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World Soccer XXIII - "Pay" Up Pompey?

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MountieBoyOz said:
As a United fan, I really don't have anything bad to say about Arsenal. They aren't irritating like some of the big clubs. I like Wegner and the team tries to build up through youth players and such. I understand the need for splashing the cash sometimes, but Chelsea and City are annoying. Roman is a power-mad Russian mafia don that changes his coaches more than he changes his underwear. I hate how he fired DiMatteo only a few months after winning the European Cup. I thought City was a little better, but they fired Mancini only a year after he won City's first title in nearly 50 years. I hate how coaches get fired for a trophyless season. If United did that years ago, they never would've had the success and be the massively big club they are today.
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Players win, coaches lose. Heck, Ohio State or Michigan coaches get fired for losing to each other three times in a row.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
As a United fan, I really don't have anything bad to say about Arsenal. They aren't irritating like some of the big clubs. I like Wegner and the team tries to build up through youth players and such. I understand the need for splashing the cash sometimes, but Chelsea and City are annoying. Roman is a power-mad Russian mafia don that changes his coaches more than he changes his underwear. I hate how he fired DiMatteo only a few months after winning the European Cup. I thought City was a little better, but they fired Mancini only a year after he won City's first title in nearly 50 years. I hate how coaches get fired for a trophyless season. If United did that years ago, they never would've had the success and be the massively big club they are today.
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I read a good article over the weekend about how City is trying to mold itself into a more cohesive structure and Mancini didn't want to play in that sandbox...the article may have been fed by City PR dept so I can't say it was balanced. It did point out how Mancini is a Mike Holmgren type (coach, GM, final say) and City wanted to have a manager that knew the junior players, wanted to interact with the whole staff and be part of the organization. (Not saying Holmgren had those last few issues) The article said the new guy may not have won in EPL yet but has won in So America and apparently believes in developing players and bringing them up.

I know teams will navigate around Fair Play but it seems that some amount of success will be predicated on periodically bringing in your academy guys with low salaries to balance out the wage schedule. If Mancini didn't agree with that direction, i can see why he had to go, regardless. Similar to MON and Villa, when Martin didn't want to follow the strategic direction, he had to go, even if he was the best person to manage the team at that late stage.

I don't know the pracitcal implications of Fair Play as they impact the big money clubs...even if they can skirt around the sponsorship issues...but the mentality of buy whoever you want with no regard for the total wage bill doesn't appear to be the way of the future.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
As a United fan, I really don't have anything bad to say about Arsenal. They aren't irritating like some of the big clubs. I like Wegner and the team tries to build up through youth players and such. I understand the need for splashing the cash sometimes, but Chelsea and City are annoying. Roman is a power-mad Russian mafia don that changes his coaches more than he changes his underwear. I hate how he fired DiMatteo only a few months after winning the European Cup. I thought City was a little better, but they fired Mancini only a year after he won City's first title in nearly 50 years. I hate how coaches get fired for a trophyless season. If United did that years ago, they never would've had the success and be the massively big club they are today.
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Well said. Of course it's a little hard to have ManU fans saying they don't have anything bad to say about Arsenal. Not like the old days of Keene, Vieira, Keown, Ruud, etc. when every clash was epic.

pirate, agreed that it's hard to know how the Fair Play rules will really work. Probably in the end teams will somehow work around them, not to mention they'll probably have some unintended side effects.
 
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pirate said:
I read a good article over the weekend about how City is trying to mold itself into a more cohesive structure and Mancini didn't want to play in that sandbox...the article may have been fed by City PR dept so I can't say it was balanced. It did point out how Mancini is a Mike Holmgren type (coach, GM, final say) and City wanted to have a manager that knew the junior players, wanted to interact with the whole staff and be part of the organization. (Not saying Holmgren had those last few issues) The article said the new guy may not have won in EPL yet but has won in So America and apparently believes in developing players and bringing them up.
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Sounds like this link might lead to that article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/so...city-robert-mancini-ferran-soriano/index.html
 
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Since I didn't see it mentioned, after 16 years of ownership, last Friday Mohamed al-Fayed sold Fulham to Shahid Khan, the Pakistani-American self-made billionaire and handlebar mustache enthusiast who owns the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's been a few days now but it's still pretty surreal.

People are looking at his net worth and postulating that he might be willing to spend a lot more on players than al-Fayed, but I think that view sort of ignores the fact that al-Fayed is also a billionaire, just a somewhat less wealthy billionaire. In his comments, Khan seemed to indicate that he was in favor of responsible management, which suggests to me that the same efficiency-driven policies will continue.
 
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jmh said:
Since I didn't see it mentioned, after 16 years of ownership, last Friday Mohamed al-Fayed sold Fulham to Shahid Khan, the Pakistani-American self-made billionaire and handlebar mustache enthusiast who owns the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's been a few days now but it's still pretty surreal.

People are looking at his net worth and postulating that he might be willing to spend a lot more on players than al-Fayed, but I think that view sort of ignores the fact that al-Fayed is also a billionaire, just a somewhat less wealthy billionaire. In his comments, Khan seemed to indicate that he was in favor of responsible management, which suggests to me that the same efficiency-driven policies will continue.
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I assume that Fulham's debts to al-Fayed were discharged as part of the sale?
 
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Landon Donovan is pretty good at soccer:
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Craig P. said:
I assume that Fulham's debts to al-Fayed were discharged as part of the sale?
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al-Fayed converted his debts to equity (I don't understand the accounting of it, just repeating what I read) sometime last season.
Jimjamesak said:
Landon Donovan is pretty good at soccer:
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He really put that on a tee for Shea.
 
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jmh said:
al-Fayed converted his debts to equity (I don't understand the accounting of it, just repeating what I read) sometime last season.He really put that on a tee for Shea.
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He should have had a goal too...on the free kick after the goalie's yellow card...how that card wasn't red, I don't know...the only thing I can think of is that if he doesn't put his hands up it still hits him in the chest so it didn't really stop an obvious scoring chance...
 
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CLS said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/so...ld-cup-winter-2022.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a7&eref=sihp



It was not "rational and reasonable" to award them the WC in the first place. So now you screw up all the national leagues so you can have a WC in hell-on-earth?:mad:
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makes sense right? We got paid alot to let Qatar host a World Cup so we're going to let them completely change the world soccer schedule to make it work not in the Summer because it would not be rational or reasonable."
 
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CLS said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/so...ld-cup-winter-2022.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a7&eref=sihp



It was not "rational and reasonable" to award them the WC in the first place. So now you screw up all the national leagues so you can have a WC in hell-on-earth?:mad:
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Shirtless Guy said:
makes sense right? We got paid alot to let Qatar host a World Cup so we're going to let them completely change the world soccer schedule to make it work not in the Summer because it would not be rational or reasonable."
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If we're just going to switch things around now, why not just switch who's going to host the dang thing and make it far less of a hassle for everybody involved?? I'm sure the big Euro Leagues would favor that idea, perhaps somewhere in the Western Hemisphere they might find more accommodating locations with temps a little more reasonable to kick a soccer ball around in?
 
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bigmrg74 said:
If we're just going to switch things around now, why not just switch who's going to host the dang thing and make it far less of a hassle for everybody involved?? I'm sure the big Euro Leagues would favor that idea, perhaps somewhere in the Western Hemisphere they might find more accommodating locations with temps a little more reasonable to kick a soccer ball around in?
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Yah, even moving it to Phoenix in the summer would be a moderation in weather from the current location!
 
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FIFA is really going to a lot of trouble to screw the U.S. and England just to have us not hold a World Cup.
 
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The USA-Costa Rica match drew 484,000 viewers making it the 5th highest-rated show ever on Fox Soccer Channel.
 
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