World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

[Jimjamesak]

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Another good example of the "entitled aura" is the situation over the firing of former coach Tom Sermanni (a Scot hired to replace former coach Pia Sundhage in 2012). He experimented with lineups and formations during his term, he called in 44 different players in his ~18 months in charge and wasn't afraid to leave veteran players like Abby Wambach, Carli Lloyd, or Alex Morgan at home or on the bench in favor of giving younger players a shot (a not at all unreasonable or uncommon thing done at the international). He was fired not long after a disappointing Algarve Cup (a formerly prestigious tournament the US does not play in anymore in favor of hosting their tournament the SheBelieves Cup) where the US lost two games.

It's widely speculated that Sermanni was fired because he was not using veteran players like Wambach, that the veteran players rebelled and demanded Sermanni be fired after speaking to then President Sunil Gulati.

 

[Jimjamesak]

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Speaking of the NWSL: Ruh Roh.

 

[MissThundercat]

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Hi, I'm Amber Marie, and not only am I a trans girl, I also started watching soccer around the time Zidane committed his infamous headbutt. Then I started watching Newcastle United games about 10 years ago. I've become quite used to play up, "just happy to be here," then get sent back down, and watching the cycle repeat itself.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Whoever thought of the International Champions Cup is a genius. Americans complain about paying full price for preseason NFL, but will dish out hundreds to watch preseason soccer. Meanwhile the rest of the world figured it out and makes us export our regular season games. Yes, La Liga is sending regular season games our way, but that's far outnumbered by the zillions of friendlies that take place here.

 

[Kepler]

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Yes, La Liga is sending regular season games our way, but that's far outnumbered by the zillions of friendlies that take place here.

Wait. Really? REALLY?

That would be so cool!

We need Serie A.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Wait. Really? REALLY?

That would be so cool!

We need Serie A.

No, it’s not happening. Some promoter maybe had a preliminary agreement and announced it but La Liga hadn’t even talked to the teams or players yet.

And heck no there should not be any regular season games.

But the ICC and Euro friendlies are the most hilarious fleecing of eurosnob rubes ever created. The Barca-Real friendly in Miami was the most obvious, it was cheaper to fly to Madrid/Barcelona and watch a regular season Classico than travel and tickets to that game.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Wait. Really? REALLY?

That would be so cool!

We need Serie A.

Well, they were, but at least last year’s game was canceled because Barcelona protested and the players around the league all threatened to strike. Not sure if they’re going to try again, but the original plan was for a game a year for 15 years.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Well, they were, but at least last year’s game was canceled because Barcelona protested and the players around the league all threatened to strike. Not sure if they’re going to try again, but the original plan was for a game a year for 15 years.

They’re not going to, the logistical nightmare it would create for teams and players will see to that.

 

[unofan]

They’re not going to, the logistical nightmare it would create for teams and players will see to that.

No offense, but if the NFL and MLB can make it work, so could the soccer leagues.

The players don't want to do it, fine. But logistics is a bullshiat argument.

 

[Jimjamesak]

No offense, but if the NFL and MLB can make it work, so could the soccer leagues.

The players don't want to do it, fine. But logistics is a bullshiat argument.

There’s no bye weeks like in the NFL and they’re not playing every day like MLB. Plus, La Liga’s season is already controversially long anyway, remember when it ran right into the World Cup in 2002?

Most importantly, these are leagues where traveling to far flung Euro cities is considered daunting, you really think La Liga is capable of handling the logistics of trying to play a game in Miami?

This comes up every few years, even the PL had that 39th game proposal, and it’s always DOA when it comes out.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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There’s no bye weeks like in the NFL and they’re not playing every day like MLB. Plus, La Liga’s season is already controversially long anyway, remember when it ran right into the World Cup in 2002?

Most importantly, these are leagues where traveling to far flung Euro cities is considered daunting, you really think La Liga is capable of handling the logistics of trying to play a game in Miami?

This comes up every few years, even the PL had that 39th game proposal, and it’s always DOA when it comes out.

I thought there was also an issue with FIFA related to league games being played not in the country the league is set up in?

 

[Jimjamesak]

I thought there was also an issue with FIFA related to league games being played not in the country the league is set up in?

That’s the other wrinkle, the Spanish Fed, the USSF, and FIFA would all have to approve it.

Of course, SOP for the USSF is that USSF referees have to be used on matches played in the US. So that’s another wrinkle.

 

[Slap Shot]

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If the Euros can manage league games, UEFA games, intra-country cup games and WC qualifiers (when going on) they can certainly manage a few real league games in the US.

 

[Jimjamesak]

If the Euros can manage league games, UEFA games, intra-country cup games and WC qualifiers (when going on) they can certainly manage a few real league games in the US.

I will say you don’t pay attention too much then. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs regarding CL qualifying rounds and the Europa League? The travel. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs about South American qualifying? The players travel. Euro clubs hate traveling to Krakow and Basel for competitive games, what makes you think, beyond money, they’ll want to travel to the US for games in the middle of their season.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I will say you don’t pay attention too much then. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs regarding CL qualifying rounds and the Europa League? The travel. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs about South American qualifying? The players travel. Euro clubs hate traveling to Krakow and Basel for competitive games, what makes you think, beyond money, they’ll want to travel to the US for games in the middle of their season.

You don't always have to go condescending when people offer a differing POV.

Despite the bye week I doubt NFL players enjoy playing in Europe. And I didn't say players would like it but they wouldn't necessarily have a say in the matter would they?

 

[unofan]

I will say you don’t pay attention too much then. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs regarding CL qualifying rounds and the Europa League? The travel. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs about South American qualifying? The players travel. Euro clubs hate traveling to Krakow and Basel for competitive games, what makes you think, beyond money, they’ll want to travel to the US for games in the middle of their season.

We're not saying they'd want to. We're saying logistics aren't preventing it.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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I will say you don’t pay attention too much then. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs regarding CL qualifying rounds and the Europa League? The travel. What’s the biggest complaint from Euro clubs about South American qualifying? The players travel. Euro clubs hate traveling to Krakow and Basel for competitive games, what makes you think, beyond money, they’ll want to travel to the US for games in the middle of their season.

Dude, we are discussing soccer on A COLLEGE HOCKEY message board, NOT one of your soccer referee message boards where soccer is life 24/7 365... Can you stop talking down to anyone who disagrees with you?

You hate the "euro snobs" when it comes to keeping MLS down. You do realize that you're doing the same thing here, right? I'm pretty sure everyone in the discussion here is a "casual fan" of soccer, not someone who lives/breathes the game. Yet you seem to think we're all beneath you, just like fans of the Euro Leagues think MLS is below them. Kinda ironic, eh?

 

[Jimjamesak]

You don't always have to go condescending when people offer a differing POV.

Despite the bye week I doubt NFL players enjoy playing in Europe. And I didn't say players would like it but they wouldn't necessarily have a say in the matter would they?

Sorry, it’s a bit of annoyance from me coming out to what should be easily found info.

And the players and managers will absolutely have a say about whether all this happens. They already threatened a strike on this matter. No players, no games.

The simple fact is, this **** gets proposed all the time. The PL has done it, Serie A has done it, La Liga has done it, and they’ve all not done it in the end, because it’s not worth the hassle with FIFA and the Feds and also the travel. It easier to just play at home and fleece a few million more in TV rights.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Sorry, it’s a bit of annoyance from me coming out to what should be easily found info.

And the players and managers will absolutely have a say about whether all this happens. They already threatened a strike on this matter. No players, no games.

The simple fact is, this **** gets proposed all the time. The PL has done it, Serie A has done it, La Liga has done it, and they’ve all not done it in the end, because it’s not worth the hassle with FIFA and the Feds and also the travel. It easier to just play at home and fleece a few million more in TV rights.

Fair enough.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Dude, we are discussing soccer on A COLLEGE HOCKEY message board, NOT one of your soccer referee message boards where soccer is life 24/7 365... Can you stop talking down to anyone who disagrees with you?

You hate the "euro snobs" when it comes to keeping MLS down. You do realize that you're doing the same thing here, right? I'm pretty sure everyone in the discussion here is a "casual fan" of soccer, not someone who lives/breathes the game. Yet you seem to think we're all beneath you, just like fans of the Euro Leagues think MLS is below them. Kinda ironic, eh?

It’s no snobbery, it’s annoyance at seeing the same s- over and over, year after year. And it’s not just this topic, it’s everything, the women’s pay debate, the ragging on the men’s team and MLS, these Euro friendlies, the possiblity of Euro league games etc. It’s the same discussion every time and the same answers every time. History doesn’t repeat but it does rhyme.

Of course it’s my fault for going “aw jeez not this s- again...” instead of ignoring it like I should.