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World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
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BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I don't know if anyone caught this, but the Kansas City Wizards finally got their stadium deal done, and the renders for the project look very nice.
http://www.kansascity.com/business/story/1695291.html
That leaves just San Jose, Houston, DC United, and New England without their own stadiums (I'm not counting Seattle who might as well just stay put and Vancouver who seems to keep changing their plans). The latter two look like they have promising projects in the works and the latter two, well the latter two have a lot of work left to do and in New England's case, may not care all that much.
I don't know if anyone caught this, but the Kansas City Wizards finally got their stadium deal done, and the renders for the project look very nice.
http://www.kansascity.com/business/story/1695291.html
That leaves just San Jose, Houston, DC United, and New England without their own stadiums (I'm not counting Seattle who might as well just stay put and Vancouver who seems to keep changing their plans). The latter two look like they have promising projects in the works and the latter two, well the latter two have a lot of work left to do and in New England's case, may not care all that much.
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KC's stadium looks nice. It's out in the boonies a bit, but KC is so spread out anyway it won't matter much - it certainly won't hurt as much as Chicago's stadium location does for a transit-oriented, dense city.
DC's situation was discussed here previously, but the outlook sure isn't too good. Every vibe I get from the Front Office tells me they're looking for someone to pay for their stadium, not just help enable it. That was a long shot at the peak of the boom, to say nothing about doing this in the depths of the recession.
KC's stadium looks nice. It's out in the boonies a bit, but KC is so spread out anyway it won't matter much - it certainly won't hurt as much as Chicago's stadium location does for a transit-oriented, dense city.
DC's situation was discussed here previously, but the outlook sure isn't too good. Every vibe I get from the Front Office tells me they're looking for someone to pay for their stadium, not just help enable it. That was a long shot at the peak of the boom, to say nothing about doing this in the depths of the recession.
BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
Baltimore appears to have commissioned a stadium feasibility study to discuss the possibility (I assume) of capturing the team. Of course thats in the very early stages, but you wonder if that plan progresses, whether it might get the attention of DC and/or a metro accessible burb. Another title wouldn't hurt either.
Baltimore appears to have commissioned a stadium feasibility study to discuss the possibility (I assume) of capturing the team. Of course thats in the very early stages, but you wonder if that plan progresses, whether it might get the attention of DC and/or a metro accessible burb. Another title wouldn't hurt either.
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I don't trust the Baltimore thing much. It was commissioned specifically by Mayor Dixon after the success of the international games there this summer, but da good Mare is now going to spend some time in the Pokey.
This study is being done by the Maryland Stadium Authority, the same folks that did an earlier study on putting a stadium in PG County - which, of course, fell through in spectacular fashion.
The thing is, I don't see how a Baltimore study will be any different than the PG one. It will say the same thing - you can finance X dollars with a ticket tax and bonding, and the rest will have to be met with either public contributions or team contributions. PG County balked at that, particularly because a lot of the stadium benefits were nebulous and couldn't be captured via a tax or a fee, and they would have had to increase their bonding to pay for it, including the opportunity costs of not bonding something else.
Basically, that math will remain the same. The public contribution, almost regardless of where it goes, will be X, and the team will likely have to make up the rest. I can't see Baltimore City making up the rest right now.
From an MLS perspective, I'd love to have teams in both Ballmer and DC at some point, but they are effectively one market at this time. Moving United to Baltimore would effective write off a good portion of the very lucrative DC soccer market for the long term. This isn't like moving a team away and then bringing another one in, Cleveland Browns style. If they end up in Baltimore, they're going to be missing out on the core of DC for a long time.
So, with that in mind, I hope MLS is patient. DC has had the strongest attendance, year in and year out, outside of LA. They were the first team to really embrace the supporter's culture, which has directly blazed a path for later successes in Toronto and Seattle. And, from a business side, it should be worth it for the league to take some losses in the DC market in order to establish a long term presence there. They did that in New York, and it's about to pay off with the opening of Red Bull Arena (and did someone say something about a little star power?).
I don't trust the Baltimore thing much. It was commissioned specifically by Mayor Dixon after the success of the international games there this summer, but da good Mare is now going to spend some time in the Pokey.
This study is being done by the Maryland Stadium Authority, the same folks that did an earlier study on putting a stadium in PG County - which, of course, fell through in spectacular fashion.
The thing is, I don't see how a Baltimore study will be any different than the PG one. It will say the same thing - you can finance X dollars with a ticket tax and bonding, and the rest will have to be met with either public contributions or team contributions. PG County balked at that, particularly because a lot of the stadium benefits were nebulous and couldn't be captured via a tax or a fee, and they would have had to increase their bonding to pay for it, including the opportunity costs of not bonding something else.
Basically, that math will remain the same. The public contribution, almost regardless of where it goes, will be X, and the team will likely have to make up the rest. I can't see Baltimore City making up the rest right now.
From an MLS perspective, I'd love to have teams in both Ballmer and DC at some point, but they are effectively one market at this time. Moving United to Baltimore would effective write off a good portion of the very lucrative DC soccer market for the long term. This isn't like moving a team away and then bringing another one in, Cleveland Browns style. If they end up in Baltimore, they're going to be missing out on the core of DC for a long time.
So, with that in mind, I hope MLS is patient. DC has had the strongest attendance, year in and year out, outside of LA. They were the first team to really embrace the supporter's culture, which has directly blazed a path for later successes in Toronto and Seattle. And, from a business side, it should be worth it for the league to take some losses in the DC market in order to establish a long term presence there. They did that in New York, and it's about to pay off with the opening of Red Bull Arena (and did someone say something about a little star power?).
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I was hoping Rochester would get a shot at MLS, but that won't happen. NYRB should change to the Cosmos to get some of that mojo back. I'd like to see a promotion and relegation system, but that will never happen. I have a list of where to expand. Here are some cities (in no particular order)
1. Rochester (I know I'm selfish)
2. Montreal
3. Miami
4. Atlanta
5. Las Vegas
6. Portland (Go Timbers)
7. Cleveland
8. St. Louis
9. Twin Cities
10. Pittsburgh
I was hoping Rochester would get a shot at MLS, but that won't happen. NYRB should change to the Cosmos to get some of that mojo back. I'd like to see a promotion and relegation system, but that will never happen. I have a list of where to expand. Here are some cities (in no particular order)
1. Rochester (I know I'm selfish)
2. Montreal
3. Miami
4. Atlanta
5. Las Vegas
6. Portland (Go Timbers)
7. Cleveland
8. St. Louis
9. Twin Cities
10. Pittsburgh
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Portland is already in, they'll start play in another year or so.
Montreal is widely speculated to be the next city to be approved. Saputo wildly overestimated how much leverage he had the first time they tried.
Portland is already in, they'll start play in another year or so.
Montreal is widely speculated to be the next city to be approved. Saputo wildly overestimated how much leverage he had the first time they tried.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I'd like to see Milwaukee on that list, but I'm sure I can file those dreams in the same spot as "Milwaukee getting an NHL team".
I'd like to see Milwaukee on that list, but I'm sure I can file those dreams in the same spot as "Milwaukee getting an NHL team".
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Short and sweet FA Cup 4th Round picks....
Tottenham v Leeds United .... Leeds wins, 1-0... shocker of the round
Aston Villa v Brighton ...... Villa wins, 2-0
Notts County v Wigan ..... Wigan wins, 4-1
Accrington Stanley v Fulham .... Fulham wins, 3-0
Everton v Birmingham ..... Everton win, 2-1
Portsmouth v Sunderland .... Pompey wins, 1-0
Bolton v Sheff Utd ....... Bolton wins, 2-1
Preston North End v Chelsea .... Chelsea wins, 3-1
Reading v Burnley.... Burnley wins, 2-0
Wolves v Crystal Palace.... Wolves win, 2-1
Cardiff City v Leicester City .... Cardiff wins, 3-2
Southampton v Ipswich ..... Soton wins, 1-0
West Brom v Newcastle ..... Newcastle wins, 1-0
Derby v Doncaster ..... Derby Counts wins, 1-0
Scun thorpe v Man City .... Man City wins, 4-0
Stoke v Arsenal ..... Arsenal wins, 2-1
Short and sweet FA Cup 4th Round picks....
Tottenham v Leeds United .... Leeds wins, 1-0... shocker of the round
Aston Villa v Brighton ...... Villa wins, 2-0
Notts County v Wigan ..... Wigan wins, 4-1
Accrington Stanley v Fulham .... Fulham wins, 3-0
Everton v Birmingham ..... Everton win, 2-1
Portsmouth v Sunderland .... Pompey wins, 1-0
Bolton v Sheff Utd ....... Bolton wins, 2-1
Preston North End v Chelsea .... Chelsea wins, 3-1
Reading v Burnley.... Burnley wins, 2-0
Wolves v Crystal Palace.... Wolves win, 2-1
Cardiff City v Leicester City .... Cardiff wins, 3-2
Southampton v Ipswich ..... Soton wins, 1-0
West Brom v Newcastle ..... Newcastle wins, 1-0
Derby v Doncaster ..... Derby Counts wins, 1-0
Scun thorpe v Man City .... Man City wins, 4-0
Stoke v Arsenal ..... Arsenal wins, 2-1
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picked my seats today for the Philadelphia Union...drove by the stadium recently (and lived to tell about it), going to be nice but the team starts playing at Lincoln Financial Field.
Which reminds me, why would they have a new team play its first game ever on the road? Wouldn't it be better to have the first game ever for the franchise at home (albeit not at the new stadium)?
picked my seats today for the Philadelphia Union...drove by the stadium recently (and lived to tell about it), going to be nice but the team starts playing at Lincoln Financial Field.
Which reminds me, why would they have a new team play its first game ever on the road? Wouldn't it be better to have the first game ever for the franchise at home (albeit not at the new stadium)?
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
Watching this Fulham-Accrington match and the color man sounds just like Jared Harris from Mad Men.
Watching this Fulham-Accrington match and the color man sounds just like Jared Harris from Mad Men.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I was impressed by the lower league opposition. Southampton looked good and I knew Reading would win. I was impressed by Notts County, but I don't that they will win the replay against Wigan.
I was impressed by the lower league opposition. Southampton looked good and I knew Reading would win. I was impressed by Notts County, but I don't that they will win the replay against Wigan.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!
I'm impressed with Leeds. Barring any disasters, I think they will be back in the Prem soon. I really hope Southampton and Portsmouth get drawn against each other. A South Coast Derby would be nice. I think Arsenal and Man City advance easily tomorrow.
I'm impressed with Leeds. Barring any disasters, I think they will be back in the Prem soon. I really hope Southampton and Portsmouth get drawn against each other. A South Coast Derby would be nice. I think Arsenal and Man City advance easily tomorrow.
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I don't know about easily...Stoke can be a real pain at the Britannia.
I don't know about easily...Stoke can be a real pain at the Britannia.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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USA losing 2-0 to Honduras.
USA losing 2-0 to Honduras.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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Wait wait wait, its a Mexican ref?
This makes a whole mess of sense now.
Wait wait wait, its a Mexican ref?
This makes a whole mess of sense now.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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Wait, no yellow? What a joke.
Wait, no yellow? What a joke.
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From your keyboard to God's hand.... I am an Arsenal fan and I don't think it will be easy... at all. 2-1 Arsenal, but it will be a good game throughout. Man City should throttle Scun thorpe... I agree with you there.
From your keyboard to God's hand.... I am an Arsenal fan and I don't think it will be easy... at all. 2-1 Arsenal, but it will be a good game throughout. Man City should throttle Scun thorpe... I agree with you there.
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