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Wisconsin Women's Hockey 2024-2025

When they beat the Badgers in Madison the 1st of November, it was primarily on really strong serving; low, flat, lots of 'pace' with no spin, so the ball was moving like a knuckleball. Today it was largely on the strength of their floor defense; balls hit by Wisconsin that would be points against other teams were being dug by the Husker backcourt, make Wisconsin have to try a second and third time, and those too often turned into errors. Point Nebraska instead of point Wisconsin. As much as I hate to admit it, they're just the better team this year.

The fans there are like fans everywhere: some of them are level-headed intelligent folks, and some are as you describe. They do have a lot of the latter, though. :-)

Why doesn't Carter Booth play more than she does? She sure seems to make things happen.
 
Why doesn't Carter Booth play more than she does? She sure seems to make things happen.

Standard substitution rules. She plays middle blocker. To play more, she would have to play a different position, AND then play across the back row, diving for balls and handling serve-receive, the way Franklin and Orzol do (did). Booth is not at all suited for that. Like most "big" players and all middle blockers, she plays the three rotations across the front row, then subs out until the other middle (an unusual combination of CC Crawford and Devyn Robinson) rotates to the back and it's her turn again to play in front.

Something like saying "Why don't the Yankees have Aaron Judge bat more often?" Well, sure, but....
 
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Standard substitution rules. She plays middle blocker. To play more, she would have to play a different position, AND then play across the back row, diving for balls and handling serve-receive, the way Franklin and Orzol do (did). Booth is not at all suited for that. Like most "big" players and all middle blockers, she plays the three rotations across the front row, then subs out until the other middle (an unusual combination of CC Crawford and Devyn Robinson) rotates to the back and it's her turn again to play in front.

Something like saying "Why don't the Yankees have Aaron Judge bat more often?" Well, sure, but....

Makes sense. I have no clue how VB works. Once you sub out, how long before you can go back in?
 
You can go back in on the next play but a team is limited to 15 substitutions per set. In International volleyball, teams are limited to six substitutions per set so middle blockers like Carter Booth regularly play the back row and serve.
 
You can go back in on the next play but a team is limited to 15 substitutions per set. In International volleyball, teams are limited to six substitutions per set so middle blockers like Carter Booth regularly play the back row and serve.

That's not completely accurate. Yes, in international play the limit is six subs. But middle blockers can be and almost always are subbed out by the libero, and subs involving the libero don't count against the sub count limit. So even in international play, middles play across the front, and then mostly do NOT play across the back.

(The one difference there to confuse Tim even more, in international play the middle rotating to the back row must stay in and serve. When their turn serving ends, then they come out and the libero comes in. So they play a "half rotation" in back. Under NCAA rules, one of the two middles must serve, but the other does not have to before they are replaced by the libero. And with the greater sub count, it isn't unusual for a team to 'burn' two subs on the count to bring in a 'serving sub' to serve for the 'serving' middle blocker.)

Between the greater number of subs allowed in the NCAA and the libero-middle subs not counting against that limit, the variations of how coaches choose to use those 15 substitutions varies greatly from team to team. When Wisconsin played Nebraska in the 2021 national championship match, it was Wisconsin who used more subs in the normal rotation, and ran out in at least one of the sets; Nebraska was using fewer and didn't run out. Yesterday, it was the reverse; Nebraska regularly uses more in 2024 and were right up to the limit when the second set ended.

(What happens if/when you run out? The six players on the floor must play the rest of the set, with the normal middle blocker/libero substitutions contunuing, because again, they don't count against the limit. But coaches are keenly aware of where they are with their count, and have "plan B" already in mind for what they do when they get close to and hit the limit.)
 
That's not completely accurate. Yes, in international play the limit is six subs. But middle blockers can be and almost always are subbed out by the libero, and subs involving the libero don't count against the sub count limit. So even in international play, middles play across the front, and then mostly do NOT play across the back.

(The one difference there to confuse Tim even more, in international play the middle rotating to the back row must stay in and serve. When their turn serving ends, then they come out and the libero comes in. So they play a "half rotation" in back. Under NCAA rules, one of the two middles must serve, but the other does not have to before they are replaced by the libero. And with the greater sub count, it isn't unusual for a team to 'burn' two subs on the count to bring in a 'serving sub' to serve for the 'serving' middle blocker.)

Between the greater number of subs allowed in the NCAA and the libero-middle subs not counting against that limit, the variations of how coaches choose to use those 15 substitutions varies greatly from team to team. When Wisconsin played Nebraska in the 2021 national championship match, it was Wisconsin who used more subs in the normal rotation, and ran out in at least one of the sets; Nebraska was using fewer and didn't run out. Yesterday, it was the reverse; Nebraska regularly uses more in 2024 and were right up to the limit when the second set ended.

(What happens if/when you run out? The six players on the floor must play the rest of the set, with the normal middle blocker/libero substitutions contunuing, because again, they don't count against the limit. But coaches are keenly aware of where they are with their count, and have "plan B" already in mind for what they do when they get close to and hit the limit.)

All fair points. Your description of a "half rotation" is what I was trying to say about MBs playing back row. MBs have to serve in International play because liberos cannot serve (unlike NCAA volleyball).
 
It's my fault, sorry. Robert knows VB and I had questions. It's not our first incursion into VB over the years. It's a dead time for pucks.
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Besides, this forum is a cornucopia of interesting but otherwise useless bits of trivia. That is why I log in whenever I get a chance. Let us not focus too narrowly.
 
Badger Hilary Knight's PWHL Boston team defeated Badger Carla MacLeod's PWHL Ottawa team. Badger Sophie Shirley contributed an assist in the winning effort.

​​​https://www.thepwhl.com/en/news/202...ures-second-straight-home-win-3-2-over-ottawa

I just can't into the PWHL. One would think a guy like me would be, but if I'm going to get into it, what interest will it replace? I only have a certain amount mental free time capacity. I already watch less NHL than I'd like to. I do appreciate the updates. It does help me stay somewhat attached to the former Badgers.
 
The PWHL is where we'll follow the exploits of OB, Lacey Eden, KK, and others as they continue their hockey careers.

What, men play hockey and get paid to do it? Now, that's a waste of bandwidth. I can barely stomach men's hockey at the college level. Ignoring it frees up time to follow the more elegant and entertaining women's game.
 
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The PWHL is where we'll follow the exploits of OB, Lacey Eden, KK, and others as they continue their hockey careers. What, men play hockey and get paid to do it? Now, that's a waste of bandwidth. I can barely stomach men's hockey at the college level. Ignoring it frees up time to follow the more elegant and entertaining women's game.

I do agree the flow of the women's game is more pure and better flowing.
 
If you want to see juiced-up people banging into each other at close quarters, watch WWE. If you want to see hockey, go to LaBahn Arena.
 
The fans who attend are far more civilized also. Although I do remember a certain hockey mom who constantly created drama from the stands.

Sounds like the hockey parent who said MJ didn't coach because he wasn't constantly in people's faces. Same one?
 
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