World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

[RaceBoarder]

Yup, and with the players banned from National Team duty they can play through international breaks and go head to head on TV.

These matches will outdraw the friendlies that are seen in January, March, and September. They won't go H2H with the major Summer tournaments.

Players won't care at all when they miss international games. They don't collect paychecks from those games. Its the rest of their schedule that pays the bills.

 

[unofan]

All the clubs who joined the ‘super league’ can go **** themselves. One of the most shameful days in the history of sports.

Yeah, how dare they want to adopt the same model as the NFL/NHL/NBA/MLB etc.

I mean jesus, I get why it's bad for everyone else, but let's not pretend FIFA/UEFA/etc. are some paragons of virtue here. And "Shameful"? Good lord, hyperbole much?

 

[Drew S.]

Yeah, how dare they want to adopt the same model as the NFL/NHL/NBA/MLB etc.

I mean jesus, I get why it's bad for everyone else, but let's not pretend FIFA/UEFA/etc. are some paragons of virtue here. And "Shameful"? Good lord, hyperbole much?

Where in my post did I say UEFA, FIFA, or any other organizing body was virtuous? One of the fundamental principles of football is you have to earn your place on the pyramid. This completely goes away from that, and not for any good reason.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Where in my post did I say UEFA, FIFA, or any other organizing body was virtuous? One of the fundamental principles of football is you have to earn your place on the pyramid. This completely goes away from that, and not for any good reason.

I don’t know, keeping FIFA and UEFA off of the money train seems like a good reason.

Lol, earn your place in the pyramid? Most of the clubs in the PL and EFL were either founding members of the Football League or joined very early on and spent a century keeping other clubs out. Automatic promotion to the Football League wasn’t instated until 1986. Similar histories happened in Spain, Italy, Germany and France. The top clubs do all they can to keep their place while providing this illusion of “earn your place” to suckers like you.

 

[Kepler]

I don’t know, keeping FIFA and UEFA off of the money train seems like a good reason.

Is there a way to utterly obliterate UEFA, FIFA, the EPL, the top 10 clubs in the world, and the people who own them?

 

[JF_Gophers]

I'm all in for a new super league.

Hopefully this breaks the current system for both domestic and international games and they have to start over.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Is there a way to utterly obliterate UEFA, FIFA, the EPL, the top 10 clubs in the world, and the people who own them?

Mulch the rich.

 

[Kepler]

Mulch the rich.

There's a pitch I would play on.

 

[Kepler]

I'm all in for a new super league.

Hopefully this breaks the current system for both domestic and international games and they have to start over.

I was thinking something like that. Kick those teams out of the domestic leagues and end the EPL. Next five English Champions: Fulham, Preston North End, Sunderland, Blackburn Rovers, West Brom. Hell let's throw the Magpies in there!

 

[Jimjamesak]

I'm all in for a new super league.

Hopefully this breaks the current system for both domestic and international games and they have to start over.

Yeah, it’s almost sad that people are so attached to a system that is so blatantly corrupt and skewed towards the big money clubs and countries that they’re angry when someone goes “we should do something different”.

The big thing is that the reaction is really just blatant anti-Americanism that is so prevalent in European, and especially English, soccer. They’ve long avoided doing things like VAR (it’s why it took so long to implement and why the PL and FA are trying to sabotage it today), rule changes (the NASL/MLS style shootout would be standard today if a European country had implemented the idea first), and administrative changes (even things like sharing TV rights among all the clubs in the top division was seen as “too American”). Heck, it took until the 90’s to get the sport fully on TV because the old guard was so entrenched in their ways.

 

[SonofSouthie]

Mourinho fired....to the surprise of no one. Talk about a short shelf life.

 

[ticapnews]

I was thinking something like that. Kick those teams out of the domestic leagues and end the EPL. Next five English Champions: Fulham, Preston North End, Sunderland, Blackburn Rovers, West Brom. Hell let's throw the Magpies in there!

Some of those teams will no longer exist without the money filtering down. There's already teams that have folded (Bury, Macclesfield) or are about to (Colchester, Grimsby) or have imminent financial problems (Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Bolton, Wigan). Take money away and probably a quarter of the teams in English football cease to exist. According to one survey of financial directors at English football clubs, 45% say they are in bad financial shape (double that of 2019). Entire communities will lose their economic engines. But that's OK, it's not like England is in the middle of a huge health or self-inflicted economic crisis right now. I'm sure they'll be fine. And hey, if not, the government will help them out just as much as our government has helped out the average joe during the pandemic.

Has it gotten this far before? Spurs posted an official announcement. Seems a lot more real than simple threats for tv money. Especially when UEFA is expected to go with the weighted system that would already benefit the clubs leaving.

It has, in a way. Not with this super league, but with the monied teams breaking away for TV cash. That's how the Premier League was formed.


According to the BBC, sources at the teams that have decided to go to this super league refer to supporters like me as "legacy fans" and they say they want the fan of the future, who wants a team full of superstars that plays only against other teams of superstars. I'll take my legacy dollars and my legacy eyeballs and my legacy vocal chords and go support someone else. You don't get to say "This is a family" or "This means more!" and then turn your backs on your supporters and football fans around the world. I don't think FIFA, EUFA or the FA will be able to ban players from national teams, but when it comes time to pick squads for 2022 the FA is perfectly within its rights to decide that Danny Ings and Harvey Barnes are better fits for the team than Harry Kane and Raheem Sterling...

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Ted lasso would not approve

 

[Jimjamesak]

Some of those teams will no longer exist without the money filtering down. There's already teams that have folded (Bury, Macclesfield) or are about to (Colchester, Grimsby) or have imminent financial problems (Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Bolton, Wigan). Take money away and probably a quarter of the teams in English football cease to exist. According to one survey of financial directors at English football clubs, 45% say they are in bad financial shape (double that of 2019). Entire communities will lose their economic engines. But that's OK, it's not like England is in the middle of a huge health or self-inflicted economic crisis right now. I'm sure they'll be fine. And hey, if not, the government will help them out just as much as our government has helped out the average joe during the pandemic.

Those teams are boned either way barring a miracle run to the Premier League (and they don't have the finances to do so). The EFL is already begging the FA and the PL for some kind of bailout with their TV money. Any agreement to help the lower division teams is going to come at a huge cost like reserve teams playing in the EFL, something that will hurt those teams that are hurting anyway. English soccer has been a mess for decades and it's only going to get worse, they've needed major structural change for decades and they barely did anything after Heysel and Hillsborough.

It has, in a way. Not with this super league, but with the monied teams breaking away for TV cash. That's how the Premier League was formed.


According to the BBC, sources at the teams that have decided to go to this super league refer to supporters like me as "legacy fans" and they say they want the fan of the future, who wants a team full of superstars that plays only against other teams of superstars. I'll take my legacy dollars and my legacy eyeballs and my legacy vocal chords and go support someone else. You don't get to say "This is a family" or "This means more!" and then turn your backs on your supporters and football fans around the world. I don't think FIFA, EUFA or the FA will be able to ban players from national teams, but when it comes time to pick squads for 2022 the FA is perfectly within its rights to decide that Danny Ings and Harvey Barnes are better fits for the team than Harry Kane and Raheem Sterling...

"Legacy fans" are already gone. They booted you folks after Heysel and Hillsborough and never looked back after the formation of the Premier League and the Champions League. That's why all the games are on pay TV, that's why ticket prices are so astronomical, that's why they haven't installed safe standing areas. They wanted the middle class (English middle class folks, big difference) people coming to their games and doing what they can to keep them coming. They haven't cared about you in years.

 

[ticapnews]

Those teams are boned either way barring a miracle run to the Premier League (and they don't have the finances to do so). The EFL is already begging the FA and the PL for some kind of bailout with their TV money. Any agreement to help the lower division teams is going to come at a huge cost like reserve teams playing in the EFL, something that will hurt those teams that are hurting anyway. English soccer has been a mess for decades and it's only going to get worse, they've needed major structural change for decades and they barely did anything after Heysel and Hillsborough.




"Legacy fans" are already gone. They booted you folks after Heysel and Hillsborough and never looked back after the formation of the Premier League and the Champions League. That's why all the games are on pay TV, that's why ticket prices are so astronomical, that's why they haven't installed safe standing areas. They wanted the middle class (English middle class folks, big difference) people coming to their games and doing what they can to keep them coming. They haven't cared about you in years.

It isn't just English football. Mighty Barca are a few months away from bankruptcy. Oh wait, they're about to get a few billion from JP Morgan. Never mind. Suppose JP Morgan will front any cash to Colchester or Pompey? Probably not.

Even with all its faults, English football has at least been somewhat of a meritocracy. Leicester winning a title and then a few years later in the FA Cup finals? Hull City, Watford, Crystal Palace in the finals would be like the Hershey Bears playing for the Stanley Cup. It just wouldn't happen. Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal may not even qualify for European football next season, but oh that's right...they won't have to qualify for anything. They automatically qualify for this new super league based solely on bank accounts. What exactly will John Henry's motivation be to field the best squad he can for Liverpool? He's in the league. He can never be relegated. He never has to qualify for anything. LFC can go 0-33 in this new league and nothing will happen. What? He might piss off the few fans remaining? I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that.

 

[Kepler]

Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal may not even qualify for European football next season, but oh that's right...they won't have to qualify for anything. They automatically qualify for this new super league based solely on bank accounts. What exactly will John Henry's motivation be to field the best squad he can for Liverpool? He's in the league. He can never be relegated. He never has to qualify for anything. LFC can go 0-33 in this new league and nothing will happen. What? He might **** off the few fans remaining? I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that.

The Pittsburgh Pirates.

 

[Jimjamesak]

It isn't just English football. Mighty Barca are a few months away from bankruptcy. Oh wait, they're about to get a few billion from JP Morgan. Never mind. Suppose JP Morgan will front any cash to Colchester or Pompey? Probably not.

Barcelona can clear a billion Euros a season and Colchester and Portsmouth can't, that's why. In fact, Portsmouth was almost liquidated years ago because of financial issues.

Even with all its faults, English football has at least been somewhat of a meritocracy. Leicester winning a title and then a few years later in the FA Cup finals? Hull City, Watford, Crystal Palace in the finals would be like the Hershey Bears playing for the Stanley Cup. It just wouldn't happen. Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal may not even qualify for European football next season, but oh that's right...they won't have to qualify for anything. They automatically qualify for this new super league based solely on bank accounts. What exactly will John Henry's motivation be to field the best squad he can for Liverpool? He's in the league. He can never be relegated. He never has to qualify for anything. LFC can go 0-33 in this new league and nothing will happen. What? He might **** off the few fans remaining? I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that.

It's plutocracy not a meritocracy, and it has been since at least the 60's. If you've had the money to spend (and in a lot of cases even when you haven't), you will win, if you don't have the money, you're gone.

What do West Ham and Leicester have in common with Man City and Chelsea? Billionaire owners and new stadiums. It's fun to be an underdog with $5 billion plus in financing to go with hundreds of millions in TV money (and in West Ham's case, a lovely new stadium paid for mostly by the British Government).

You've been living in a dream world Neo, it's just now the machines have finally given up trying to hide it from you.

 

[ticapnews]

Barcelona can clear a billion Euros a season and Colchester and Portsmouth can't, that's why. In fact, Portsmouth was almost liquidated years ago because of financial issues.


It's plutocracy not a meritocracy, and it has been since at least the 60's. If you've had the money to spend (and in a lot of cases even when you haven't), you will win, if you don't have the money, you're gone.

What do West Ham and Leicester have in common with Man City and Chelsea? Billionaire owners and new stadiums. It's fun to be an underdog with $5 billion plus in financing to go with hundreds of millions in TV money (and in West Ham's case, a lovely new stadium paid for mostly by the British Government).

Just this decade the FA Cup finalists have included Stoke, Crystal Palace, Hull, Watford, Aston Villa and was won by Wigan. Financial powerhouses all.

 

[mookie1995]

The Pittsburgh Pirates.

:-(

 

[Jimjamesak]

Just this decade the FA Cup finalists have included Stoke, Crystal Palace, Hull, Watford, Aston Villa and was won by Wigan. Financial powerhouses all.

The FA Cup doesn't mean very much nowadays and really hasn't since Man U skipped in 2000 to play in the Club World Cup.

Honestly man, you're grasping at straws.

(And basically sidestepped every point I've made)