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World Soccer XXVII: The REAL Football

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well compared to watching the europeans play, this was a very entertaining and fun game to watch.
If I remember right, 4 of the first 5 teams in the world are in this tournament.
 
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US had what, 2 chances (one each half) and 0 shots?

Way too many unforced errors. At least three of Argentina's goals resulted from stupid mistakes.
 
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Hey, only lost by 4. Considering that we started Wondo and Beckerman, for some reason, that's not too bad.

Now... the future. WC2018 Russia.

We need to defend better, and have better options up front.

First question: Do we need better defenders so we can move Yedlin and/or Johnson to midfield, or are we better off with what we've been doing (put them on the wings and push them up from time to time, with cover from midfield) and focus on improving our midfield? I have to imagine having back Timmy Chandler, so we can have competition between him, Brooks and Cameron for center back can help.
 
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I didn't fully expect better than a 4-0 result, but I fully expected play that did not have looked like it should have been 8-0. Granted they had some key players out but...

And wow Michael Bradley.
 
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And wow Michael Bradley.

Seriously. Try completing a pass.

Between him falling off the map and Jones' age, that's one reason I'm wondering if Yedlin and Fabian don't need to move up to their spots in the back of the midfield. Or at least change formations so we're not so vulnerable when they play up.
 
I didn't fully expect better than a 4-0 result, but I fully expected play that did not have looked like it should have been 8-0. Granted they had some key players out but...

And wow Michael Bradley.
Klinsmann, for whatever reason, has them playing scared and timid versus top teams. Colombia, Germany, and Belgium were all the same. You're never gonna beat them playing scared and timid.

And Bradley is frankly just bad right now.
 
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Who's for sure in the mix for 2018?

GK:
Guzan
?????
?????

D:
Cameron
Brooks
Chandler (right?)
??????
??????

D/MF:
Yedlin
Johnson

MF:
Jones (if he has gas in the tank)
Bradley (if he gets his head out of his ***)
Lots of names here, hard to say who really stands out.

F:
Wood
Altidore (maybe?)
Dempsey (if he still has gas in the tank... he's a worker)

Beyond that list, I see a lot of works in progress (Pulisic, Miazga, Carter-Vickers, Zelalem, Hyndman, Kitchen, Morris, Kiesewetter, Green) and a lot of names where I honestly don't know if they've already blown their potential or if there's still some more to develop out of them (Diskerud, Johannsson, Boyd, Trapp, Zardes, Nagbe, Agudelo, pretty much every defender between 25-28 years old)
 
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2018 is looking to be a kind of "betweener" World Cup if we qualify (I'm not taking that for granted). A mix of older players in the twilight and younger players not quite in their prime.

Sadly I still look at 2010 as a "what could've been." That team was rolling in 2009 and we ended up limping into 2010. Davies had his accident, Onyewu was never the same after his knee injury (what a costly week that was!), Jones wasn't eligible yet and injured, Rossi choosing Italy.
 
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2018 is looking to be a kind of "betweener" World Cup if we qualify (I'm not taking that for granted). A mix of older players in the twilight and younger players not quite in their prime.

Sadly I still look at 2010 as a "what could've been." That team was rolling in 2009 and we ended up limping into 2010. Davies had his accident, Onyewu was never the same after his knee injury (what a costly week that was!), Jones wasn't eligible yet and injured, Rossi choosing Italy.

This tournament has at least renewed my confidence in our ability to make the World Cup, notably due to the fact we ran through Costa Rica 4-0. The Argentina game was a little disappointing, but with our suspensions we never really had much of a chance.

I do think this shows Beckman and Wondowlowski really shouldn't be anywhere near the 2018 roster (assuming we make it) although they might be able to deputize if we run into some issues in the Hex.
 
See also: never having a healthy Altidore at any WC and the lost potential in Stuart Holden and his ligaments of glass.
Holden and Altidore played in 2010. Problem in 2010 was they were not able to find an effective strike partner for him (Dempsey was a RM at that point).
 
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Guzan was awful last night. that Messi goal should have never gone in.
 
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Ugh if there is one thing I hate that comes up in discussions about the USMNT right now it's the "well the talent pool is not good." It's the most common argument from Klinsmann defenders and its total BS. Bob Bradley and Bruce Arena would've killed to have this talent pool! I mean look at the players they started: Ricardo Clark started against Spain in 2009, Robbie Finlay against England in 2010, Jeff Agoos against Portugal in 2002, like half the lineup in 2006. These guys started basically because there were no better options and none of them would even crack the 23 man roster today!

Really hate that argument.
 
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Who's for sure in the mix for 2018?

I'd say your list is pretty much spot on. Guzan will be there out of inertia if nothing else, which doesn't speak highly on where he is right now. He's had a fairly decent Copa but his club prospects are up in the air right now and I'd be shocked if he didn't come back to MLS soon. Not that that's a bad thing or a disqualifier but the USMNT has had a great track record over the years of having world-class GKs playing in the best leagues in the world (Keller, Friedel, Howard) for 20 years and that isn't easy to have to deal with.

Cameron and Brooks are now pretty much the confirmed go-to guys at center back. Chandler would have been on the team if he'd been healthy and him with Yedlin gives the US a decent choice at right back. Yedlin needs to grow up but he will and this garbage fart of a tournament from him will probably help (marking Lionel Messi is a great training opportunity if nothing else). Fabian has far too much utility in too many places to not be on this team.

I don't believe there are currently any sure things in the midfield, with Bradley being closest simply because he's the captain, but he has to have a lot fewer outings like he did against Colombia and Argentina - two good teams to be sure, but falling apart against good teams isn't encouraging - in order to confirm that. Bedoya's not too far behind either, even though he's not flashy he's certainly a workhorse that this team needs at the position.

Wood and Altidore are in. No question. Altidore staying healthy would be a great thing. Want to see more from them both.

Jones and Dempsey would be sure things the way they've been playing if not for their age. I didn't expect them to play any role in qualifying, let alone Russia, so anything we can squeeze from them is a bonus. Not quite advocating the old dog method of taking them behind the garage and putting one in the top of their head, but any diminishing of form at this point has to be a disqualifier. And I expect both of them will probably get there before Russia, unfortunately. But as they are now, they're invaluable, so keep riding that train while it's still in motion.

Right now, we need to see a steady diet of Ethan Horvath (who is close to locking down the "next generation" slot in the GK corps, of which there needs to be at least one and probably two), Steve Birnbaum, Matt Miazga, Ventura Alvarado, Christian Pulisic, Darlington Nagbe, Perry Kitchen, Emerson Hyndman, Mix Diskerud, Luis Gil, Julian Green, Jordan Morris, Jerome Kiesewetter, Paul Arriola, Josh Perez, Juan Agudelo, and Gyasi Zardes for the next year and a half. All of these guys are currently age 25 or younger, and it's guys like this that are going to form the heart of the World Cup team and the 2022 qualifying cycle - so it's important to separate the wheat from the chaff in this segment. (Leaving out Wood, Yedlin, and Brooks because they've more or less already secured their spots.) Add Terrence Boyd to the list if he ever gets healthy.

Spot starts from Gedion Zelalem and Cameron Carter-Vickers would be good to see too, but they're more building toward 2022 in general, not this cycle. Both are super exciting though. Perhaps Ben Lederman late in the cycle if he hasn't pulled a Freddy Adu yet.

By the way... what the hell happened with Shane O'Neill? And what's the status with Diego Fagundez? I know he's played a few U-20 games for Uruguay but he's not cap-tied until he plays with the senior team, right? I know he was ranting about the national anthem F-up so maybe he's going to play for Uruguay after all.

At this point I think Aron Johannsson might be Icelandic Giuseppe Rossi. Probably should have picked his home country for a number of reasons.

26 and up, certainly no problem seeing more Gonzalez, Besler, Zusi, Shea. Eric Lichaj can come too. Ready to move on from Jonathan Spector.

And please... no more Wondo. I was rooting for him to exorcise the demons last night, and he's a beast in MLS but he's just not translating to the USMNT the way one would think a guy who's done what he's done in San Jose should. At some point you just have to shrug and move on. I didn't hate the play but at his age what has been and what will be are not going to change.
 
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Ugh if there is one thing I hate that comes up in discussions about the USMNT right now it's the "well the talent pool is not good." It's the most common argument from Klinsmann defenders and its total BS. Bob Bradley and Bruce Arena would've killed to have this talent pool! I mean look at the players they started: Ricardo Clark started against Spain in 2009, Robbie Finlay against England in 2010, Jeff Agoos against Portugal in 2002, like half the lineup in 2006. These guys started basically because there were no better options and none of them would even crack the 23 man roster today!

Really hate that argument.

I agree with you that the pool is better, I think selection is part of the problem. Wondolowski should not have been on this team. Nagbe and Pulisic should have gotten more playing time leading up to this tournament to be prepared to play. I do think that it is hard to argue with anyone saying that the suspensions was probably the biggest issue with the team last night. That continuity that led to the success was broken and basically the entire attacking left triangle had to be replaced. THat would be hard for just about any team to deal with. I will say that my biggest issue with last night's game was Klinsmann talking about not playing scared and taking it to Argentina and then choosing the most conservative lineup he could and effectively having his actions speak louder than words that his team should be scared.
 
Ugh if there is one thing I hate that comes up in discussions about the USMNT right now it's the "well the talent pool is not good." It's the most common argument from Klinsmann defenders and its total BS. Bob Bradley and Bruce Arena would've killed to have this talent pool! I mean look at the players they started: Ricardo Clark started against Spain in 2009, Robbie Finlay against England in 2010, Jeff Agoos against Portugal in 2002, like half the lineup in 2006. These guys started basically because there were no better options and none of them would even crack the 23 man roster today!

Really hate that argument.

I feel like I was saying we had a lot of talent (albeit young and unproven works in progress) to compete for the open spots.
 
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