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World Soccer XXI: Don't Tread on the Red, White, and Blue

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I was going to post that same article yesterday.

It reminded me how disgusted I am by Blackburns new ownership. Big money, Big talk, zero action. :mad:
 
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WeWantMore said:
That story doesn't make sense on a variety of levels, particularly when one considers who the foreign owned teams are. Sure, Fulham and QPR might be relegation candidates, but Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Aston Villa? Not what I think of as clubs in danger of relegation.
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Also, does al-Fayed really even count as "foreign" at this point? He's lived in the UK for over 45 years and tried to get citizenship there many times.
 
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Promotion is the one thing clubs look forward to so they can turn their fortunes around and get more money, support and interest. To take that away would be downright wrong.
 
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What makes me sick is that the vast majority of the American owners just want to make money by selling soccer and want to take away what little risk they have left.

Same reason that kept many of them out of MLS and American soccer, they don't want to put in the effort or take the risk. Glazer could've owned the Tampa Bar Mutiny ten years ago but didn't want the risk, now he owns Man U and wants to remove what little risk he has left in the venture. * Glazer, * Man U, and * the EPL!
 
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Jimjamesak said:
What makes me sick is that the vast majority of the American owners just want to make money by selling soccer and want to take away what little risk they have left.

Same reason that kept many of them out of MLS and American soccer, they don't want to put in the effort or take the risk. Glazer could've owned the Tampa Bar Mutiny ten years ago but didn't want the risk, now he owns Man U and wants to remove what little risk he has left in the venture. * Glazer, * Man U, and * the EPL!
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Much of that seems pretty unfounded. Again, you really believe Malcolm Glazer, owner of Manchester United, is worried about relegation? Please.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
What makes me sick is that the vast majority of the American owners just want to make money by selling soccer and want to take away what little risk they have left.

Same reason that kept many of them out of MLS and American soccer, they don't want to put in the effort or take the risk. Glazer could've owned the Tampa Bar Mutiny ten years ago but didn't want the risk, now he owns Man U and wants to remove what little risk he has left in the venture. * Glazer, * Man U, and * the EPL!
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I agree in principle about US owners in EPL, but I don't really see the "risk" in MLS. It's single entity so it literally does not matter whether you "own" a team -- you just happen to run that Mac outlet store.

Or am I totally missing your point?

Relegation is a great Brit tradition. It's too bad it wouldn't ever be accepted here (in tandem with a salary cap). Maybe we could have a rule that if a team finishes with the worst record in the AL, NL, AFC and NFC, all its ownership shares become valueless. :)
 
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Kepler said:
Relegation is a great Brit tradition. It's too bad it wouldn't ever be accepted here (in tandem with a salary cap).
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On the one hand, I can sympathize with the romance of a club working their way up the ladder from local league all the way to the very top level.

But on the other hand, I think that pro/rel has a pretty significant impact on the lack of top-to-bottom mobility in the European leagues, and compared to the American model, I don't think that's a good thing.
 
Kepler said:
I agree in principle about US owners in EPL, but I don't really see the "risk" in MLS. It's single entity so it literally does not matter whether you "own" a team -- you just happen to run that Mac outlet store.

Or am I totally missing your point?
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Well this was 2000, 2001 right before the Tampa Bay Mutiny were contracted. At that point in time there was a great amount of risk involved in MLS as there were basically 3 guys owning the league and they were losing a good amount of money. Glazer had a chance to buy the Mutiny but didn't want in, a few years later he's spending hand over fist to control Man U.
 
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Much of that seems pretty unfounded. Again, you really believe Malcolm Glazer, owner of Manchester United, is worried about relegation? Please.
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The risk is always there no matter the team, the plan basically involves taking away that risk.
 
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Come on Philly and Portland. I so want to see Red Bull Crap NY miss the playoffs. They deserve it.
 
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Kepler said:
Relegation is a great Brit tradition. It's too bad it wouldn't ever be accepted here (in tandem with a salary cap). Maybe we could have a rule that if a team finishes with the worst record in the AL, NL, AFC and NFC, all its ownership shares become valueless. :)
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It's the way European national leagues work is nearly every country and nearly every sport. It'll never happen, of course, but I think pro/rel could be interesting in college sports.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
The risk is always there no matter the team, the plan basically involves taking away that risk.
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In a statistical sense, yeah, it's not zero, but come on, there's no way in reality than Manchester United in this day and age gets relegated.

Also, you have no evidence that Glazer is even one of these "FOREIGNERS!!!" behind the proposal. Or indeed, that those scary foreigners are even behind it at all.
 
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Sketchy disallowed goal in Harrison. Philly may still be lucky that the Red Bulls have only one goal, but I'm amazed that the Union didn't just tie it up.
 
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HumRsky said:
It's the way European national leagues work is nearly every country and nearly every sport. It'll never happen, of course, but I think pro/rel could be interesting in college sports.
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It would be pretty awesome for individual sports I think, but just a bloody nightmare overall for the Athletic Department as a whole. Unless they somehow factored it on how the athletic department does as a whole, like how the Director's Cup does it. Perhaps 10 leagues of 10 schools. The worst team in each League gets regulated from D1-A to D1-AA. D1-AA is 100 schools with ten leagues of 10 schools. The top D1-AA schools would move up, and yet would still get to face the D1-A schools in the playoffs events like the Big Dance for basketball. The ten worse D1-AA schools would get shipped down to a D2-A Level. D2 would be two levels of a hundred schools each, a D2-A and a D2-AA. Then there would be a D3, with a bunch of different levels there as well. Maybe make the levels there more like 150 schools perhaps between the D3-A, the D3-AA, and the D3-AAA. The different "A" class levels are just for the football teams to compete against in the playoffs, and they would be very heavily weighted on factoring in who moves up, and who moves down, since that's about the only way you would be able to sell this crazy idea to the South.
 
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Pretty big news, FOX has won the TV rights to the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

Who knows what the TV situation looks like by then, but it will certainly be a different experience.
 
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