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World Soccer XXIII - "Pay" Up Pompey?

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Shirtless Guy said:
They'd have to suck it up like the US did in 1994 and put in grass.
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Exactly. If you're going to bid to host the World Cup, you better understand that you'll need grass in any stadium that will stage a game. That being said, getting grass is relatively easy compared to getting the stadia.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Exactly. If you're going to bid to host the World Cup, you better understand that you'll need grass in any stadium that will stage a game. That being said, getting grass is relatively easy compared to getting the stadia.
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Obviously. Were there any issues from the 1994 cup with fields because of the temp grass?
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Oh yeah. My bad. Forgot about that one.
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I believe FIFA also stretched some rules on minimum sizes for the field and # of covered seats. Those issues are less likely to creep up now with so many new stadiums designed to meet FIFA requirements...at least for the field size, still not sure about covered seats.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I believe FIFA also stretched some rules on minimum sizes for the field and # of covered seats. Those issues are less likely to creep up now with so many new stadiums designed to meet FIFA requirements...at least for the field size, still not sure about covered seats.
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The field size rules are 110-120x70-80 (all yards). Obviously the USA easily just uses the longer end of the length given the American Football field length is that long when you include end zones, and I believe they use the short end of the width since all the way back to the coaching boxes is about 61 yards, and you have to go further back into the team boxes to fit the width. As a comparison, the Carrier Dome is 215 feet wide, which equates to 71 2/3 yards. You'd have 2.5 feet on either side for the throw in area (we're not even including the benches on this). I'm sure some of the domes where they might actually play World Cup games are wider, but this may be one of the concerns with CONCACAF countries such as USA and Canada getting bids as they'd be playing on converted American football or Canadian football fields that are either not wide enough or overly long (in the case of Canada).
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
The field size rules are 110-120x70-80 (all yards). Obviously the USA easily just uses the longer end of the length given the American Football field length is that long when you include end zones, and I believe they use the short end of the width since all the way back to the coaching boxes is about 61 yards, and you have to go further back into the team boxes to fit the width. As a comparison, the Carrier Dome is 215 feet wide, which equates to 71 2/3 yards. You'd have 2.5 feet on either side for the throw in area (we're not even including the benches on this). I'm sure some of the domes where they might actually play World Cup games are wider, but this may be one of the concerns with CONCACAF countries such as USA and Canada getting bids as they'd be playing on converted American football or Canadian football fields that are either not wide enough or overly long (in the case of Canada).
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But what I am saying is that a lot of the new fields are wider in anticipation of world cup qualifiers and world cup matches. Seattle's CenturyLink is 116 x 75.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
But what I am saying is that a lot of the new fields are wider in anticipation of world cup qualifiers and world cup matches. Seattle's CenturyLink is 116 x 75.
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This is very true. At this point, 120 length just seems to be a staple because of A.F. What is the inside radius on the curvatures of a standard track and field track? I've noticed that a lot of multipurpose stadiums put the pitch inside of a track; wanted to get an idea of how large those are. Obviously at least 120 yds long since you can fit a A.F. field in there.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
But what I am saying is that a lot of the new fields are wider in anticipation of world cup qualifiers and world cup matches. Seattle's CenturyLink is 116 x 75.
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Exactly. The USA is far more ready today for a World Cup than in 1988. Moreover, it appears that the USA would have 10+ years to prepare if selected for the 2026 Cup, so I wouldn't worry at all. There will be several big markets that will likely have new/modified stadia in between now and 2026, and my guess is that any of those stadia would be capable of hosting a World Cup match.

As for being ready today, I would guess the following stadia would be on the list:
- Seattle (CenturyLink)
- New York (MetLife)
- Dallas (Cowboy's Stadium)
- Washington (FedEx Field/RFK)
- LA (Rose Bowl)
- Houston (Reliant)
- Boston (Foxborough)
- Chicago (Soldier Field)

Obviously a few of those would need temporary grass, but the field size should be fine for World Cup matches. I'm sure I'm missing a few, and I would wager that by 2026 that list would double (triple?) in size.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Exactly. The USA is far more ready today for a World Cup than in 1988. Moreover, it appears that the USA would have 10+ years to prepare if selected for the 2026 Cup, so I wouldn't worry at all. There will be several big markets that will likely have new/modified stadia in between now and 2026, and my guess is that any of those stadia would be capable of hosting a World Cup match.

As for being ready today, I would guess the following stadia would be on the list:
- Seattle (CenturyLink)
- New York (MetLife)
- Dallas (Cowboy's Stadium)
- Washington (FedEx Field/RFK)
- LA (Rose Bowl)
- Houston (Reliant)
- Boston (Foxborough)
- Chicago (Soldier Field)

Obviously a few of those would need temporary grass, but the field size should be fine for World Cup matches. I'm sure I'm missing a few, and I would wager that by 2026 that list would double (triple?) in size.
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You also have the new Vikings Stadium, new 49ers Stadium, Lucas Oil, Lincoln Financial...
 
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To be honest, I don't like our chances at hosting a World Cup. If it was about stadiums and infrastructure and profit then we would be hosting in 2022 after the wonderful 2018 World Cup in England. But FIFA isn't like that. It's run by crooks who seek to line their pockets with bribery and corruption. And guess who FIFA doesn't want sniffing around their business? The FBI.
 
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pirate said:
While we had stretches of holding our own, the U20's were handled easily by Spain. Now, it is Spain and these kids have apparently not lost an international match since they were 4. But, while we look at gaps between senior sides, it is noteworthy that the younger guys don't appear to be any more competitive, despite presumably having better facilities, early training etc.
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I don't see any reason to believe our younger guys have better facilities than the young Spanish players, who almost all play for the few biggest clubs in Spain, and they certainly don't get the same standard of coaching.
 
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jmh said:
I don't see any reason to believe our younger guys have better facilities than the young Spanish players, who almost all play for the few biggest clubs in Spain, and they certainly don't get the same standard of coaching.
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Sorry, what I meant is that we have improved facilities and training here over the last decade...we could expect US Soccer to have identified the gaps between training here and abroad and close some of them. So, my thought was that the gap between 29 year olds (ESP v USA) would be greater than 19 year olds based on assumed improvements in the states.

Not that we'd win but perhaps demonstrate we are on the right path. Only one game, so I don't want to make a conclusion based only on that, but to the naked eye, I thought we looked overmatched and if we played 10 might lose all 10. I would have like to think I would have been more optimistic prior to watching the game.

That being said, I saw some real creative play out of hernandez and garcia. I would say the roster is at least 70% hispanic ethnicity.
 
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Gotcha. I think our facilities here have improved, yes, but the standard of coaching still isn't remotely comparable I don't think.
 
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Another big reason is that there is a much more popular and supportive fall-time sport in this country's eyes.
 
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I think alot of it is the win first attitude in this country. It's not about developing skills and experimenting with creativity. Winning is priority one at almost every level in this country.
 
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You could most likely also add Raymond James (Tampa) to the list. I know they held a CONCACAF qually last June there, and there is a pretty good amount of room on the sidelines for the extra.
 
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Don't laugh, but I think some of it is just in the blood. I think the best athletes in Denmark could practice baseball for 10 years straight and not beat a good HS team from Texas. Maybe 25 years. In the US we're dealing with kids who still primarliy have learned the game from external sources, yet a kid with parents from mexico might have started kicking a soccer ball at age <1, and every uncle and cousin in the family has played and they play at gatherings etc. their teachers played, neighbors, every kid on the block etc.

A kid in Spain can say his grandfathers played. In spain or Mexico soccer is part of recess, birthday parties, gym class etc. In the US, most club kids practice 2 times a week and play on Saturday. And even if they practiced 8 days a week, I'm not sure they could beat a good HS team from Spain. Imagine taking 22 kids in Spain at age 5 and teaching them football, our football. Could they beat a JV team from Florida if they focused only on football for 10-12 years? I don't think so.
 
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