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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

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Chuck Schwartz said:
Wisconsin already tried to flip his commitment this past fall before he signed his letter of intent. He declined. Now that he's signed with UMass, there is no going back. His mom had an interesting tweet the other day.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>You know your kid made the right choice for college & hockey when the head coach flies in & out to watch his sectional final game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blessed?src=hash">#Blessed</a></p>— Alicia Pelton (@alicia_pelton) <a href="https://twitter.com/alicia_pelton/status/571889894781554690">March 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Funny she didn't mention that I also took the time to be at his Sectional Final. :confused::(

:p


He's a great player on Memorial. Not sure how it will translate in college, but he stands out in high school for sure.

Quick and accurate release. Gets the puck on net quicker than many are expecting.
 
oldtyme25 said:
The issue is not with how many Wisconsin kids they are recruiting or what they are offering, the issue is that they are no longer landing the blue chippers and have subsequently been saddled with mediocre in-state kids eating up 4 years of full scholarship $$ while providing limited return on the investment. While I understand that recruiting is at times a bit of a crap-shoot, as of late Eaves has really sucked! Even if we assume that no coach will land every coveted recruit, I would hope that they could at least get to 50% on the in-state blue chippers.

One thing that jumped out at me on the in-state scholarship players is that all but McCabe came from Wisconsin Prep Hockey. Of those players on that list, not one of them would have been deserving of a ride based upon their production in junior hockey. I included Travis Erstad and Cody Strang on the list as they took up spots that could have been offered to other players.

The list of other kids playing elsewhere was just from the top of my head. I also did not include players like Sean Little and Keegan Meuer as they were limited scholarship players.

My point below:

In State Full Scholarship

1. Matt Pappe
2. Chase Drake
3. Travis Erstad-Never Played
4. Brad Navin
5. Gavin Hartzog
6. Cody Strang-Never Played
7. Jefferson Dahl
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If you think any of those guys received a full scholarship you're delusional. At most any of those guys were 50% and most were considerably less.
 
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

Chuck Schwartz said:
Wisconsin already tried to flip his commitment this past fall before he signed his letter of intent. He declined. Now that he's signed with UMass, there is no going back. His mom had an interesting tweet the other day.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>You know your kid made the right choice for college & hockey when the head coach flies in & out to watch his sectional final game. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blessed?src=hash">#Blessed</a></p>— Alicia Pelton (@alicia_pelton) <a href="https://twitter.com/alicia_pelton/status/571889894781554690">March 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This is the kind of thing Wisconsin doesn't do enough. For example, the Boeser situation... When he played in Madison a few weeks before making his final decision, Wisconsin didn't send anyone to the game. Granted, the team was at Penn State, but it wouldn't have taken much to leave one of the assistants behind to woo him and his family (he had 20 family members there that are Badger fans). Assistant coaches from other schools around the country take games off ALL THE TIME to recruit. Wisconsin never does this. The first weekend that I noticed this year was actually the following weekend when Walsh was at a tournament in Minnesota when the Badgers were in Columbus. If he could miss that weekend, why couldn't he stay back to woo Boeser?
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This kind of stuff is what drives me crazy. I can't wait for this year to be over. Hopefully the athletic dept and king Barry do the right thing for the program and make the necessary changes.
 
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It probably also helps if you have assistant coaches that are experienced in recruiting......
 
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

Chuck Schwartz said:
Wisconsin already tried to flip his commitment this past fall before he signed his letter of intent. He declined. Now that he's signed with UMass, there is no going back. His mom had an interesting tweet the other day.

This is the kind of thing Wisconsin doesn't do enough. For example, the Boeser situation... When he played in Madison a few weeks before making his final decision, Wisconsin didn't send anyone to the game. Granted, the team was at Penn State, but it wouldn't have taken much to leave one of the assistants behind to woo him and his family (he had 20 family members there that are Badger fans). Assistant coaches from other schools around the country take games off ALL THE TIME to recruit. Wisconsin never does this. The first weekend that I noticed this year was actually the following weekend when Walsh was at a tournament in Minnesota when the Badgers were in Columbus. If he could miss that weekend, why couldn't he stay back to woo Boeser?
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Thanks, Andy, that's pretty interesting stuff. I have no idea why I had it in my head that Pelton-Byce hadn't signed his NLI yet. Apparently I'm not sure what year it is currently. So they tried to flip him, but is it correct that they didn't offer him the year before then?

John Byce is still (I think) the last player to play in the frozen four and the Stanley Cup Finals in the same year. Hattrick against Colgate in the '90 championship and then off to Boston. That tweet seems the kind of thing you'd post when you're getting some flak about where he's going...


I wonder if the handwriting was on the wall with Boeser or his bailing out came completely out of left field. Neither is probably an excuse to not be there. On the other hand there was a time when certain connected fans would take some initiative in cases like that. But I guess the fanbase doesn't really work like that anymore since it all became a big business.
 
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Almington said:
If you think any of those guys received a full scholarship you're delusional. At most any of those guys were 50% and most were considerably less.
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Maybe Jeff Dahl was on a bit more by the end? I have no real idea.

For anybody who's interested, here's a list of the in-state Badgers since the 06 team and the year they came in after '06:

06 Team
Andy Brandt
Adam Burish
AJ Degenhardt
Jake Dowell
Davis Drewiske
Josh Engel
Ryan Jeffrey
Kyle Klubertanz
Matt Olinger
Joe Pavelski
Joe Piskula
Jack Skille
Jeff Slinde

07
Andy Bombach
John Mitchell

08
Craig Johnson
Patrick Johnson
Podge Turnbull

09
Eric Springer
Matt Thurber
Ryan Little

10
Keegan Meuer
Craig Smith
Mitch Thompson

11
Jefferson Dahl
Chase Drake
Gavin Hartzog
Sean Little

12
Jake McCabe
Brad Navin
Matt Paape
Landon Peterson

13
None

14
Tim Davison (RS)

15
Jason Ford
Jake Linhart
Alex Shuchuk
Jake Bunz
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Thanks, Andy, that's pretty interesting stuff. I have no idea why I had it in my head that Pelton-Byce hadn't signed his NLI yet. Apparently I'm not sure what year it is currently. So they tried to flip him, but is it correct that they didn't offer him the year before then?
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I don't believe they offered before he committed to UMass, but I'm not 100%.
 
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I don't know on Pelton-Byce, but in general I think it's fairly tough to make a living at UW offering very many 16 year old WI High School players. There are <40 Wisconsin kids playing D1, (and that's on rosters, not all on scholarships or starring.) or, in other words: <10 per class year on average. Of those ten or less in a given year how many are what UW is looking for? A couple? Maybe? And even most of those are somewhat risky as a group until you see them at the next level. And even when you're on the right kid, you still have to have room for them to come in, and get them in when they want to come.
For example, Michael Kapla is a really nice player that I wish we had. And maybe we would have if not for Lowell losing a couple of D and having an immediate need. So they can suddenly bring in Kapla at least a year earlier than UW, and off he goes. In retrospect would I rather have had Max McCormick than Brad Navin? Sure, but Navin was back to back first team all state and had 92 points in 25 games as a Senior. On the other hand McCormick would have had limited playing time coming in, and then of course if he left early as he did from tOSU we would have had yet another freshman for this year. Seems to me there's nothing simple about recruiting WI High School players.

And it's even more complicated then it used to be. UW doesn't really want to offer a ton of very young kids and yet they have to sometimes because kids aren't willing to wait around the way they did when there were only 8-10 schools that were super dominant. By contrast the MN, MI, and New England areas each have 50 to 100 or more prospects each year entering D-1 to choose from. It kills me that Will Butcher plays in Denver, especially because I have a loose personal connection to him, but (and maybe this is completely wrong) I don't believe UW is going to sink or swim in hockey based on Wisconsin recruits at this point. There are 75+ Canadian prospects entering D-1 hockey each year, most of whom aren't predisposed to any particular school. There are another 50-75 from areas that aren't associated with any current D-1 program. Seems like those are the areas it makes more sense to make hay in.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I don't know on Pelton-Byce, but in general I think it's fairly tough to make a living at UW offering very many 16 year old WI High School players. There are <40 Wisconsin kids playing D1, (and that's on rosters, not all on scholarships or starring.) or, in other words: <10 per class year on average. Of those ten or less in a given year how many are what UW is looking for? A couple? Maybe? And even most of those are somewhat risky as a group until you see them at the next level. And even when you're on the right kid, you still have to have room for them to come in, and get them in when they want to come.
For example, Michael Kapla is a really nice player that I wish we had. And maybe we would have if not for Lowell losing a couple of D and having an immediate need. So they can suddenly bring in Kapla at least a year earlier than UW, and off he goes. In retrospect would I rather have had Max McCormick than Brad Navin? Sure, but Navin was back to back first team all state and had 92 points in 25 games as a Senior. On the other hand McCormick would have had limited playing time coming in, and then of course if he left early as he did from tOSU we would have had yet another freshman for this year. Seems to me there's nothing simple about recruiting WI High School players.

And it's even more complicated then it used to be. UW doesn't really want to offer a ton of very young kids and yet they have to sometimes because kids aren't willing to wait around the way they did when there were only 8-10 schools that were super dominant. By contrast the MN, MI, and New England areas each have 50 to 100 or more prospects each year entering D-1 to choose from. It kills me that Will Butcher plays in Denver, especially because I have a loose personal connection to him, but (and maybe this is completely wrong) I don't believe UW is going to sink or swim in hockey based on Wisconsin recruits at this point. There are 75+ Canadian prospects entering D-1 hockey each year, most of whom aren't predisposed to any particular school. There are another 50-75 from areas that aren't associated with any current D-1 program. Seems like those are the areas it makes more sense to make hay in.
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Well UW needs to make hay somewhere, otherwise you end up with 4 wins on March 4, and your best recruit for next year decommitting and heading to Nodak.
 
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WiscTJK said:
Well UW needs to make hay somewhere, otherwise you end up with 4 wins on March 4, and your best recruit for next year decommitting and heading to Nodak.
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Can UW carry these 4 wins over to next season? Might help them actually make it to 10.
 
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

As I read the various thoughts and views on recruiting, it made me think about the title of this thread "Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time".

If you look back over the past 5 years you will see that the last All-American came from the 2009-10 class (Justin Schultz). I don't think anyone can argue that the quality of the recruiting classes have dipped considerably since Oz and Kevin Patrick left the program.

I firmly believe that the presence of Mark Osiecki is what attracted all those NHL caliber d-men to the program. He had the reputation of teaching a style that was compatible with the NHL game. If you look at the regular d-men who were on the roster in 2008-09 McBain, Smith, McDonagh, Gardiner, Goloubef and in 09-10 when Schultz came in and McBain left. Those six players were all 1st or 2nd round NHL picks before they arrived on campus and rest assured they were not there to learn from Eaves.

So if recruiting is the life blood of college sports, how can you continue to keep a head coach who's classes continue to take a nose dive????
 
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oldtyme25 said:
If you look back over the past 5 years you will see that the last All-American came from the 2009-10 class (Justin Schultz).
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McCabe and Mersch were both named All Americans. Although Mersch was second team.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
I don't believe they offered before he committed to UMass, but I'm not 100%.
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I get it.........I thought "they" was UMass.....now it all makes sense. So what is his prognosis as a college player? Lifetime 3rd/4th line guy, or a guy who will end up on the 2nd/1st lines?
 
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oldtyme25 said:
As I read the various thoughts and views on recruiting, it made me think about the title of this thread "Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time".

If you look back over the past 5 years you will see that the last All-American came from the 2009-10 class (Justin Schultz). I don't think anyone can argue that the quality of the recruiting classes have dipped considerably since Oz and Kevin Patrick left the program.

I firmly believe that the presence of Mark Osiecki is what attracted all those NHL caliber d-men to the program. He had the reputation of teaching a style that was compatible with the NHL game. If you look at the regular d-men who were on the roster in 2008-09 McBain, Smith, McDonagh, Gardiner, Goloubef and in 09-10 when Schultz came in and McBain left. Those six players were all 1st or 2nd round NHL picks before they arrived on campus and rest assured they were not there to learn from Eaves.

So if recruiting is the life blood of college sports, how can you continue to keep a head coach who's classes continue to take a nose dive????
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No doubt about it. When my non-hockey buddies ask me, "...what's up with your hockey team..." I tell them RECRUITING, and oldtyme is spot on.
 
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