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World Soccer XXIV: The Road to Rio

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Interview with US Soccer President Sunil Gulati on how future World Cup sites will be awarded:

FIFA executive committee member Sunil Gulati, who is also president of the U.S. Soccer Federation, still has deep concerns about the process that led to Qatar beating his country and others to the 2022 World Cup.

Gulati said that while the American bid was centered on purely sporting objectives, rivals wanted the World Cup as a platform for their countries to project themselves on the world stage.

"The rules, the procedures, need to be very different than they are now,'' Gulati told the Leaders in Football conference in London. "It's a unique situation that the Olympics and the World Cup have become so important to countries that nation states are now essentially bidding, it's no longer bid committees.

"That's a very difficult situation for countries like England or the United States, frankly, which operate differently. We are not going to conduct a foreign policy based on hosting a World Cup ... it's just never going to be important.''

FIFA has already started to overhaul the process since the 2018 and 2022 World Cups were decided in 2010 by an executive committee discredited by corruption allegations linked to the bidding contests. In future, all of FIFA's members will be asked to choose future World Cup hosts.

If the U.S., which hosted the 1994 tournament, is to bid again, Gulati wants to know that voters will follow the technical inspection reports that seemed to be ignored when Qatar was awarded the 2022 tournament despite the summer heat being declared a high risk.

Gulati said FIFA also needs to establish in advance if a particular continent will be designated a tournament and he would prefer the vote not to be held in secret.

"Would we be interested in bidding for 2026? The procedures would need to be very different to what they are now,'' said Gulati, who joined FIFA's ruling executive this year. "If the critical issue is taking it to new lands, then tell us in advance, because we won't bother.

"The rules need to be clearer and tighter. And the process needs to be better. If you are stepping on to a field of play, you know what the rules are.''
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Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/so...rld-cup-voting-rule-changes.ap/#ixzz2hLGdt3xY
 
Summer heat was a "high risk?" After 18 years of working on military aircraft thermal management systems, I can assure you that heat in the Middle East is a fact, not a risk. Boneheads....
 
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LynahFan said:
Summer heat was a "high risk?" After 18 years of working on military aircraft thermal management systems, I can assure you that heat in the Middle East is a fact, not a risk. Boneheads....
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It's just the rampant use of slave labor and lack of stadiums that are.
 
Question: Europe has nine groups, with the winners qualifying and the top 8 runners up matching up for the four additional spots. Since the ninth group only has 5 teams, the teams in that group play two fewer games than the others.

Are they (presumably the French) boned when it comes to being one of the top 8 runners up, or is there some method to account for them having played two fewer games?
 
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unofan said:
Question: Europe has nine groups, with the winners qualifying and the top 8 runners up matching up for the four additional spots. Since the ninth group only has 5 teams, the teams in that group play two fewer games than the others.

Are they (presumably the French) boned when it comes to being one of the top 8 runners up, or is there some method to account for them having played two fewer games?
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Never mind. Found the answer in a random article, Because why would fifa want to make the rules clear and post them in a highly visible and obvious spot....

Apparently results against the bottom-placed teams in the first 8 groups will not count for purposes of picking the best runners up.
 
unofan said:
Question: Europe has nine groups, with the winners qualifying and the top 8 runners up matching up for the four additional spots. Since the ninth group only has 5 teams, the teams in that group play two fewer games than the others.

Are they (presumably the French) boned when it comes to being one of the top 8 runners up, or is there some method to account for them having played two fewer games?
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IIRC, records are computed absent the last place team in the other groups.

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LynahFan said:
Summer heat was a "high risk?" After 18 years of working on military aircraft thermal management systems, I can assure you that heat in the Middle East is a fact, not a risk. Boneheads....
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It's not that there's a high risk of heat, it's that the fact of heat poses a high risk for a successful tournament.
 
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Craig P. said:
It's not that there's a high risk of heat, it's that the fact of heat poses a high risk for a successful tournament.
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And, you know, could cause players or spectators to drop dead.
 
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LynahFan said:
Summer heat was a "high risk?" After 18 years of working on military aircraft thermal management systems, I can assure you that heat in the Middle East is a fact, not a risk. Boneheads....
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summer lovin', happened so fast.
summer lovin', had me a blast
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
It's just the rampant use of slave labor and lack of stadiums that are.
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Craig P. said:
It's not that there's a high risk of heat, it's that the fact of heat poses a high risk for a successful tournament.
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Priceless said:
And, you know, could cause players or spectators to drop dead.
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All that plus the fact that they'll be very unlikely to serve booze in the stadiums, or even set up some sort of a tailgating tent out in the parking lot before the game where fans can get a little more liquid into their systems before the game.
 
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unofan said:
Never mind. Found the answer in a random article, Because why would fifa want to make the rules clear and post them in a highly visible and obvious spot....

Apparently results against the bottom-placed teams in the first 8 groups will not count for purposes of picking the best runners up.
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In fairness to FIFA, I think it's UEFA to blame here; aren't the confederations assigned a number of bids to allocate by FIFA and then essentially allowed to come up with whatever qualifying setup for arriving at that number of bids that they want and consider appropriate to their group of nations? Which is why you have one big round robin in South America, nine groups followed by playoffs in Europe, and multi-staged qualifying in the other continents.

Speaking of which, reminder for anyone who might want to watch: don't forget that today's qualifier is at the abnormally early 6:30pm (even earlier in less important time zones). Now, go Panama!
 
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If the Cup stays in Qatar and I know it's a pipe dream, I'd love an England vs. USA or Israel final so they can choke on it.
 
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In fairness to FIFA, I think it's UEFA to blame here; aren't the confederations assigned a number of bids to allocate by FIFA and then essentially allowed to come up with whatever qualifying setup for arriving at that number of bids that they want and consider appropriate to their group of nations? Which is why you have one big round robin in South America, nine groups followed by playoffs in Europe, and multi-staged qualifying in the other continents.

Speaking of which, reminder for anyone who might want to watch: don't forget that today's qualifier is at the abnormally early 6:30pm (even earlier in less important time zones). Now, go Panama!
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You'd think FIFA could at least note that point on their official site though, maybe on the page providing the rules for the European qualifying? If they can tell us how each pot is drawn into each group, they could tell us how the best runners up are selected.
 
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Norway and Austria are two of the teams in slightly dire straights that I'm pulling for to win and keep their hopes alive for a second place finish.

Looks like Norway's not in a good position after giving up two goals to Slovenia (who are a point ahead of them in third) at 13' and 15'.

And Austria's one up on Sweden!

Edit: Norway continues to have no hope on the international stage as Slovenia just went another goal up on them. A comeback isn't terribly likely at this point.
 
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I pull for England just because I'd like to see them win the World Cup or Euros just to see Platini die inside.
 
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If the current results hold, Ukraine beats Poland and England ties Montenegro.

On the final day, that would put England 2 points behind Ukraine (who plays San Marino) and 1 point ahead of Montenegro (who plays Moldova). In essence, England would have the slightly more challenging feat of needing to beat Poland in order to not be eliminated from the World Cup, and even then it's incredibly likely that they are only in second.
 
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unofan said:
You'd think FIFA could at least note that point on their official site though, maybe on the page providing the rules for the European qualifying? If they can tell us how each pot is drawn into each group, they could tell us how the best runners up are selected.
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OK, that's true though. Didn't realize they had that much info on their website but still left out details like this.
 
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