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World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
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Russell Jaslow
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Well, that would the only one.
Again, read the earlier posts before we get into another discussion repeating everything.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Step 1 of 3 down for the brutal road to gold.
Team looked pretty good. Going to be another war on Thursday. Bellows stepped up big when they needed him. Need that from your veteran leadership.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Well, that would the only one.
Again, read the earlier posts before we get into another discussion repeating everything.
All 3 or 4 of them on page 7? Yeah I read them. And using an event from 35 years ago is probably not a good gauge of whether it would be successful today or not.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
It has to be near Canada. That’s the bottom line. It bombed in Boston. It bombed in Alaska.
This year isn’t working because Toronto had it two of the past three years. Remember, the last time it was in Buffalo, it was a huge success.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
And prices. $50-$60 for 18 and 19 year olds that no one knows is too much. Cut it in half and you’ve got a better deal. How much do most D1’s cost? $20-25 I would guess?
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Here’s another interesting point. When Buffalo had it in 2011, the Golden Horseshoe had not had the tournament since 1986 (Hamilton, London, Toronto). So, those fans were HUNGRY for that tournament.
No wonder the tournament was so well attended then. And no wonder it’s not now when it’s been in the area three out of four years.
northeastern
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tourney did okay in Boston because it was marketed (or lack thereof), terribly.
if marketed well, this tourney would draw well in Boston.. just my .02.
With advance marketing, the holidays, the youth / college / family hockey scene... games would draw better than Buffalo for sure; & most definitely the marquee match ups would draw well.
Maybe get some sponsors upfront & lower the ticket prices a bit... this could work well in Boston. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part.. but that's my thinking...
if marketed well, this tourney would draw well in Boston.. just my .02.
With advance marketing, the holidays, the youth / college / family hockey scene... games would draw better than Buffalo for sure; & most definitely the marquee match ups would draw well.
Maybe get some sponsors upfront & lower the ticket prices a bit... this could work well in Boston. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part.. but that's my thinking...
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
tourney did okay in Boston because it was marketed (or lack thereof), terribly.
if marketed well, this tourney would draw well in Boston.. just my .02.
With advance marketing, the holidays, the youth / college / family hockey scene... games would draw better than Buffalo for sure; & most definitely the marquee match ups would draw well.
Maybe get some sponsors upfront & lower the ticket prices a bit... this could work well in Boston. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part.. but that's my thinking...
Wishful thinking...
Non diehards just don’t know about this tourney.
And again, remember, it did very well in Buffalo in 2011. For some reason, people keep ignoring that fact.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Let's have it in Buffalo forever then! All the other cities be ****ed. Only Buffalo can successfully host and apparently only 50% of the time.Wishful thinking...
Non diehards just don’t know about this tourney.
And again, remember, it did very well in Buffalo in 2011. For some reason, people keep ignoring that fact.
But you can get the Russian crowd in Alaska!!!
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
Oh, come on. Now you are just being a dick.
All I'm saying is Buffalo was not a bad choice. Circumstances this year made it a poor choice for this year. Starve the Golden Horseshoe of this tournament for a number of years, and Buffalo would be a good choice again.
But, it still needs to be near Canada. Detroit is a great option. Seattle might be. North Dakota again would be a great option. I just don't see it working in Pittsburgh (which did bid for it this year) or Tampa (which also bid for it this year). I also don't see it being a success in Boston or the Minneapolis area. Americans alone are just not going to pay the prices they are asking for when they can watch their own NHL team for similar costs. Maybe for the final two days, but that's it.
Oh, come on. Now you are just being a dick.
All I'm saying is Buffalo was not a bad choice. Circumstances this year made it a poor choice for this year. Starve the Golden Horseshoe of this tournament for a number of years, and Buffalo would be a good choice again.
But, it still needs to be near Canada. Detroit is a great option. Seattle might be. North Dakota again would be a great option. I just don't see it working in Pittsburgh (which did bid for it this year) or Tampa (which also bid for it this year). I also don't see it being a success in Boston or the Minneapolis area. Americans alone are just not going to pay the prices they are asking for when they can watch their own NHL team for similar costs. Maybe for the final two days, but that's it.
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Russell Jaslow
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Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
They just need binoculars to be able to see Alaska and the games...
They just need binoculars to be able to see Alaska and the games...
Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
The only reason I feel Boston might work is there are several smaller arenas in close proximity where games could be held so you wouldn't have these cavernous arenas with no people in them. I don't see why Canadians wouldn't make the trek here. It's not that far.
The only reason I feel Boston might work is there are several smaller arenas in close proximity where games could be held so you wouldn't have these cavernous arenas with no people in them. I don't see why Canadians wouldn't make the trek here. It's not that far.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
And I am not familiar with the prices, but if that is a problem, then they should quit gouging people. People here in Minnesota paid through the nose for the Ryder Cup, so I think that we could fill a 19,000 seat hockey arena, at least for the games the USA is in, especially given the amount of Minnesotans on the team and how provincial we are.
I am "being a dick" because you are very defensive of Buffalo and have a truckload of excuses for why the attendance isn't there this year, while at the same time criticizing Minneapolis for poor attendance in friggin 1982, and saying it wouldn't work in Boston either. Put it wherever it works. But that doesn't seem to be Buffalo this year, so I would say try some new spots.
And I am not familiar with the prices, but if that is a problem, then they should quit gouging people. People here in Minnesota paid through the nose for the Ryder Cup, so I think that we could fill a 19,000 seat hockey arena, at least for the games the USA is in, especially given the amount of Minnesotans on the team and how provincial we are.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
Fair enough.
BTW, I don't consider them excuses. But reasons. This tournament is a very hard sell in America (or anywhere outside Canada). History has proven that. And history has shown the only time it's been successful is when it's held near a Canadian population, and that's not even working this year.
Apples and oranges. The Ryder Cup is a massive international event known by many. In fact, It was once held in Rochester, NY and also was very successful.
The WJC is not a massive international event known by many. It's a niche event in a niche sport which only one country cares a heck of a lot about. I doubt even USA games could fill an arena anywhere in the USA unless perhaps (and that's a big perhaps) it's the gold medal game.
You keep looking at the WJC from a hockey diehard's mindset. You can't do that. Go around the office and ask casual hockey fans if they even know about the WJC. Then ask them would they spend $50-60 on a ticket to see one of their games or would they rather spend that much to see their local NHL game.
This is not a big event to most people. Heck, the Frozen Four is even having a hard time selling tickets in St. Paul this year.
Fair enough.
BTW, I don't consider them excuses. But reasons. This tournament is a very hard sell in America (or anywhere outside Canada). History has proven that. And history has shown the only time it's been successful is when it's held near a Canadian population, and that's not even working this year.
Apples and oranges. The Ryder Cup is a massive international event known by many. In fact, It was once held in Rochester, NY and also was very successful.
The WJC is not a massive international event known by many. It's a niche event in a niche sport which only one country cares a heck of a lot about. I doubt even USA games could fill an arena anywhere in the USA unless perhaps (and that's a big perhaps) it's the gold medal game.
You keep looking at the WJC from a hockey diehard's mindset. You can't do that. Go around the office and ask casual hockey fans if they even know about the WJC. Then ask them would they spend $50-60 on a ticket to see one of their games or would they rather spend that much to see their local NHL game.
This is not a big event to most people. Heck, the Frozen Four is even having a hard time selling tickets in St. Paul this year.
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Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
That was the exact strategy Boston tried when they did host the WJC. Nobody went to the games...
Can Canadians commute on a daily basis? I think that's too far. Last time it was in Buffalo, Canadians were commuting on a daily basis, which is why attendance was so much better in 2011. They didn't just come down for the final two days (which I expect them to do tomorrow and Friday).
That was the exact strategy Boston tried when they did host the WJC. Nobody went to the games...
Can Canadians commute on a daily basis? I think that's too far. Last time it was in Buffalo, Canadians were commuting on a daily basis, which is why attendance was so much better in 2011. They didn't just come down for the final two days (which I expect them to do tomorrow and Friday).
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: World Juniors - Buffalo 2018
Here are the ticket prices for the medal round games: http://www.buffaloworldjuniors.com/press-releases/medal-round-games
They also still list some other game prices.
I post this so those not knowing what prices are being asked for can now look.
BTW, nobody is sitting in the 300 level so far. If you bought the 300 level, they are immediately upgrading you to the lower level as you walk in, so it looks a little more "full." If I paid prices for the lower level, I'd be ticked.
Here are the ticket prices for the medal round games: http://www.buffaloworldjuniors.com/press-releases/medal-round-games
They also still list some other game prices.
I post this so those not knowing what prices are being asked for can now look.
BTW, nobody is sitting in the 300 level so far. If you bought the 300 level, they are immediately upgrading you to the lower level as you walk in, so it looks a little more "full." If I paid prices for the lower level, I'd be ticked.