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World Soccer XI: To South Africa, and Beyond!

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Terrierbyassociation said:
At least Aston Villa didn't get ManU. Yet.
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This is still somewhat of a repeat. Villa lost 4-1 to Rovers in the third round in 2003.

But never hurts to draw a team below you on the table.

Notts County got quite a charmed draw, playing a mediocre non-league side at home.
 
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Oddly enough, our local TV station shows a pretty low-quality feed of EPL games starting at 3 a.m. on Mondays (I have to be up early for work). And I just figured out that it's from "Wanderers TV." Must be to serve all those Bolton fans out there in National Mine.
 
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So... Thoughts on Ireland possibly being the 33rd WC team? Apparently to be discussed tomorrow by FIFA.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Well not actually discussed, just dismissed apparently. FIFA is going down the tubes.
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What do you expect them to do? Best case scenario is if France is not "seeded" just have a spot for the winner and replay the **** match but that isn't going to happen either...
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
What do you expect them to do? Best case scenario is if France is not "seeded" just have a spot for the winner and replay the **** match but that isn't going to happen either...
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I expect them to do something other than what they are doing, which is trying to decide if Henry should be punished for their refs inability to properly call a game.

FIFA should want some appearance of being a fair governing body, yet every time there is some questionable incident they continue to let it slide. Making it more and more clear that the conspiracy theorists may actually be right about them.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I expect them to do something other than what they are doing, which is trying to decide if Henry should be punished for their refs inability to properly call a game.

FIFA should want some appearance of being a fair governing body, yet every time there is some questionable incident they continue to let it slide. Making it more and more clear that the conspiracy theorists may actually be right about them.
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I agree with the fact that this isn't Henry's fault...I hate the fact that the referee doesn't think he and his crew are at all responsible and FIFA tends to agree with him...the Ref missed a blatant handball and allowed the goal to stand...FIFA can't hold Henry responsible for the Official's inability to see what actually happen.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Well not actually discussed, just dismissed apparently. FIFA is going down the tubes.
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The chances of any other outcome were always infinitesimal, nor should they have been any higher than that.

What FIFA can and should do is look to accelerate the evaluation of the five official system, which very likely would have caught the offense.

JF_Gophers said:
I expect them to do something other than what they are doing, which is trying to decide if Henry should be punished for their refs inability to properly call a game.
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That's excessively hyperbolic. There was one official who had responsibility for seeing and making that call, the assistant referee. It was a serious error to miss it, but understandable considering the point in the game, the number of other things he has to be thinking about (offsides and the second-last defender), and the natural reluctance of the assistant to make a big foul call, particularly when it's in the referee's quadrant of the field (even though, in this case, the referee was necessarily screened).

FIFA should want some appearance of being a fair governing body, yet every time there is some questionable incident they continue to let it slide. Making it more and more clear that the conspiracy theorists may actually be right about them.
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FIFA's treatment of this game is 100% consistent with their usual handling of in-match judgment calls: the opinion of the officials is sacrosanct in terms of the result of the match, even when that opinion appears to be clearly in error. I think they see a slippery slope issue with opening any door to appeals on any other grounds than misapplication of the Laws, and I don't have a problem with that.

Shirtless Guy said:
I agree with the fact that this isn't Henry's fault...I hate the fact that the referee doesn't think he and his crew are at all responsible and FIFA tends to agree with him...the Ref missed a blatant handball and allowed the goal to stand...FIFA can't hold Henry responsible for the Official's inability to see what actually happen.
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How the **** is it not Henry's fault?!? He's the one who committed the offense!

The referee is certainly not responsible, as he was reasonably positioned and was screened on the play (surely you don't expect him to have x-ray vision). The assistant missed it, and presumably has been appropriately dinged in his postmatch evaluation.
 
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Craig P. said:
That's excessively hyperbolic. There was one official who had responsibility for seeing and making that call, the assistant referee. It was a serious error to miss it, but understandable considering the point in the game, the number of other things he has to be thinking about (offsides and the second-last defender), and the natural reluctance of the assistant to make a big foul call, particularly when it's in the referee's quadrant of the field (even though, in this case, the referee was necessarily screened).
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Of course, it should be noted that he also missed the offsides.

What you're saying here appears to be self-contradictory, though, regarding whether the AR had the responsibility to make the call, or whether it was in the referee's quadrant.
 
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Craig P. said:
How the **** is it not Henry's fault?!? He's the one who committed the offense!

The referee is certainly not responsible, as he was reasonably positioned and was screened on the play (surely you don't expect him to have x-ray vision). The assistant missed it, and presumably has been appropriately dinged in his postmatch evaluation.
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Do you expect Henry to walk up to the official and say the goal shouldn't count, I groped it with my let hand but you couldn't see it because you were shielded? As far as I can tell from the replay, his hitting the ball with his lefthand seems instinctive. What happen to Maradona after the hand of god goal?
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Do you expect Henry to walk up to the official and say the goal shouldn't count, I groped it with my let hand but you couldn't see it because you were shielded? As far as I can tell from the replay, his hitting the ball with his lefthand seems instinctive. What happen to Maradona after the hand of god goal?
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He became despised by just about everyone except Argentinians, despite the fact that he was obviously a tremendously talented player?

(Of course, Maradona said the "Hand of God" BS and Henry said it hit his hand.)
 
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You can't punish the player. Henry has admitted it hit his hand, he has even quasi-apologized. FIFA is the shadiest organization out there.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I agree with the fact that this isn't Henry's fault...I hate the fact that the referee doesn't think he and his crew are at all responsible and FIFA tends to agree with him...the Ref missed a blatant handball and allowed the goal to stand...FIFA can't hold Henry responsible for the Official's inability to see what actually happen.
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if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!

the reason an official is there is so that you don't have to call fouls on yourself.:p

fifa shouldn't hold him for anything...all they can do is go flip themselves.
 
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I've been lax at this over the last week (life getting in the way again), so here's a few more draws to discuss:

Experiment A
A: South Africa, Netherlands, Paraguay, Mexico
B: Brazil, Portugal, Ghana, Australia
C: Argentina, Serbia, Nigeria, Japan
D: Italy, Greece, Uruguay, South Korea
E: Spain, Slovenia, Cote d'Ivoire, North Korea
F: France, Denmark, Algeria, New Zealand
G: England, Slovakia, Cameroon, Honduras
H: Germany, Switzerland, Chile, USA

Experiment B
A: South Africa, Denmark, Paraguay, Japan
B: England, Serbia, Cote d'Ivoire, New Zealand
C: Brazil, Switzerland, Cameroon, North Korea
D: Italy, Slovakia, Ghana, South Korea
E: Germany, Greece, Algeria, Honduras
F: Argentina, Netherlands, Nigeria, Mexico
G: Spain, Portugal, Uruguay, Australia
H: France, Slovenia, Chile, USA

Experiment C
A: South Africa, Slovenia, Uruguay, Honduras
B: France, Switzerland, Chile, North Korea
C: Brazil, Greece, Cameroon, Japan
D: Italy, Denmark, Paraguay, USA
E: Argentina, Netherlands, Ghana, Australia
F: England, Portugal, Nigeria, New Zealand
G: Spain, Slovakia, Cote d'Ivoire, South Korea
H: Germany, Serbia, Algeria, Mexico

Taking it out of the random-ness:

Best Case Scenario for USMNT: South Africa, Slovenia, Algeria
Worst Case Scenario: Brazil, Netherlands, Cote d'Ivoire

Then, there's millions of chances in between.
 
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3W said:
I've been lax at this over the last week (life getting in the way again), so here's a few more draws to discuss:
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Those 3 draws would be pretty favorable for the Americans considering the other possibilities.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Do you expect Henry to walk up to the official and say the goal shouldn't count, I groped it with my let hand but you couldn't see it because you were shielded?
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No, not really, and I don't think that is (or should be) why he's being fined.

As far as I can tell from the replay, his hitting the ball with his lefthand seems instinctive.
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Well, I think that's the kernel of the issue. I'm unconvinced that it was really instinctive. If it was, he shouldn't be fined for it.

What happen to Maradona after the hand of god goal?
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Nothing, to my knowledge, but I don't think following a bad precedent is a good idea.

jmh said:
Of course, it should be noted that he also missed the offsides.
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I don't think it was offsides the way FIFA wants offsides called. I think it should be, but I don't think FIFA has a problem with the way it was called.

What you're saying here appears to be self-contradictory, though, regarding whether the AR had the responsibility to make the call, or whether it was in the referee's quadrant.
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It was in the referee's quadrant, but the AR needs to be aware that the referee is screened and can't make the call himself. Particularly considering the ball ended up in the net, there was ample opportunity for a conference to reconcile what they saw, and the AR blew it by either not seeing the handling or assuming that the ref also saw it.

AMC said:
You can't punish the player. Henry has admitted it hit his hand, he has even quasi-apologized. FIFA is the shadiest organization out there.
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Of course you can punish the player. If you're convinced that he was acting consciously rather than instinctively, you should punish the player.
 
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