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World Soccer XXIII - "Pay" Up Pompey?

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First Time said:
Any worries for the World Cup in Brazil with what happened in Sao Paulo and the problems with protests in the Confederations Cup?
Would FIFA even care?
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I expect FIFA will release a statement celebrating what passionate fans the Brazilians are. You wouldn't see behavior like that in the football wasteland that is the United States.
 
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CONCACAF Gold Cup gets underway with Martinique beating Canada 1-0.

Good God Canada sucks. And the sad part is they really shouldn't.
 
The Ghana-Chile match was excellent. What a crazy ending.

In the "too bad somebody has to lose" category, this one was up there.
 
Jimjamesak said:
CONCACAF Gold Cup gets underway with Martinique beating Canada 1-0.

Good God Canada sucks. And the sad part is they really shouldn't.
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Aaaaaaaaaaand Mexico loses to Panama 2-1. That sound you hear from the south is the knives being sharpened for De La Torre...
 
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Jimjamesak said:
CONCACAF Gold Cup gets underway with Martinique beating Canada 1-0.

Good God Canada sucks. And the sad part is they really shouldn't.
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It's quite disappointing the way Canada has just drifted. I know they may not have what we have, but you'd think they'd at least make the Hex.
 
MountieBoyOz said:
It's quite disappointing the way Canada has just drifted. I know they may not have what we have, but you'd think they'd at least make the Hex.
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The CSA is the worst run Fed in the world. The sad part is they have a good fanbase. But at this point it's gonna take an armed revolt to fix things in Canada.
 
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Priceless said:
I expect FIFA will release a statement celebrating what passionate fans the Brazilians are. You wouldn't see behavior like that in the football wasteland that is the United States.
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Yah, and if something like that happened in England, one can only imagine how hard FIFA would come down on them.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yah, and if something like that happened in England, one can only imagine how hard FIFA would come down on them.
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They'd expel them from the Champions League, Europa League and ban them from qualifying for the World Cup as per Platini's insistence.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
It's quite disappointing the way Canada has just drifted. I know they may not have what we have, but you'd think they'd at least make the Hex.
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I'll tell you this, some of the best youth teams my son has faced have been from Canada. They are mostly select type teams but they have a heavy influence of kids from Africa, the islands etc.

Just like Belgium has a decent national team due, in part, to guys born in Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if Canada has a better team in the future.

Of course they have the same problem the US has, it is a huge country and it is hard to consolidate talent across that geography.
 
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pirate said:
I'll tell you this, some of the best youth teams my son has faced have been from Canada. They are mostly select type teams but they have a heavy influence of kids from Africa, the islands etc.

Just like Belgium has a decent national team due, in part, to guys born in Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if Canada has a better team in the future.

Of course they have the same problem the US has, it is a huge country and it is hard to consolidate talent across that geography.
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Actually, reading comments online, their youth system is a major problem right now. It's basically all rec soccer with crappy coaching and no skill development. This article on TSN was a pretty interesting read.

Honestly Canada is a serious mess soccer wise. They're honestly at a point where the US was 30 years ago (at a point when Canada was about to qualify for Mexico 86), their Fed is run by a bunch of old guard soccer guys just seeking to further themselves and their buddies. There's no youth structure, no formal coaching programs, and their National Team is not good (even their Womens Team struggles more often than not, they preceded their Bronze Medal in 2012 with an 0-3 and out at the 2011 WWC).

Canada basically needs some real executive/management help before anything. They have tools to help them succeed player wise with 3 MLS teams and (soon to be) 2 NASL teams developing players. But they need real help organizing things. They named a new coach two days before the Gold Cup! Their previous coach was fired in October! The biggest sign that things suck is that Vancouver and Montreal have their Academy Teams play in the US Development Academy leagues!

As for World Cup Qualifying, Canada is equal parts not as good and very unlucky. Since reaching the Hex in 1998 Qualifying (and reaching the Intercontinental Playoffs in 1994) they've gotten some pretty horrid draws in the Third Round. 2006 they had Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Honduras. 2010 they had Mexico, Jamaica, and Honduras! Their biggest fault is they lost a lot at home: 2002 they won one game at home, 2006 they tied one and lost two, 2010 they tied two and lost one, in 2014 they actually won two and tied one but that tie to Honduras cost them a spot in the Hex.

Canada is just a mess at the top and like they say, "* rolls downhill." The MLS teams I think engineering a hostile takeover of the CSA is about their only chance to be honest.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
As for World Cup Qualifying, Canada is equal parts not as good and very unlucky. Since reaching the Hex in 1998 Qualifying (and reaching the Intercontinental Playoffs in 1994) they've gotten some pretty horrid draws in the Third Round.
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Bad performance begets bad draws. The weaker the pot you're drawn from, the more good teams you're liable to see in your group.
 
Craig P. said:
Bad performance begets bad draws. The weaker the pot you're drawn from, the more good teams you're liable to see in your group.
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I dunno, take that group they had in 2010 qualifying and replace Mexico with the US. Think that would be an easy time? The way CONCACAF Qualifying runs and the way the pots are determined will always lead to draws like that. Historically, in the Semifinal Round, there is always one group of death it seems. Canada has had some bad luck by being in that group lately.

edit Look at the pots for the draw in 2014 qualifying. The US could've ended up in a group with Costa Rica, Panama, and Guatemala. And the US was the #1 ranked team. Canada got drawn into a group with the #3 (Honduras), #6 (Cuba), and #7 (Panama) while being ranked #8.
 
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I believe I heard during a game I was watching online that they're looking at Canada to be a potential location for a NWSL expansion team. I wouldn't be surprised if they put one in Toronto to give WNY a natural rival.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Actually, reading comments online, their youth system is a major problem right now. It's basically all rec soccer with crappy coaching and no skill development. This article on TSN was a pretty interesting read.

Honestly Canada is a serious mess soccer wise. They're honestly at a point where the US was 30 years ago (at a point when Canada was about to qualify for Mexico 86), their Fed is run by a bunch of old guard soccer guys just seeking to further themselves and their buddies. There's no youth structure, no formal coaching programs, and their National Team is not good (even their Womens Team struggles more often than not, they preceded their Bronze Medal in 2012 with an 0-3 and out at the 2011 WWC).

Canada basically needs some real executive/management help before anything. They have tools to help them succeed player wise with 3 MLS teams and (soon to be) 2 NASL teams developing players. But they need real help organizing things. They named a new coach two days before the Gold Cup! Their previous coach was fired in October! The biggest sign that things suck is that Vancouver and Montreal have their Academy Teams play in the US Development Academy leagues!

As for World Cup Qualifying, Canada is equal parts not as good and very unlucky. Since reaching the Hex in 1998 Qualifying (and reaching the Intercontinental Playoffs in 1994) they've gotten some pretty horrid draws in the Third Round. 2006 they had Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Honduras. 2010 they had Mexico, Jamaica, and Honduras! Their biggest fault is they lost a lot at home: 2002 they won one game at home, 2006 they tied one and lost two, 2010 they tied two and lost one, in 2014 they actually won two and tied one but that tie to Honduras cost them a spot in the Hex.

Canada is just a mess at the top and like they say, "* rolls downhill." The MLS teams I think engineering a hostile takeover of the CSA is about their only chance to be honest.
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My comparison was a few current Canadian select youth teams to US based club teams. Current national team results aren't good and I don't think the best youth club team in the US or Canada would be a contender internationally. As we've seen, the US U20's aren't a powerhouse.

I don't know how many of the current national players are 1st gen Canadians, the youth teams we've played are heavily weighted by kids who clearly aren't long-term Canadians. If a country has a poor national team and at the same time is increasing the inflow of kids from better soccer playing nations, it may improve their national team...maybe faster than they could fix the system and train 4th gen canadians.

It is much easier to attract 20 kids from the Toronto area to spend the summer travelling to US tournaments on a select team than it is to meld a national team across a huge, hockey playing country into a squad that can beat the perenial powers.

So, my note about them being potentially better is relative, they may suck now, they may suck less if the team 10 years from now is 8 guys from Africa, the islands and Mexico and 3 homegrown guys.

But they still might not qualify for much.
 
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Canada's women's national team did very well in the last Women's world cup, many people thought Sinclair should have been player of the tournament.
 
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