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Women's DI Rankings/Polls 2013-14

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USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll

February 25, 2014

Team Points (First Place Votes) Last Poll Record
1 University of Minnesota 190 (19) 1 32-1-1
2 University of Wisconsin 168 2 25-5-2
3 Clarkson University 153 4 25-4-5
4 Boston College 124 6 25-5-3
5 Harvard University 114 5 21-4-4
6 Cornell University 101 3 20-5-4
7 Quinnipiac University 64 10 20-5-9
8 Mercyhurst University 57 8 22-7-4
9 Robert Morris University 34 9 24-7-3
10 University of North Dakota 31 7 17-11-4

Others receiving votes: Boston University 4, Northeastern University 4, Ohio State University 1.

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-womens/
 
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USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll

March 4, 2014

Team Points (First Place Votes) Last Poll Record
1 University of Minnesota 190 (19) 1 34-1-1
2 Clarkson University 161 3 27-4-5
3 University of Wisconsin 158 2 27-6-2
4 Boston College 128 4 26-5-3
5 Cornell University 115 6 22-5-4
6 Harvard University 92 5 23-5-4
7 Quinnipiac University 61 7 22-5-9
8 Mercyhurst University 60 8 22-7-4
9 Robert Morris University 38 9 24-7-3
10 University of North Dakota 36 10 19-11-4

Others receiving votes: Northeastern University 4, Boston University 1, University of Minnesota Duluth 1
 
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Final polls heading into Saturday's NCAA Quarterfinals:

USCHO (3/10/14)
1 Minnesota
2 Cornell
3 Wisconsin
4 Clarkson
5 Boston College
6 Harvard
7 Mercyhurst
8 North Dakota
9 Boston University
10 Quinnipiac

Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 8, Minnesota-Duluth 1, RIT 1


USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine 3/11/14
1 Minnesota
2 Cornell
3 Clarkson
4 Wisconsin
5 Boston College
6 Harvard
7 North Dakota
8 Mercyhurst
9 Boston University
10 Quinnipiac

Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 7, Minnesota Duluth 1, RIT 1
 
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With the league playoffs and NCAA quarterfinals now behind us, there is a lot of movement in this latest USA Today poll:

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine 3/18/14

1 Minnesota
2 Clarkson
3 Wisconsin
4 Mercyhurst
5 Cornell
6 Boston College
7 Harvard
8 Boston University
9 Quinnipiac
10 North Dakota

Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 3, RIT 1
 
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D2D said:
With the league playoffs and NCAA quarterfinals now behind us, there is a lot of movement in this latest USA Today poll:

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine 3/18/14

1 Minnesota
2 Clarkson
3 Wisconsin
4 Mercyhurst
5 Cornell
6 Boston College
7 Harvard
8 Boston University
9 Quinnipiac
10 North Dakota

Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 3, RIT 1
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I get that people want to have the FF teams in the top 4, but if Minnesota lost these voters really would have Minnesota 5th?

Because Mercyhurst 4th is nuts.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Because Mercyhurst 4th is nuts.
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Wondering where you (and others) would rank Mercyhurst in the season's final poll IF (and I know, it's a big IF, but just pretend for a moment here):

a) Wisconsin beats Minnesota in the first semi (perish the thought, but again, we're just pretending here), and
b) Mercyhurst beats Clarkson in the second semi (possible), and
c) Mercyhurst beats Wisconsin in the final

If a, b and c all came to pass, would Mercyhurst then deserve to be No. 1 in the final ranking :confused:
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
I get that people want to have the FF teams in the top 4, but if Minnesota lost these voters really would have Minnesota 5th?

Because Mercyhurst 4th is nuts.
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If the polls were perfect before, why are they playing the games this weekend......give MN the trophy now.:D
 
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D2D said:
Wondering where you (and others) would rank Mercyhurst in the season's final poll IF (and I know, it's a big IF, but just pretend for a moment here):

a) Wisconsin beats Minnesota in the first semi (perish the thought, but again, we're just pretending here), and
b) Mercyhurst beats Clarkson in the second semi (possible), and
c) Mercyhurst beats Wisconsin in the final

If a, b and c all came to pass, would Mercyhurst then deserve to be No. 1 in the final ranking :confused:
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Not in my books anyway. While winning games at this point in the season is certainly far more important than those early in the season, it's still just one game. The better team doesn't always win every game they should, even when they played overall well enough to win. Just one lucky/bad break, bounce of the puck, tiny mistake that's capitalized on, unfathomable ref penalty call, goals resulting from a missed call of offside or TMM, etc. can potentially make the difference between a win and a loss. Does any of that actually make one team better than another? Of course not.

I'd prefer to think of rankings as a relative measure of the strength of an entire team's play, over the course of an entire season, relative to every other one. How does their "body of work" compare? Under that definition, if Team #1 were to play #2 (and so on through the rankings) a 10 game series now, the higher ranked team would win at least 6 of the games.

While I applaud RIT for beating Mercyhurst in the CHA final against all odds, thanks directly to a goalie standing on her head at the best possible time, the fact that RIT even gets mentions in these rankings based on a single athletic performance is completely ludicrous. They were 22 in KRACH (19 if you delete the non D1 teams)....a middle of the pack team despite a fairly easy schedule.
 
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D2D said:
Wondering where you (and others) would rank Mercyhurst in the season's final poll IF (and I know, it's a big IF, but just pretend for a moment here):

a) Wisconsin beats Minnesota in the first semi (perish the thought, but again, we're just pretending here), and
b) Mercyhurst beats Clarkson in the second semi (possible), and
c) Mercyhurst beats Wisconsin in the final

If a, b and c all came to pass, would Mercyhurst then deserve to be No. 1 in the final ranking :confused:
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I don't know (or care) how the polls would rank them
but if Mercyhurst (or whoever wins) choses to call itself #1 after winning the tournament,
I doubt any of the other teams are going to argue (unless they want to look like sore losers)
 
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pokechecker said:
I don't know (or care) how the polls would rank them
but if Mercyhurst (or whoever wins) choses to call itself #1 after winning the tournament,
I doubt any of the other teams are going to argue (unless they want to look like sore losers)
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Very true. At this point in the season the polls mean even less than normal as the real champion will be declared on Sunday. Whichever team wins it I'm pretty sure they will appear at the top of the final USA Today ranking, even though one could argue that that team may not be the No. 1 team based on the "whole body of work" throughout the season (as Trillium believes).
 
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mnpokecheck said:
One voter hangs tight for Minnesota - hard to quit cold turkey.
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When was the last time that a team NOT from the WCHA was leading the polls ?
(Off the top of my head I'm thinking it was Cornell 3 years ago or so).
 
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mnpokecheck said:
One voter hangs tight for Minnesota - hard to quit cold turkey.
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I'm on this voter's side. Automatically switching your first place vote to whoever wins the championship is lazy. The outcome of the tournament and polls provide two different kinds of information. Simply making the one match the other involves conflating them. Polls are supposed to be about adding a subjective opinion to the mix of objective ranking systems like RPI and KRACH and the objective results of won/loss records including the national championship. Just declaring that the winner of the latter is, by definition, the #1 team in the polls misses the point of what a poll is. We already know that Clarkson won the tournament; we don't need a poll to tell us that.

That said, I can see an argument for making Clarkson the #1 team in a subjective poll. I disagree, but they are a hell of a good team and making them number one isn't obviously absurd in the way that ever putting Boston College at #1 in anything is. I just think that the process that a lot of voters use to get there is deficient.
 
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