I thought up until the last game she was unbelievable. Then against Canada in the Gold Medal game, not so much. The Canadians did a great job in taking away the open ice where Taylor will usually exploit whatever a less skilled opponent gives her. Not to mention the pace of the games against Canada being so much quicker there is simply not nearly as much time and space to free wheel and create offense, as against a less skilled opponent she will do so effectively.
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World Championships: U18 and Women’s
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
The rise of KK Harvey is just crazy. In the Olympics she barely played. At the just concluded tourney she played the most minutes of any player but Keller. Obviously a different coaching staff. She's the #3 rated player 23 and under on the planet according to The Hockey News and she hasn't even played a college game yet.
Anyone hear anything about where in Canada the 2023 womens worlds will be? Or when they plan to announce it?
Things seem pretty chaotic (not sure the right word) surrounding Hockey Canada right now so I am once again wondering about the status of this tourney. Might need to put Wisconsin on stand by.
Things seem pretty chaotic (not sure the right word) surrounding Hockey Canada right now so I am once again wondering about the status of this tourney. Might need to put Wisconsin on stand by.
https://teamusa.usahockey.com/202223rivalryseriesroster
Tessa Janecke will be on the December rivalry series roster. Senior team debut for her. Looks like a fun roster. Naturally her name is misspelled missing an a from Tessa because why not.
Nicole if you see this….or anyone in the know… do we know where or when Womens Worlds are in 2023 yet?
Tessa Janecke will be on the December rivalry series roster. Senior team debut for her. Looks like a fun roster. Naturally her name is misspelled missing an a from Tessa because why not.
Nicole if you see this….or anyone in the know… do we know where or when Womens Worlds are in 2023 yet?
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Quotes from Tessa Janecke on being named to the U.S. Women's National Team:
"I am extremely grateful and humbled for this opportunity" stated Janecke. "It's something I've been dreaming of my entire life. It truly wouldn't be possible without the time and support of my coaches, past and present, teammates, and my family."
"I cannot wait to soak up this experience and learn all I can from this group of players, who I looked up to and continue to admire to this day" Janecke added. "I could not be more thankful."
https://gopsusports.com/news/2022/1...tates-roster-for-december-rivalry-series.aspx
RightbackatU
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No, USA is based on coaches and who was in their program at age 16, doesn't matter what you do in college its an exclusive club in the usa!
but look at the other side, the majority of Canadian players come from the ECAC, hence won every gold medal but 2!
USA Hockey is a gongshow of mismanagement, perpetual employment guarantees for existing national team members, insular and self-congratulatory. Their only audience is kids and families they've selected, who all think they're doing a bang-up job (obviously). They ignore bad things about kids they've anointed, ignore good things about kids they've previously passed over, and at least with current rosters are doomed to second class status in a race of two (in spite of the complete waste-of-time victories in these off-cycle exhibition games). Other than that I think they're great!
I don't know enough about the management of USA Hockey to confirm or rebut this. But I will say: When entire seasons boil down to 1 or 2 games against Canada, doing a fair evaluation is pretty tough.
It wasn't that long ago, after Team USA won a couple of gold medals, that Team Canada fans were in a deep funk. Supposedly the entire Team Canada effort was in complete disarray. Now that the skate is on the other foot, the angst has switched to the American side. Suddenly Team Canada is heralded as a well designed, smoothly functioning machine.
Like a lot of rivalries: When you win, deficiencies are glossed over. When you lose, deficiencies are exaggerated. My suspicion is that the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. On both sides of the border.
I think cornholio said it best a year or so ago when they said that both Canada and the US have pools of about 100 players each where they could take almost any of the 100 and still compete for gold or silver.
So roster construction is always going to leave deserving individuals out even if the process were completely free of bias. It will be interesting to see if they get a scouting role into their new contract. I think the players know the current system is flawed.
The next logical way to support these players is proactively being part of a pro league solution. The federations failed to do that for decades - preferring to keep the marquee version of the women’s game to themselves. Now the pro league situation is so toxic and complex I don’t know how long it will take to recover if it ever does. For me that’s where the greater criticism of the federations lies right now. Not to mention Canada is supposed to host worlds in 4 months and I don’t think we know where in Canada it’s happening.
Nonetheless agree with the first point that there are some fantastic players in the ECAC.
So roster construction is always going to leave deserving individuals out even if the process were completely free of bias. It will be interesting to see if they get a scouting role into their new contract. I think the players know the current system is flawed.
The next logical way to support these players is proactively being part of a pro league solution. The federations failed to do that for decades - preferring to keep the marquee version of the women’s game to themselves. Now the pro league situation is so toxic and complex I don’t know how long it will take to recover if it ever does. For me that’s where the greater criticism of the federations lies right now. Not to mention Canada is supposed to host worlds in 4 months and I don’t think we know where in Canada it’s happening.
Nonetheless agree with the first point that there are some fantastic players in the ECAC.
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No and I have no idea why! I talked to Wrobo just before the final Rivalry Series game and sort of off-handed said something about maybe they know the dates, but it's not public info and he laughed and said "We don't know either"
I can't find my tweet about it and I can't remember if it was studio or in game, but someone definitely said "upcoming World Championships in April." I don't know if that was habit, since before the past two years, that's when the tournament has been held. But yeah, we have no info as far as I know.
One thing I'll add to the ECAC conversation is that traditionally, those programs have recruited heavily from Canada. The ECAC has big representation on Canadian rosters, both with players and coaches (and there's an obvious correlation there). The newest USA U18 roster has some girls committed to Cornell and with Rory Guilday, I think we may be seeing at list a little bit of change there.
Posting this separately to make sure it gets seen.
I'll be in Ostersund for the entire U18 World Championship in early January. I'm working on some short audio pieces with coach interviews combined with audio I gather on site, but wondered if there's anything you all would like to see/hear/read?
I'll be in Ostersund for the entire U18 World Championship in early January. I'm working on some short audio pieces with coach interviews combined with audio I gather on site, but wondered if there's anything you all would like to see/hear/read?
Blackbeard
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As usual...logical, objective, cool headed and sensible commentary that we've come to expect and appreciate from you.
1-0 USA after 1 in Vegas. Fitting that Kessel would open the scoring in her brothers teams town. Assist by Coyne.
Minnesota had another loss falsely reported…. It was said in error that Penn State beat them a few weeks back. Blueblood Minnesota can handle it but I wonder if it gets exhausting for them.
Interesting watching Knight. They have her jumping ahead of the play trying to hit her with lead passes for breakaways. Notable difference, not sure if it’s cause it’s exhibition or if this is a Wrobo thing, but it’s definitely fun to watch. Hockey East like, back in the Watts Lonergan days.
Minnesota had another loss falsely reported…. It was said in error that Penn State beat them a few weeks back. Blueblood Minnesota can handle it but I wonder if it gets exhausting for them.
Interesting watching Knight. They have her jumping ahead of the play trying to hit her with lead passes for breakaways. Notable difference, not sure if it’s cause it’s exhibition or if this is a Wrobo thing, but it’s definitely fun to watch. Hockey East like, back in the Watts Lonergan days.
Canada wins 3-2.
Breakaway solo effort goal by Rattray. Turnbull back door goal from Bourbonnais and Thompson.
Knight tied it 2-2 on a puck bouncing past to Canadian d at their blue line giving Knight a mini breakaway.
Nurse scored the game winner from the goal line in the corner just throwing it on net. Rooney in net for the US, Campbell for Canada.
I wonder if Frankel will get a start; next game is Dec 19. Hard not to feel bad for the goalies especially. Very glad for the rivalry series but these players really all need more games, and it’s noticeable on the goalies. Impossible for them to settle in.
I really liked the line of Roque, Kessel, Coyne. Lots of chances and a goal out of that line.
Janecke got maybe 4 shifts (prob more, that’s just what I noticed) including an offensive zone face off against Poulin. Couple d zone starts where her line got the puck out both times as well.
Breakaway solo effort goal by Rattray. Turnbull back door goal from Bourbonnais and Thompson.
Knight tied it 2-2 on a puck bouncing past to Canadian d at their blue line giving Knight a mini breakaway.
Nurse scored the game winner from the goal line in the corner just throwing it on net. Rooney in net for the US, Campbell for Canada.
I wonder if Frankel will get a start; next game is Dec 19. Hard not to feel bad for the goalies especially. Very glad for the rivalry series but these players really all need more games, and it’s noticeable on the goalies. Impossible for them to settle in.
I really liked the line of Roque, Kessel, Coyne. Lots of chances and a goal out of that line.
Janecke got maybe 4 shifts (prob more, that’s just what I noticed) including an offensive zone face off against Poulin. Couple d zone starts where her line got the puck out both times as well.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Thanks for that note on Tessa Janecke's ice time, I wondered about that (I don't have NHL Network). I saw on Twitter that she was set to be on the fourth line with Hayley Scamurra and Abbey Murphy, and I figured she'd be lucky to see much of any time. Even if she keeps the bench warm for most of the second game on Monday, and she probably will, what an opportunity for her just to be on that bench with some of the best. I hope she's soaking up everything she can from them, on the ice, on the bench, and in the locker room.
It was fantastic hockey to watch last night, but I can't help feeling disappointed while watching - international hockey is a two team sport, which means this is a silly event, shrinking the pool of players getting attention, when the effort should be on expanding it. The existing national team members are doing a disservice to their sport by focusing their efforts on protecting their jobs. We have a league that has advanced things to the point where players are going to be earning full-time wages next year, all done without the best players in the sport. I think the PWHPA was well intentioned initially, but stop being petty - make a deal.