Duluth - (1) if Minn.-Duluth looses to Col. College and Yale does not play or loose to Clarkson, need only to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison, (2) if Minn.-Duluth does not loose to Col. College and Yale does not play or loose to Clarkson, RPI determines comparison winner, (3) if Minn.-Duluth does not loose to Col. College and Yale plays and looses to Clarkson, Yale must win both RPI and TUC to win comparison

Neb.-Omaha - if Neb.-Omaha wins two games against Col. College in WCHA playoffs, Yale must loose 3 games to Quinnipiac or Clarkson without a win or tie for RPI to determine comparison winner, otherwise Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Wisconsin - if Wisconsin looses to or ties Col. College, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison, if Wisconsin does not loose to or tie Col. College, RPI will determine comparison winner

Boston Univ. (BU) - BU must win 4 times against Vermont without a loss or tie and Yale must loose twice to Harvard, Brown or RPI without a win for RPI to determine comparison winner, otherwise Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Maine - If Yale does not loose to or tie Cornell, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Alaska-Anchorage (AA) - (1) if Yale does not play Union and AA does not play Col. College, Yale must win both RPI and TUC; (2) if AA does not play Col. College, Yale must beat Union twice without a loss or tie to only need to win either RPI or TUC, if Yale looses a game RPI will determine comparison winner

Any comments or has anyone made any other conclusions regarding Yale's PWR status?
 
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Mr. Kruncha: you've done a lot of work, which I'm not going to even attempt to replicate, but a few thoughts: (a) you've proven it's really too early to start thinking about this stuff, but RPI and TUC will essentially move together unless Yale loses tomorrow or to Colgate (b) Yale's RPI and TUC possibilities are in so much flux that to talk about which ones they have to win is a little odd -- TUC has (probably) two games left in the season -- Princeton and Cornell, neither of which will leave (nor will any other TUCs -- Cornell will leave only if they pretty much collapse) but the playoffs could mean as many as five more TUC games (worst case), although if there were that many Yale would have to win at least 3 of them; thus, (c) just win, baby and (d) "Lose" has only one "o."
 
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danumbakruncha said:
We all know that Yale has built a pretty solid PWR, and barring a complete collapse will make the NCAA tournament. We also know that regardless of where Yale finishes, Yale will play in Bridgeport, so Yale's ultimate ranking is not all that important.

However, I thought it might be interesting to see how Yale compares to each team under consideration (TUC) in order to see what factors are likely to influence each comparison. Unfortunately, the PWR has so many moving pieces that it is almost impossible to predict any sort of outcome at this point in the season. Since inter-conference play is over (as far as I know) and Yale did not play that many non-conference games, two of the PWR components, record against common opponents (COP) and head-to-head comparison will likely not change that much over the rest of the season.

Therefore, I have made the following list as to how Yale compares against the other TUCs with respect to which team might have the comparison advantage. As you may guess there are still a large number of teams that have too many moving parts to make any sort of assertions, and RPI may end up being the most important PWR comparison factor. So for whatever it is worth, here are my conclusions:

Too many variables to determine:
Union, Dartmouth, RPI, Princeton, Cornell, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Minnesota State, RIT and Robert Morris

RPI determines winner of comparison:
Michigan, Miami, Notre Dame and Col. College

Yale must win both RPI and TUC to win comparison:
West. Michigan, Ferris State, Alaska

Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC:
North Dakota and St. Cloud State

Boston College - if Yale does not loose to or tie Colgate, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Denver - unless Denver wins 1 or 2 games against Col. College without loosing a game, Yale only needs to win RPI or TUC to win comparison

Merrimack - if Yale does not play or loose to Harvard, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Minn.-Duluth - (1) if Minn.-Duluth looses to Col. College and Yale does not play or loose to Clarkson, need only to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison, (2) if Minn.-Duluth does not loose to Col. College and Yale does not play or loose to Clarkson, RPI determines comparison winner, (3) if Minn.-Duluth does not loose to Col. College and Yale plays and looses to Clarkson, Yale must win both RPI and TUC to win comparison

Neb.-Omaha - if Neb.-Omaha wins two games against Col. College in WCHA playoffs, Yale must loose 3 games to Quinnipiac or Clarkson without a win or tie for RPI to determine comparison winner, otherwise Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Wisconsin - if Wisconsin looses to or ties Col. College, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison, if Wisconsin does not loose to or tie Col. College, RPI will determine comparison winner

Boston Univ. (BU) - BU must win 4 times against Vermont without a loss or tie and Yale must loose twice to Harvard, Brown or RPI without a win for RPI to determine comparison winner, otherwise Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Maine - If Yale does not loose to or tie Cornell, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Alaska-Anchorage (AA) - (1) if Yale does not play Union and AA does not play Col. College, Yale must win both RPI and TUC; (2) if AA does not play Col. College, Yale must beat Union twice without a loss or tie to only need to win either RPI or TUC, if Yale looses a game RPI will determine comparison winner

Any comments or has anyone made any other conclusions regarding Yale's PWR status?
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Yeah, I am amazed that we are still first in the pwr, also hell of a first post, which team are you a fan of?
 
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We all know that Yale has built a pretty solid PWR, and barring a complete collapse will make the NCAA tournament. We also know that regardless of where Yale finishes, Yale will play in Bridgeport, so Yale's ultimate ranking is not all that important.

However, I thought it might be interesting to see how Yale compares to each team under consideration (TUC) in order to see what factors are likely to influence each comparison. Unfortunately, the PWR has so many moving pieces that it is almost impossible to predict any sort of outcome at this point in the season. Since inter-conference play is over (as far as I know) and Yale did not play that many non-conference games, two of the PWR components, record against common opponents (COP) and head-to-head comparison will likely not change that much over the rest of the season.

Therefore, I have made the following list as to how Yale compares against the other TUCs with respect to which team might have the comparison advantage. As you may guess there are still a large number of teams that have too many moving parts to make any sort of assertions, and RPI may end up being the most important PWR comparison factor. So for whatever it is worth, here are my conclusions:

Too many variables to determine:
Union, Dartmouth, RPI, Princeton, Cornell, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Minnesota State, RIT and Robert Morris

RPI determines winner of comparison:
Michigan, Miami, Notre Dame and Col. College

Yale must win both RPI and TUC to win comparison:
West. Michigan, Ferris State, Alaska

Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC:
North Dakota and St. Cloud State

Boston College - if Yale does not loose to or tie Colgate, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Denver - unless Denver wins 1 or 2 games against Col. College without loosing a game, Yale only needs to win RPI or TUC to win comparison

Merrimack - if Yale does not play or loose to Harvard, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Minn.-Duluth - (1) if Minn.-Duluth looses to Col. College and Yale does not play or loose to Clarkson, need only to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison, (2) if Minn.-Duluth does not loose to Col. College and Yale does not play or loose to Clarkson, RPI determines comparison winner, (3) if Minn.-Duluth does not loose to Col. College and Yale plays and looses to Clarkson, Yale must win both RPI and TUC to win comparison

Neb.-Omaha - if Neb.-Omaha wins two games against Col. College in WCHA playoffs, Yale must loose 3 games to Quinnipiac or Clarkson without a win or tie for RPI to determine comparison winner, otherwise Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Wisconsin - if Wisconsin looses to or ties Col. College, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison, if Wisconsin does not loose to or tie Col. College, RPI will determine comparison winner

Boston Univ. (BU) - BU must win 4 times against Vermont without a loss or tie and Yale must loose twice to Harvard, Brown or RPI without a win for RPI to determine comparison winner, otherwise Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Maine - If Yale does not loose to or tie Cornell, Yale only needs to win either RPI or TUC to win comparison

Alaska-Anchorage (AA) - (1) if Yale does not play Union and AA does not play Col. College, Yale must win both RPI and TUC; (2) if AA does not play Col. College, Yale must beat Union twice without a loss or tie to only need to win either RPI or TUC, if Yale looses a game RPI will determine comparison winner

Any comments or has anyone made any other conclusions regarding Yale's PWR status?
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This is great stuff and why I decided to join the site in order to post. I was surreptitiously reading all season long as a visitor. I agree that there are simply too many variables to consider what is likely to happen, and clearly Yale will be in Bridgeport, but I would argue that it is vitally important for Yale to be a 1 seed in Bridgeport in order to have the best chance to make the Frozen Four. Consider what happened last year in Worcester where BC played a relatively easy game against AK-Anchorage (I know, it was 2-1 but did anyone ever think the outcome was in doubt?) and Yale played that meat-grinder of a game against UND. The next night, I felt that Yale did not have enough gas in the tank against BC. I know that the goaltending was a nightmare in that game, but there were more than a few defensive breakdowns as well that did not happen the night before against UND. The scenario that Yale needs to avoid in Bridgeport is falling to a 2 seed and drawing a tough 3 seed in the semifinal game. That could lead to a loss in that game, which would be a disaster given the aspirations and experience of this year's team, or a tired team facing a fresh 1 seed in the regional final. All of that can be avoided if Yale starts to play consistently like the number 1 team we saw from November to mid-January. We saw that team re-emerge at home against Dartmouth only to fly the coup against SLU the next weekend. The QU team is talking bravely of winning the game tomorrow night, and that is exactly what they should do, but if Yale comes out and dictates the flow of the game as they had been doing, rather than wait to counter-punch as they are now doing all too often, I expect to see a much needed Yale win tomorrow evening. Yale is an impose their will on the opposition team, not a counter-punching team and they need to get back to that style if they are to achieve their pre-season goals.
 
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cornellgradyalefan said:
This is great stuff and why I decided to join the site in order to post. I was surreptitiously reading all season long as a visitor. I agree that there are simply too many variables to consider what is likely to happen, and clearly Yale will be in Bridgeport, but I would argue that it is vitally important for Yale to be a 1 seed in Bridgeport in order to have the best chance to make the Frozen Four. Consider what happened last year in Worcester where BC played a relatively easy game against AK-Anchorage (I know, it was 2-1 but did anyone ever think the outcome was in doubt?) and Yale played that meat-grinder of a game against UND. The next night, I felt that Yale did not have enough gas in the tank against BC. I know that the goaltending was a nightmare in that game, but there were more than a few defensive breakdowns as well that did not happen the night before against UND. The scenario that Yale needs to avoid in Bridgeport is falling to a 2 seed and drawing a tough 3 seed in the semifinal game. That could lead to a loss in that game, which would be a disaster given the aspirations and experience of this year's team, or a tired team facing a fresh 1 seed in the regional final. All of that can be avoided if Yale starts to play consistently like the number 1 team we saw from November to mid-January. We saw that team re-emerge at home against Dartmouth only to fly the coup against SLU the next weekend. The QU team is talking bravely of winning the game tomorrow night, and that is exactly what they should do, but if Yale comes out and dictates the flow of the game as they had been doing, rather than wait to counter-punch as they are now doing all too often, I expect to see a much needed Yale win tomorrow evening. Yale is an impose their will on the opposition team, not a counter-punching team and they need to get back to that style if they are to achieve their pre-season goals.
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Another great post, and your premonition about the QU game came true. Yale stuck to their game and overcame an inferior team who was hell bent on hitting them as hard as they could in the first period, It was a tight game until the second goal which came short handed and took the air out of QU's balloon. Yales defense was excellent tonight, challenging almost every rush and giving Rondeau alot of easy saves. When Ryan had to make the hard saves he was there, and actully made three nice glove saves. Martins laser was a thing of beauty as well as Kearney's shot which downright beat the goalie. Yale is lucky no one was hurt in the game, i think Little may have a nagging injury, he is still out of sync and very visibly frustrated every time he returns the the bench, time for him to step up. Little side bar, how often has Yale scored a short handed goal when they were at a 6-3 disadvantage?
 
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LTsatch said:
Little side bar, how often has Yale scored a short handed goal when they were at a 6-3 disadvantage?
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Pecknold's decision to pull the goalie down 5-1 with a two-man advantage and five minutes to go is, to say the least, eccentric. I suppose his theory was to get a goal to jump-start the team for today, but that seems, at least to me, idiotic, and Kearney's 170-foot goal (which was quite pretty, by the way, even if probably really lucky) shows that decisions like that have almost no risk-return balance.

But enough about QU strategy. This game had me really nervous, probably because of last year. And you're right, the first SHG really changed the whole tenor of the game.

But we're not out of the woods yet by any means for a one seed in the NCAAs, though all the other top games helped. The Cleary Cup is still in sight, although Union climbed to 4th in RPI with Denver's shocking loss. When was the last time the ECAC had two of the top four teams in RPI?

Just win, baby, and everything else takes care of itself. I'm headed down to Princeton tonight for my first trip ever to Hobey Baker Rink. The remaining TUC games are crucial.
 
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Another great post, and your premonition about the QU game came true. Yale stuck to their game and overcame an inferior team who was hell bent on hitting them as hard as they could in the first period, It was a tight game until the second goal which came short handed and took the air out of QU's balloon. Yales defense was excellent tonight, challenging almost every rush and giving Rondeau alot of easy saves. When Ryan had to make the hard saves he was there, and actully made three nice glove saves. Martins laser was a thing of beauty as well as Kearney's shot which downright beat the goalie. Yale is lucky no one was hurt in the game, i think Little may have a nagging injury, he is still out of sync and very visibly frustrated every time he returns the the bench, time for him to step up. Little side bar, how often has Yale scored a short handed goal when they were at a 6-3 disadvantage?
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Thank you for the nice compliment. One additional thought I had about the game was, despite Rondeau having to make some tough saves before the Limbert SH goal changed the tenor, I never had the feeling that QU was in the game. And that was despite the fact that the SOG for the first period was even, which is a rare occurrence in a Yale game. As I reflect on the game now, I also think that the team we saw on the ice last night is quite capable of running the table all the way to the championship. Every facet of Yale's game was on display last night with the most crucial component compared to last year being the excellence of Rondeau, who made it look easy last night with superb positioning, anticipation, and calm. I remember some earlier posts from you where you have said that you don't think this team is as good offensively as last year's team, and I agree that the top scorers are not as lethal as Backman and Arco, but what this year's team has is better scoring balance, which will serve them well as the season advances to the post-season. I will be at Princeton tomorrow. Always a fun trip as I have been at Baker Rink for the ECAC Qfinal deciding game 3 years ago, and both regular season games in the past two years.
 
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