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Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
The NHL Network usually televises all the USA and Canadian games, as well as the medal round games.
The NHL Network usually televises all the USA and Canadian games, as well as the medal round games.
Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
All games on NHL Network, EST
12/26- 4:00 PM Russia vs. Canada
12/26- 8:00 PM Finland vs. USA
12/28- 4:00 PM Canada vs. Czech Republic
12/28- 8:00 PM USA vs. Slovakia
12/29- 7:30 PM Norway vs. Canada
12/30- 3:00 PM Sweden vs. Czech Republic
12/30- 7:00 PM Germany vs. USA
12/31- 4:00 PM Canada vs. Sweden
12/31- 8:00 PM USA vs. Switzerland
01/02- 3:30 PM Quarterfinal # 1
01/02- 7:30 PM Quarterfinal # 2
Semi-finals
Mon, Jan. 3
15:30
Mon, Jan. 3
19:30
If qualified, USA to play in 19:30 game, if USA not qualified and CAN qualified, CAN to play in 15:30 game.
5th-place game
Tue, Jan. 4
19:30
Loser 21
vs.
Loser 23
Bronze-medal game
Wed, Jan. 5
15:30
Loser 25
vs.
Loser 26
Final
Wed, Jan. 5
19:30
Winner 25
vs.
Winner 26
All games on NHL Network, EST
12/26- 4:00 PM Russia vs. Canada
12/26- 8:00 PM Finland vs. USA
12/28- 4:00 PM Canada vs. Czech Republic
12/28- 8:00 PM USA vs. Slovakia
12/29- 7:30 PM Norway vs. Canada
12/30- 3:00 PM Sweden vs. Czech Republic
12/30- 7:00 PM Germany vs. USA
12/31- 4:00 PM Canada vs. Sweden
12/31- 8:00 PM USA vs. Switzerland
01/02- 3:30 PM Quarterfinal # 1
01/02- 7:30 PM Quarterfinal # 2
Semi-finals
Mon, Jan. 3
15:30
Mon, Jan. 3
19:30
If qualified, USA to play in 19:30 game, if USA not qualified and CAN qualified, CAN to play in 15:30 game.
5th-place game
Tue, Jan. 4
19:30
Loser 21
vs.
Loser 23
Bronze-medal game
Wed, Jan. 5
15:30
Loser 25
vs.
Loser 26
Final
Wed, Jan. 5
19:30
Winner 25
vs.
Winner 26
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
See if this one works
http://www.buffaloworldjuniors.com/adhoc.asp?pID=49
See if this one works
http://www.buffaloworldjuniors.com/adhoc.asp?pID=49
hockeyjunkie10
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
Um, yes, all 58 D1 teams have more than 4 lines. Also, every one of the 70+ D3 teams has more than 4 lines. Most Junior teams, as well as a good deal of high school teams also have more than 4 lines...
Um, yes, all 58 D1 teams have more than 4 lines. Also, every one of the 70+ D3 teams has more than 4 lines. Most Junior teams, as well as a good deal of high school teams also have more than 4 lines...
cg_siouxfan
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
Really? Do they not have defensemen or what? Cuz you can only dress a certain number of players for a game.
Really? Do they not have defensemen or what? Cuz you can only dress a certain number of players for a game.
hockeyjunkie10
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
Well, traditionally a team would dress 12 forwards, 6 defensemen, and three goaltenders. Barring injuries, you could have a greater or lesser number of F & D and some teams only dress two goalies. Regardless, this equals 21 players dressed. Now, most teams have somewhere between 25-30 players. By my math, that means that somewhere between 4-9 players are not dressed but would make up a 5th (and possibly 6th line) as well as a 4th or 5th set of defensemen. Hmm. Genius!
Well, traditionally a team would dress 12 forwards, 6 defensemen, and three goaltenders. Barring injuries, you could have a greater or lesser number of F & D and some teams only dress two goalies. Regardless, this equals 21 players dressed. Now, most teams have somewhere between 25-30 players. By my math, that means that somewhere between 4-9 players are not dressed but would make up a 5th (and possibly 6th line) as well as a 4th or 5th set of defensemen. Hmm. Genius!
cg_siouxfan
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
I guess I would've said, "of our top 12 forwards, we have only lost a couple", instead of "of our top 3-4 lines, we only lost a couple", but you seem to know a lot about hockey, so I will defer to you.
I guess I would've said, "of our top 12 forwards, we have only lost a couple", instead of "of our top 3-4 lines, we only lost a couple", but you seem to know a lot about hockey, so I will defer to you.
Runninwiththedogs
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
I assumed if you have a "top 3 or 4 lines" you must have about 17. Because if you're talking about "top 4 lines" being the top of MAYBE an additional 3 forwards at best (FYI, tUMD only has two extra forwards and one is injured, so no, we don't have 5 lines), I can see Yale's standards are slipping. Does this mean if one graduates in the top 80% of one's class, they graduated at the top of the class? Maybe at Yale.
I assumed if you have a "top 3 or 4 lines" you must have about 17. Because if you're talking about "top 4 lines" being the top of MAYBE an additional 3 forwards at best (FYI, tUMD only has two extra forwards and one is injured, so no, we don't have 5 lines), I can see Yale's standards are slipping. Does this mean if one graduates in the top 80% of one's class, they graduated at the top of the class? Maybe at Yale.
Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
I guess all the haters are right. Yale improves from 34 first place votes to 45 out of 50 by only playing one game. Maybe this week, with no games at all, we can do even better. And the total of 2 (out of 84 total in the two polls) first place votes going to Western teams is assuredly meaningless. (As are all the votes at this point, frankly.)
I guess all the haters are right. Yale improves from 34 first place votes to 45 out of 50 by only playing one game. Maybe this week, with no games at all, we can do even better. And the total of 2 (out of 84 total in the two polls) first place votes going to Western teams is assuredly meaningless. (As are all the votes at this point, frankly.)
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
Agreed. In college hockey, polls are essentially meaningless and do not do a very good job of predicting future success. Even the final poll taken right before the tournament is fairly useless...
2nd week of December Poll
Year - #1 Team (Eventual National Champion) Result of #1 Team in poll
1997-1998 - BU (Michigan #7) BU lost in Regional Final
1998-1999 - North Dakota (Maine #4) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
1999-2000 - New Hampshire (North Dakota #2) New Hampshire lost in Regional Semifinal
2000-2001 - Michigan State (BC #2) Michigan State lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2001-2002 - St. Cloud (Minnesota #2) St. Cloud lost in Regional Final
2002-2003 - North Dakota (Minnesota #8) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
2003-2004 - North Dakota (Denver #10) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
2004-2005 - Minnesota (Denver #7) Minnesota lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2005-2006 - Wisconsin (Wisconsin #1) Wisconsin won National Championship
2006-2007 - Minnesota (Michigan State #14) Minnsota lost in Regional Final
2007-2008 - Michigan (BC #15) Michigan lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2008-2009 - Notre Dame (BU #4) Notre Dame lost in Regional Semifinal
2009-2010 - Miami (BC #5) Miami lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
Average finish of team ranked #1 in 2nd week of December Poll: 4.69 (equates to a loss in the Regional Finals)
Average rank of eventual national champion: 6.23 (Miami currently #6, Denver currently #7)
Correct Predictions of 2nd week of December Poll: 1
Final Poll
1997-1998 - North Dakota (Michigan #5) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
1998-1999 - North Dakota (Maine #4) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
1999-2000 - Wisconsin (North Dakota #2) Wisconsin lost in Regional Final
2000-2001 - Michigan State (BC#2) Michigan State lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2001-2002 - New Hampshire (Minnesota #3) New Hampshire lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2002-2003 - Cornell (Minnesota #4) Cornell lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2003-2004 - Maine (Denver #8) Maine lost in National Championship
2004-2005 - Denver (Denver #1) Denver won National Championship
2005-2006 - BU (Wisconsin #2) BU lost in Regional Final
2006-2007 - Notre Dame (Michigan State #10) Notre Dame lost in Regional Final
2007-2008 - Michigan (BC #7) Michigan lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2008-2009 - BU (BU #1) BU won National Championship
2009-2010 - Miami (BC #3) Miami lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
Average finish of team ranked #1 in Final Poll: 3.38 (equates to a loss in the Frozen Four Semifinal
Average rank of eventual national champion: 4.00
Correct Predictions of Final Poll: 2
Agreed. In college hockey, polls are essentially meaningless and do not do a very good job of predicting future success. Even the final poll taken right before the tournament is fairly useless...
2nd week of December Poll
Year - #1 Team (Eventual National Champion) Result of #1 Team in poll
1997-1998 - BU (Michigan #7) BU lost in Regional Final
1998-1999 - North Dakota (Maine #4) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
1999-2000 - New Hampshire (North Dakota #2) New Hampshire lost in Regional Semifinal
2000-2001 - Michigan State (BC #2) Michigan State lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2001-2002 - St. Cloud (Minnesota #2) St. Cloud lost in Regional Final
2002-2003 - North Dakota (Minnesota #8) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
2003-2004 - North Dakota (Denver #10) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
2004-2005 - Minnesota (Denver #7) Minnesota lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2005-2006 - Wisconsin (Wisconsin #1) Wisconsin won National Championship
2006-2007 - Minnesota (Michigan State #14) Minnsota lost in Regional Final
2007-2008 - Michigan (BC #15) Michigan lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2008-2009 - Notre Dame (BU #4) Notre Dame lost in Regional Semifinal
2009-2010 - Miami (BC #5) Miami lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
Average finish of team ranked #1 in 2nd week of December Poll: 4.69 (equates to a loss in the Regional Finals)
Average rank of eventual national champion: 6.23 (Miami currently #6, Denver currently #7)
Correct Predictions of 2nd week of December Poll: 1
Final Poll
1997-1998 - North Dakota (Michigan #5) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
1998-1999 - North Dakota (Maine #4) North Dakota lost in Regional Final
1999-2000 - Wisconsin (North Dakota #2) Wisconsin lost in Regional Final
2000-2001 - Michigan State (BC#2) Michigan State lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2001-2002 - New Hampshire (Minnesota #3) New Hampshire lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2002-2003 - Cornell (Minnesota #4) Cornell lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2003-2004 - Maine (Denver #8) Maine lost in National Championship
2004-2005 - Denver (Denver #1) Denver won National Championship
2005-2006 - BU (Wisconsin #2) BU lost in Regional Final
2006-2007 - Notre Dame (Michigan State #10) Notre Dame lost in Regional Final
2007-2008 - Michigan (BC #7) Michigan lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
2008-2009 - BU (BU #1) BU won National Championship
2009-2010 - Miami (BC #3) Miami lost in Frozen Four Semifinal
Average finish of team ranked #1 in Final Poll: 3.38 (equates to a loss in the Frozen Four Semifinal
Average rank of eventual national champion: 4.00
Correct Predictions of Final Poll: 2
Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
I think most teams only have what 23-24 players on their roster... So you might want to check your math...
I think most teams only have what 23-24 players on their roster... So you might want to check your math...
Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
F.S. 23 Thanks for all those stats. Pretty interesting data as far as ranking and team finishing goes.
GO SIOUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
F.S. 23 Thanks for all those stats. Pretty interesting data as far as ranking and team finishing goes.
GO SIOUX!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
Yes FS 23, interesting data indeed. But as a professional statistician, I think I interpret it a little differently than you. First, it shows that every team ranked first in the middle of December made the playoffs -- no team has ever been so badly overrated (or collapsed so completely) that they failed to make the playoffs. But second, you show that teams ranked first at the start of December are only a little less successful in the playoffs as teams ranked first at the end of the year, and for that matter are better than any other ranking. As I said over in the other thread, the probability that the best team (whatever that means) will win a knockout tourney of the best teams is really pretty low. Even assuming that the best team has a 60 oercent chance of winning each game (and that's extremely generous -- it's about right for the first round but is way too high for the later rounds) their probability of winning the entire tournament is only about 13 percent. In your data, the early December team has an 85 percent chance of winning the first game (this percentage is high because of automatic qualifiers who aren't really qualified) a 50 percent chance of winning the second game (assuming it got there), a 20 percent chance of winning the next game (with only a sample of 5) and a 100 percent chance of winning the next (not very informative in a sample of 1). Overall, that's a pretty **** good team-- better, I suspect, than any other single ranking, which is what we mean by a number one team.
By the end of the season, of course, the discernment is even better, with winning percentages, by round, of 100 percent, 62 percent, 50 percent and 67 percent. I'd again argue that the last value, which is based on a sample of three is anomalously high and the first round reflects the fact that the deemed best team almost always faces an unworthy team in the first round.
So I take away from this the notion that the voters, based on the tourney results, actually have a remarkably good idea of who's good in the middle of December, but of course they know better in March. And one only thinks otherwise by having a romantic notion that the "best" team ought to win the tournament fairly often. The anomalies -- the first round of the Frozen Four (for the early December teams) and the final game (for the late teams) are probably spurious results of small sample sizes.
Yes FS 23, interesting data indeed. But as a professional statistician, I think I interpret it a little differently than you. First, it shows that every team ranked first in the middle of December made the playoffs -- no team has ever been so badly overrated (or collapsed so completely) that they failed to make the playoffs. But second, you show that teams ranked first at the start of December are only a little less successful in the playoffs as teams ranked first at the end of the year, and for that matter are better than any other ranking. As I said over in the other thread, the probability that the best team (whatever that means) will win a knockout tourney of the best teams is really pretty low. Even assuming that the best team has a 60 oercent chance of winning each game (and that's extremely generous -- it's about right for the first round but is way too high for the later rounds) their probability of winning the entire tournament is only about 13 percent. In your data, the early December team has an 85 percent chance of winning the first game (this percentage is high because of automatic qualifiers who aren't really qualified) a 50 percent chance of winning the second game (assuming it got there), a 20 percent chance of winning the next game (with only a sample of 5) and a 100 percent chance of winning the next (not very informative in a sample of 1). Overall, that's a pretty **** good team-- better, I suspect, than any other single ranking, which is what we mean by a number one team.
By the end of the season, of course, the discernment is even better, with winning percentages, by round, of 100 percent, 62 percent, 50 percent and 67 percent. I'd again argue that the last value, which is based on a sample of three is anomalously high and the first round reflects the fact that the deemed best team almost always faces an unworthy team in the first round.
So I take away from this the notion that the voters, based on the tourney results, actually have a remarkably good idea of who's good in the middle of December, but of course they know better in March. And one only thinks otherwise by having a romantic notion that the "best" team ought to win the tournament fairly often. The anomalies -- the first round of the Frozen Four (for the early December teams) and the final game (for the late teams) are probably spurious results of small sample sizes.
Runninwiththedogs
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
Please note that before 02-03, "losing in the regional final" could mean losing the first game played (See Cloud, St.)
Please note that before 02-03, "losing in the regional final" could mean losing the first game played (See Cloud, St.)
Stan The Man
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Re: Yale Hockey 2010-2011 thread
"Russian Touring Team" Info...
12/27/10 @ Holy Cross
12/28/10 @ Army
12/29/10 @ Yale
"Russian Touring Team" Info...
12/27/10 @ Holy Cross
12/28/10 @ Army
12/29/10 @ Yale
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