World Soccer XVI: The Sadness

[Red Cloud]

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I could see each World Cup coach getting one challenge flag that they could use during the game to challenge a call on the field. The challenge would be video reviewed at the next stoppage in play.

Win the call, and the coach gets the benefit of the reversed call plus retains the challenge flag to use again. Lose the challenge, and you'd need a suitable punishment for delaying the game - maybe other team gets a free kick from 25 or 30 yards out or your team goes down to 10 men for 5 minutes or something like that.

I could see the "temporary red card" working, but the question of which player would be sent off is questionable. If a team's already ahead, it could sideline a forward without too much problem.

Perhaps a red card for the manager?

 

[Kepler]

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Perhaps a red card for the manager?

Would that be a significant punishment? (Honest question.)

 

[Red Cloud]

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Don't know if this was picked up on - probably wasn't in the flurry of stuff coming out of South Africa, but Australia dropped their 2018 bid on June 10, like Japan, to focus on 2022. That leaves the US as the only non-UEFA nation bidding for 2018.

Thoughts? We're highly, highly unlikely to gain the 2018 event anyway since conventional wisdom has it going to Europe, but is there any tangible benefit to staying in anyway?

 

[jmh]

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The Europa League this year experimented with the extra official behind each goal, seemed to work okay.

Seems like such a simple idea, I don't see why they wouldn't do this if they're averse to a technology-oriented solution.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Don't know if this was picked up on - probably wasn't in the flurry of stuff coming out of South Africa, but Australia dropped their 2018 bid on June 10, like Japan, to focus on 2022. That leaves the US as the only non-UEFA nation bidding for 2018.

Thoughts? We're highly, highly unlikely to gain the 2018 event anyway since conventional wisdom has it going to Europe, but is there any tangible benefit to staying in anyway?

Is there any reason to think its a bad idea to stay in anyway? I mean will European countries not vote for USA for 2022 because they didn't drop their 2018 bid? Is it really that much more difficult to put together bids for both events? Sure doesn't seem like it should.

 

[blockski]

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Is there any reason to think its a bad idea to stay in anyway? I mean will European countries not vote for USA for 2022 because they didn't drop their 2018 bid? Is it really that much more difficult to put together bids for both events? Sure doesn't seem like it should.

No, it doesn't, but FIFA's internal politics are a lot like the IOC's. Rational thought and reason doesn't go very far.

 

[Kepler]

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Don't know if this was picked up on - probably wasn't in the flurry of stuff coming out of South Africa, but Australia dropped their 2018 bid on June 10, like Japan, to focus on 2022. That leaves the US as the only non-UEFA nation bidding for 2018.

Thoughts? We're highly, highly unlikely to gain the 2018 event anyway since conventional wisdom has it going to Europe, but is there any tangible benefit to staying in anyway?

Do bids that barely lose increase the likelihood of winning down the road?

Yikes, great save by Mucha keeps it to 1-0.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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No, it doesn't, but FIFA's internal politics are a lot like the IOC's. Rational thought and reason doesn't go very far.

So the USA should be bullied out of the 2018 world cup becasue it "should be" in Europe? Why should the US back out of 2018 if all of the European teams are bidding for both 2018 and 2022?

 

[WeWantMore]

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So the USA should be bullied out of the 2018 world cup becasue it "should be" in Europe? Why should the US back out of 2018 if all of the European teams are bidding for both 2018 and 2022?

I think the goal of the US Bid Committee should be to bring a World Cup tournament to the US. If dropping out of the running for 2018 helps them achieve that goal, so be it.

 

[J.D.]

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Did I read something how a star on the Dutch squad or maybe a few of them questioned whether or not Kuyt should be on the team? Seems to me like he does a ton of work out there...

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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A little impromptu social history on the Velvet Divorce from the commentators.

The Repre held the Netherlands off the board for 17 minutes longer than I expected, anyway.

This is how all divorces should be handled.

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[pirate]

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Did I read something how a star on the Dutch squad or maybe a few of them questioned whether or not Kuyt should be on the team? Seems to me like he does a ton of work out there...

I read the same thing, somewhere...I've not watched his whole career but I would agree that he is active and impactful.

 

[Red Cloud]

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So the USA should be bullied out of the 2018 world cup becasue it "should be" in Europe? Why should the US back out of 2018 if all of the European teams are bidding for both 2018 and 2022?

Reading now that Blatter and Platini, back in January were in talks on colluding to limit 2018 bids to Europe. That was probably the impetus for Japan and Australia dropping out.

It depends on the message that you want to send. Japan and Australia probably also want to be viewed as a potential vote for one of the European bids. At the same time, it pretty much confirms the US as not supporting a European bid.

However, maintaining both bids could be seen as a signal that we're ready to host whenever - doesn't matter to us. It's got to be a feather in the USSF's cap that they were able to take on the 2003 WWC at a moment's notice after the SARS outbreak in China. There aren't many countries out there that could host a World Cup with as little as a year's notice, we're definitely one of them. I seem to recall the USSF unofficially volunteering to host in 2010 if South Africa's building problems dragged out longer than they ended up.

Literally every other bid out there involves the construction of new buildings and/or major renovations to existing buildings. Now that the Meadowlands Stadium (which was being built anyway) is complete, all of our venues are built, huge, and ready to rock.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Don't know if this was picked up on - probably wasn't in the flurry of stuff coming out of South Africa, but Australia dropped their 2018 bid on June 10, like Japan, to focus on 2022. That leaves the US as the only non-UEFA nation bidding for 2018.

Thoughts? We're highly, highly unlikely to gain the 2018 event anyway since conventional wisdom has it going to Europe, but is there any tangible benefit to staying in anyway?

Is there any reason to think its a bad idea to stay in anyway? I mean will European countries not vote for USA for 2022 because they didn't drop their 2018 bid? Is it really that much more difficult to put together bids for both events? Sure doesn't seem like it should.

No, it doesn't, but FIFA's internal politics are a lot like the IOC's. Rational thought and reason doesn't go very far.

So the USA should be bullied out of the 2018 world cup becasue it "should be" in Europe? Why should the US back out of 2018 if all of the European teams are bidding for both 2018 and 2022?

I think the goal of the US Bid Committee should be to bring a World Cup tournament to the US. If dropping out of the running for 2018 helps them achieve that goal, so be it.

It might be worth it to hold a little chat with the English, Russian, Belgian/Dutch, and Portugese/Spanish Committes, to see if we can get a little back scratch deal. I'm sure we would be willing to bow out gracefully for the 2018 bid if they would promise to back us for 2022. And if we can't promise to back them their bid for 2018, why not give them an understanding that they would have our backing should they put a bid in for 2026? So, in theory, we could pencil in England for 2018, USA for 2022, Spain/Portugal in 2026, and maybe Austrailia or Russia in 2030.

A little straw polling wouldn't hurt here at at.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I read the same thing, somewhere...I've not watched his whole career but I would agree that he is active and impactful.

Having seen him play a good bit at Liverpool in recent years, I'd say he's an extremely hard worker and picks up a goal here and there, but isn't a quality finisher like you'd prefer to have in an offensive position. But in a Dutch squad with a lot of offensive talent, I wouldnt' be as concerned as if he had to be the main scorer.

 

[blockski]

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So the USA should be bullied out of the 2018 world cup becasue it "should be" in Europe? Why should the US back out of 2018 if all of the European teams are bidding for both 2018 and 2022?

"Should be." Interesting choice of words. There's a lot of things that should be one way, but that's not reality.

The parallel is the US and the IOC. The US has made it quite clear that they 'should be' hosting more often, given the money they put into the system via TV ratings and whatnot. It sure hasn't worked out that way, and the refusal of several in the US camp to play the political games with the IOC has downright torpedoed several US bids, to the point where the USOC isn't even going to submit bids for the next round of Summer and Winter games.

So, you can play tough all you want and talk about how things 'should be.' It won't get you the right to host, anyway.

The thing is that the US has a very strong case for 2022 anyway. There are few nations in the Americas that can host. If you want to take a moral stand about the fairness of it all, that's great - just make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot in the process.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Reading now that Blatter and Platini, back in January were in talks on colluding to limit 2018 bids to Europe. That was probably the impetus for Japan and Australia dropping out.

It depends on the message that you want to send. Japan and Australia probably also want to be viewed as a potential vote for one of the European bids. At the same time, it pretty much confirms the US as not supporting a European bid.

However, maintaining both bids could be seen as a signal that we're ready to host whenever - doesn't matter to us. It's got to be a feather in the USSF's cap that they were able to take on the 2003 WWC at a moment's notice after the SARS outbreak in China. There aren't many countries out there that could host a World Cup with as little as a year's notice, we're definitely one of them. I seem to recall the USSF unofficially volunteering to host in 2010 if South Africa's building problems dragged out longer than they ended up.

Literally every other bid out there involves the construction of new buildings and/or major renovations to existing buildings. Now that the Meadowlands Stadium (which was being built anyway) is complete, all of our venues are built, huge, and ready to rock.

I could see that as well. It is possiable that one of the stronger Euro Bids would want the USA to stay in the mix, to help them knock off the weaker Euros. Out of the 4, who's the most ready to host right now??

 

[pirate]

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Can't we just invade FIFA? Where is it anyway? Asia? Is it near Fiji? Are they Christians or Muslims?

I say we launch Operation Upper 90 and go in there, free the people from this tyranny and bring FIFA into the democratic world (with goal judges).

 

[bigmrg74]

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Can't we just invade FIFA? Where is it anyway? Asia? Is it near Fiji? Are they Christians or Muslims?

I say we launch Operation Upper 90 and go in there, free the people from this tyranny and bring FIFA into the democratic world (with goal judges).

Must spread rep......

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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"Should be." Interesting choice of words. There's a lot of things that should be one way, but that's not reality.

The parallel is the US and the IOC. The US has made it quite clear that they 'should be' hosting more often, given the money they put into the system via TV ratings and whatnot. It sure hasn't worked out that way, and the refusal of several in the US camp to play the political games with the IOC has downright torpedoed several US bids, to the point where the USOC isn't even going to submit bids for the next round of Summer and Winter games.

So, you can play tough all you want and talk about how things 'should be.' It won't get you the right to host, anyway.

The thing is that the US has a very strong case for 2022 anyway. There are few nations in the Americas that can host. If you want to take a moral stand about the fairness of it all, that's great - just make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot in the process.

FIFA just needs to stop sucking...if they want to have the world cup in Europe in 2018, than say so from the beginning. Don't change the rules in the middle of the process.