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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
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Not me, because it was year 4 of the dreaded cycle.
Gandalf the Red
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
I can understand this happening with Corbin McGuire (ok I can't understand this ever happening w/ out someone being fired), but not the most important recruit in your upcoming class.
At this point, Eaves and staff should just resign and let the players coach themselves the rest of the season. It can't get any uglier and at least no one will be coaching them to play not to lose if they are up in a game.
I can understand this happening with Corbin McGuire (ok I can't understand this ever happening w/ out someone being fired), but not the most important recruit in your upcoming class.
At this point, Eaves and staff should just resign and let the players coach themselves the rest of the season. It can't get any uglier and at least no one will be coaching them to play not to lose if they are up in a game.
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
totally insane. it's bad they forgot where he was playing but really, to ask how it's going is ridiculous. You should be able to deduce much of that by reading about the games for *****sakes
totally insane. it's bad they forgot where he was playing but really, to ask how it's going is ridiculous. You should be able to deduce much of that by reading about the games for *****sakes
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
It is shocking that they were not monitoring his performance in games via box scores and even reading local articles on team he plays for. To not know and keep track of the guy is just deplorable.
It sure makes you wonder how he researches recruits. Some of us were scouring the BCHL and AJHL league stats looking for targets last year before Rockwood and Ustaski signed as UW didn't have a full load of players committed at that point. I was going the BCHL site when Rumpel was committed and still playing there wondering how he was doing. We are doing more research than Eaves? Unbelievable.
It is shocking that they were not monitoring his performance in games via box scores and even reading local articles on team he plays for. To not know and keep track of the guy is just deplorable.
It sure makes you wonder how he researches recruits. Some of us were scouring the BCHL and AJHL league stats looking for targets last year before Rockwood and Ustaski signed as UW didn't have a full load of players committed at that point. I was going the BCHL site when Rumpel was committed and still playing there wondering how he was doing. We are doing more research than Eaves? Unbelievable.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
I think it is a complete load of crap to suggest that the coaching staff wasn't paying attention or wasn't keeping track of his performance.
With young athletes (especially heavily promoted ones like this), what are they going to want to talk about? THEMSELVES!!! If I were a coach I would certainly take the approach of "So how have things been going?" to allow the player to respond with "Really well, I had a monster game against XYZ!". This would allow me to reply with "Yeah, I saw that you had X points in that game, that was pretty good!".
This gives the kid a chance to blow his own horn, and also feeds into the positive feedback loop from an authority figure; "Look at me, I did something good!" "Yes, yes you did and we are so proud of you!".
But then again, I'm certainly not a coach or a recruiter...so feel free to tell me how full of crap I am.
So Eaves may have said Burnsville when he meant to say Waterloo, mistakes happen...I know that I've said the wrong name of a city or a person when I've been talking to someone. I'd love to know what the source on this conversation is. Is this something that Chuck got directly from Brock? From a teammate who overheard the actual call? From a 3rd hand source that heard someone say something about something?
Alternately, who is to say that Eaves didn't have knowledge of a trip that Boeser had made to Burnsville, its only a few hours from Waterloo so it isn't out of the question. Maybe the intent was to show that the coaching staff had been paying attention, and had been paying attention to things beyond the game and it got lost in translation.
I know that the popular thing to do is bash Eaves and the rest of the coaching staff, but unless any of you know every move that the coaching staff is making, every box score that they look at, every highlight clip they watch on YouTube, every phone call that they make, every chart that they have on the progress of a potential recruit...this is all pure speculation and is highly unfair and unfounded in my eyes.
So yes, I'll offer an excuse for why Eaves may have said Burnsville on accident, and another one for why he may have said it on purpose.
But if you take a step back and take a look at what is grounded in fact and you'll see that we don't really know much (if anything) about what is actually happening in the coaching offices.
That should add enough fuel to the fire to get a few more pages worth of ranting from the anti-Eaves crowd. I'll sit back and enjoy.
I think it is a complete load of crap to suggest that the coaching staff wasn't paying attention or wasn't keeping track of his performance.
With young athletes (especially heavily promoted ones like this), what are they going to want to talk about? THEMSELVES!!! If I were a coach I would certainly take the approach of "So how have things been going?" to allow the player to respond with "Really well, I had a monster game against XYZ!". This would allow me to reply with "Yeah, I saw that you had X points in that game, that was pretty good!".
This gives the kid a chance to blow his own horn, and also feeds into the positive feedback loop from an authority figure; "Look at me, I did something good!" "Yes, yes you did and we are so proud of you!".
But then again, I'm certainly not a coach or a recruiter...so feel free to tell me how full of crap I am.
So Eaves may have said Burnsville when he meant to say Waterloo, mistakes happen...I know that I've said the wrong name of a city or a person when I've been talking to someone. I'd love to know what the source on this conversation is. Is this something that Chuck got directly from Brock? From a teammate who overheard the actual call? From a 3rd hand source that heard someone say something about something?
Alternately, who is to say that Eaves didn't have knowledge of a trip that Boeser had made to Burnsville, its only a few hours from Waterloo so it isn't out of the question. Maybe the intent was to show that the coaching staff had been paying attention, and had been paying attention to things beyond the game and it got lost in translation.
I know that the popular thing to do is bash Eaves and the rest of the coaching staff, but unless any of you know every move that the coaching staff is making, every box score that they look at, every highlight clip they watch on YouTube, every phone call that they make, every chart that they have on the progress of a potential recruit...this is all pure speculation and is highly unfair and unfounded in my eyes.
So yes, I'll offer an excuse for why Eaves may have said Burnsville on accident, and another one for why he may have said it on purpose.
But if you take a step back and take a look at what is grounded in fact and you'll see that we don't really know much (if anything) about what is actually happening in the coaching offices.
That should add enough fuel to the fire to get a few more pages worth of ranting from the anti-Eaves crowd. I'll sit back and enjoy.
Chuck Schwartz
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Probably a bit of an overreaction on this thing. It's inexcusable but it was in the fall. Season may not have even been underway, I don't know. It still shouldn't have happened but let's not go crazy here. And it wasn't Eaves. It was an assistant.
Probably a bit of an overreaction on this thing. It's inexcusable but it was in the fall. Season may not have even been underway, I don't know. It still shouldn't have happened but let's not go crazy here. And it wasn't Eaves. It was an assistant.
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Probably a guy who was a rink manager previously. Sounds like something he might do. Still Eaves is responsible as he hired the assistants with no college coaching experience.
Probably a guy who was a rink manager previously. Sounds like something he might do. Still Eaves is responsible as he hired the assistants with no college coaching experience.
IndianaBadger1995
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
What makes you think Hastings woulds leave Minnesota State? Oz and Granato would be good choices I suppose. Isn't Gwoz currently working for an NHL team?
Last year was the lowest high point of the "4 year cycle" history. Good to know it sucks going 24-11-2 and getting a #1 seed.
What makes you think Hastings woulds leave Minnesota State? Oz and Granato would be good choices I suppose. Isn't Gwoz currently working for an NHL team?
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
1. A chance to return a sleeping giant to its former glory. 2. Good old fashioned green backs.
1. A chance to return a sleeping giant to its former glory. 2. Good old fashioned green backs.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Should have seen it coming Timmy!
My money was on NoDak. After my recent discussions on boards, and face to face with Badger hockey fans, I think there was a 1% chance (+/- 1%) of him playing in Madison, and then landing in Grand Forks. When he committed, the Badgers were pretty good and because of program history, he felt pretty good. I think if really wanted Minnesota, he would have committed to them at the time he committed to UW.
I'm not surprised. NoDak just continues to reload, ****ing reload, and ****ing reload. THAT tells me something about our program. That's not a shot at NoDak, it's a shot at ours.
I knew it was coming, but the news still ****ed me off.
Should have seen it coming Timmy!
My money was on NoDak. After my recent discussions on boards, and face to face with Badger hockey fans, I think there was a 1% chance (+/- 1%) of him playing in Madison, and then landing in Grand Forks. When he committed, the Badgers were pretty good and because of program history, he felt pretty good. I think if really wanted Minnesota, he would have committed to them at the time he committed to UW.
I'm not surprised. NoDak just continues to reload, ****ing reload, and ****ing reload. THAT tells me something about our program. That's not a shot at NoDak, it's a shot at ours.
I knew it was coming, but the news still ****ed me off.
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Let's take a look at this
You had to know that a drop of blood in these waters would send the sharks into a frenzy.
You're better than that Andy, or at least you should be.
Let's take a look at this
To be fair you didn't say it was Eaves, but knowing that it wasn't you could have done us all a favor by saying so...
To me that sure sounds like you were implying that it was during the season...
You had to know that a drop of blood in these waters would send the sharks into a frenzy.
You're better than that Andy, or at least you should be.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
The Power Play with CJ guy called Boeser to No Dak in the beginning of December. I think it just sounded weird because of his accent.
The Power Play with CJ guy called Boeser to No Dak in the beginning of December. I think it just sounded weird because of his accent.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
At this point I have no idea if that was the whole story Chuck was basing some of his recent comments on; Or if there's a whole lot more to the story beyond this particular incident; Or what the real nature of this incident was exactly; Or if the UW coaching staff soured on Boeser simply because he decommitted and there was a trust problem going forward as is often the case; Or if they soured for some other reason; Or if they didn't but lost out anyway; Or if there were other incidents; Or if there is a whole lot more to tell but Chuck can't say much because of his relationship with Waterloo.
I'm not losing sleep over it, though.
At this point I have no idea if that was the whole story Chuck was basing some of his recent comments on; Or if there's a whole lot more to the story beyond this particular incident; Or what the real nature of this incident was exactly; Or if the UW coaching staff soured on Boeser simply because he decommitted and there was a trust problem going forward as is often the case; Or if they soured for some other reason; Or if they didn't but lost out anyway; Or if there were other incidents; Or if there is a whole lot more to tell but Chuck can't say much because of his relationship with Waterloo.
I'm not losing sleep over it, though.
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Your not losing sleep over losing our best recruit for next year? Yep just another banner day for Badger Hockey....
Your not losing sleep over losing our best recruit for next year? Yep just another banner day for Badger Hockey....
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
He's definately not our best recruit for next year.
I think next time you see Shuey you should try out some of the "rink manager" shtick you keep doing.
I bet he'd get a kick out of it!
He's definately not our best recruit for next year.
I think next time you see Shuey you should try out some of the "rink manager" shtick you keep doing.
I bet he'd get a kick out of it!
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Shtick, nope the truth. Not that I need confirmation but you might-right from uwbadgers.com "Shuchuk arrived from his position as executive director of Madison Ice, Inc., where he oversaw daily operations of Madison Ice Arena and Hartmeyer Ice Arena in Madison." He had no college coaching experience at all and hadn't coached kids over high school age, prior to Wisconsin. No USHL, no division 3, etc.
But to be fair it isn't his fault, it's the guy that hired him.....
Shtick, nope the truth. Not that I need confirmation but you might-right from uwbadgers.com "Shuchuk arrived from his position as executive director of Madison Ice, Inc., where he oversaw daily operations of Madison Ice Arena and Hartmeyer Ice Arena in Madison." He had no college coaching experience at all and hadn't coached kids over high school age, prior to Wisconsin. No USHL, no division 3, etc.
But to be fair it isn't his fault, it's the guy that hired him.....
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oldicecoach
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
When there is a timeout or a critical point in the game Shuey is the one diagramming plays and instructing the troops. Eaves stands up on the bench seemingly not paying attention. Apparently he has picked up a lot of hockey knowledge overseeing ice rink operations.
When there is a timeout or a critical point in the game Shuey is the one diagramming plays and instructing the troops. Eaves stands up on the bench seemingly not paying attention. Apparently he has picked up a lot of hockey knowledge overseeing ice rink operations.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time
Could be he picked up something along the way about winning hockey by being one of very few guys to win a NCAA championship, A Calder Cup, and a Stanley Cup. Or playing for world class coaches like Brian Murray or Dave Tibbett. (Or even Barry Melrose, I guess.) Or playing with the best Hockey player in the world. Or in his 15 years of pro hockey.
But yeah, it's probably the ice rink thing that's important.
Could be he picked up something along the way about winning hockey by being one of very few guys to win a NCAA championship, A Calder Cup, and a Stanley Cup. Or playing for world class coaches like Brian Murray or Dave Tibbett. (Or even Barry Melrose, I guess.) Or playing with the best Hockey player in the world. Or in his 15 years of pro hockey.
But yeah, it's probably the ice rink thing that's important.
oldicecoach
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Never thought I would agree with you on anything.
WiscTJK
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If he was so good at coaching why did he have the job he did and no experience coaching at any level over high school?????
Winning hockey - like 2 wins in 25 games. Oh yeah that's winning hockey alright. There have been plenty of great players that don't make good coaches.
I appreciate that he was a great player for a lot of years, but it's clear there is something very very wrong in Madison even if you don't see it.
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