Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the problem!!

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Fun game tonight and the Badgers deserved a better fate.

Outchanced Michigan by a decent amount, but a couple of breakdowns cost us.


Decent crowd by current pathetic standards.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

And besides, if football makes money it's not a zero sum game, we are two very different crowds generally speaking.

The ovation at the KC tonight when the hoops victory was announced would like a word...


I know far more people that follow all 3 major teams than just follow any one.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Omfg. my rage could fuel a musk rocket to the god**** beginning of time. I'm calling the ad and I'm calling the badger fund and I'm calling as many numbers as i can for the board of regents. This dismissive bulldhit behavior absolutely cannot stand.

I can't ****ing believe that for the 2nd time (at least) Alvarez tells us via a news reporter that he doesn't give a good goddman flying **** about hockey.

And just what does he expect the kids to feel? The kids on the team who read his horse **** quote? Or read that quote he made memorialized over and over in this thread?

**** him. **** him and the arrogance he rode in on. I don't care about football. In fact I know hope hhey go in a tailspin and re-enter the hilles/Morton years. They deserve it for all the ****s Alvarez does not give toward any other sport

EDIT: left some vm's. Unfortunately alvarez's number bounces you to a general msg with no allowance to leave a vm.

For those who want to call and find a board of regents contact, in case they're not up on the site: badger fund 608-262-1000

They should know. I'm calling Monday morning

Sweet melt.

 

[Ice Bisquit]

And it's probably going to pay off as Gard is clearly earning his opportunity to become permanent coach after this year.

I hope so but BA will probably keep MM and replace Gard.

 

[badgerhawk]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Football and basketball pay the bills.

If the hockey program was healthy, that would be a lot less bills FB and BB would have to pick up.

 

[solovsfett]

The ovation at the KC tonight when the hoops victory was announced would like a word...


I know far more people that follow all 3 major teams than just follow any one.

We would cheer if we saw rowing or wrestling or golf won, that's not what I'm getting at. What I mean is there is far less crossover where football season ticket holders go to hockey games and vice versa. Generally they are two distinct groups. That's partly why eat ****/FU is a football thing and not a hockey thing.

Also outside of this board and perhaps amongst ex-players you don't hear anyone chastising Barry and he most definitely deserves dismissal at this point. You can't have the head of the athletic department publicly flaunt his disdain or if not disdain his apathy towards one of the sports programs under his watch

Pat Richter by comparison was god

 

[WiscTJK]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Fun game tonight and the Badgers deserved a better fate.

Outchanced Michigan by a decent amount, but a couple of breakdowns cost us.


Decent crowd by current pathetic standards.

Most entertaining game of the year that I have seen live, but in the end the breakdowns cost us the win.

Light show was kind of cool.

Wittchow will probably get suspended again for elbow to the head.

 

[LordofBrewtown]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

EDIT: left some vm's. Unfortunately alvarez's number bounces you to a general msg with no allowance to leave a vm.

For those who want to call and find a board of regents contact, in case they're not up on the site: badger fund 608-262-1000

They should know. I'm calling Monday morning

Appreciate & agree with the anger. But, as I've said before, calls to Alvarez and King are a waste of time/effort. We know that Barry doesn't care, and isn't going to, and King basically reports to him. Anger/calls need to be directed to his superiors. Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure who to direct those complaints to (couldn't find exact org structure online), so - the board of regents/president is the way to go. Barry's superiors have to make him care (unlikely) or force a "retirement".

Barry's performance as AD, as reflected by the performance of all sports and what those sports have previously done, is not good. He's living off the success of Ryan/Basketball and Women's Hockey (both set up/coaches hired before he was AD). What's been good/better than "normal'? Maybe women's volleyball; but, I'd argue even that is only as good as it was at its peak under coach Waite, and I have doubts the program can remain top level after Carlini (a Waite recruit) graduates.

Barry may luck into being forced to retain Gard against his will. The powers that be really need to take a look and force Barry out before he brings the entire athletic department down/we end up being like Rutgers/finishing in the bottom half of the Big 10 in all sports.

 

[LordofBrewtown]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

We would cheer if we saw rowing or wrestling or golf won,

Have you noticed there's a lot less of that winning going on for rowing/wrestling/golf/other sports in the Alvarez AD era?

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Have you noticed there's a lot less of that winning going on for rowing/wrestling/golf/other sports in the Alvarez AD era?

Yes, I've noticed that but less than I normally would as I'm reading the papers less and less (State Journal).

I've fallen into a malaise with regard to Wisconsin athletics save for the hockey teams and Alvarez has done his level best (along with Eaves) to kill my interest in hockey entirely.

this will be my second consecutive year of not going to games.

And I agree with your previous post. At this point we need to let the President and Board of Regents know the hockey fanbase (and hopefully the fanbases for golf, rowing etc) is apoplectic

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

We would cheer if we saw rowing or wrestling or golf won, that's not what I'm getting at.

Except that the women's game score was announced and received a nice cheer. The hoops result followed and got a HUGE cheer.

The days of an underground exclusive hockey crowd are long gone.

Most hockey fans like football and basketball. This board is not an accurate representative cross section of Badger hockey fans.


Of course it's true that many hoops and football fans don't follow hockey, but that's true of the entire US population.

I like you and we agree on a lot, but I find the hoping that our other programs falter to be a bad look for you.


Myself? I like the big 3 programs about the same. They're all Badgers to me even if hockey is my personal favorite sport.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Except that the women's game score was announced and received a nice cheer. The hoops result followed and got a HUGE cheer.

The days of an underground exclusive hockey crowd are long gone.

Most hockey fans like a football and basketball. This board is not an accurate representative cross section of Badger hockey fans.


Of course it's true that many hoops and football fans don't follow hockey, but that's true of the entire US population.

I like you and we agree on a lot, but I find the hoping that our other programs falter to be a bad look for you.


Myself? I like the big 3 programs about the same. They're all Badgers to me even if hockey is my personal favorite sport.

MOST college hockey fans also like the football and basketball, but the reverse is not true. Personally, I don't really care about MN football that much, and have zero interest in the bouncyball program.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

MOST college hockey fans also like the football and basketball, but the reverse is not true. Personally, I don't really care about MN football that much, and have zero interest in the bouncyball program.

My point is that you cannot project the posters on a board like this onto the fans as a whole and I'd have to guess that the typical Badger fan is more interested in their school's football and basketball programs due to the last 20 years of successes than the typical Gopher fan.

And yes, as I stated, a lot of football/baseball/hoops fans have very little interest in hockey. That is true in most of the country.

 

[NEWI Badger Fan]

My point is that you cannot project the posters on a board like this onto the fans as a whole and I'd have to guess that the typical Badger fan is more interested in their school's football and basketball programs due to the last 20 years of successes than the typical Gopher fan.

And yes, as I stated, a lot of football/baseball/hoops fans have very little interest in hockey. That is true in most of the country.

Average UW fans think BA is doing a good job.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

My point is that you cannot project the posters on a board like this onto the fans as a whole and I'd have to guess that the typical Badger fan is more interested in their school's football and basketball programs due to the last 20 years of successes than the typical Gopher fan.

And yes, as I stated, a lot of football/baseball/hoops fans have very little interest in hockey. That is true in most of the country.

This board is mainly made up of the die-hards, and I agree it is not representational of the average college hockey fan.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Average UW fans think BA is doing a good job.

Do you have a point?

I was responding to Solo's incorrect characterization that UW hockey fans don't crossover and follow the other two major sports. There was a time that that was probably true.

That time is long gone.

 

[BuB]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Appreciate & agree with the anger. But, as I've said before, calls to Alvarez and King are a waste of time/effort. We know that Barry doesn't care, and isn't going to, and King basically reports to him. Anger/calls need to be directed to his superiors. Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure who to direct those complaints to (couldn't find exact org structure online), so - the board of regents/president is the way to go. Barry's superiors have to make him care (unlikely) or force a "retirement".

Barry's performance as AD, as reflected by the performance of all sports and what those sports have previously done, is not good. He's living off the success of Ryan/Basketball and Women's Hockey (both set up/coaches hired before he was AD). What's been good/better than "normal'? Maybe women's volleyball; but, I'd argue even that is only as good as it was at its peak under coach Waite, and I have doubts the program can remain top level after Carlini (a Waite recruit) graduates.

Barry may luck into being forced to retain Gard against his will. The powers that be really need to take a look and force Barry out before he brings the entire athletic department down/we end up being like Rutgers/finishing in the bottom half of the Big 10 in all sports.

I thought this was an interesting point: Who DOES Barry have to answer to? The fact that it is hard for us to determine this may explain that for all intents and purposes the answer is basically NO ONE. BA is the King of the Castle and can do/say/act however he chooses with very little regard for his customers thoughts and feelings. Short of a massive walkout (like they did at Liverpool in the EPL - sorry to mix sports), nothing is going to change. He has so much "Emotional Collateral" built up with FB and BB Badger fans that he can do whatever he wants to Hockey and a vast majority of overall Wisconsin Athletics fans will not care.

I would offer this. Almost all of my co-workers would consider themselves Badger fans. They follow FB and MBB closely. They make note of hockey simply because of MY interest. If Alvarez were to step down tomorrow as AD, they would feel his departure would be a great loss to Wisconsin Athletics. To non hockey Badger fans, as long as FB and MBB are very competitive, anything else that is doing good is "gravy". Do they want golf, CC, Track and Field, hockey, WBB, etc...to be good? Yes, of course - but it's not a priority. And Barry feels the same way.

I have always felt that great AD's at the HS or College level cannot be FB or BB ex-coaches. A fast majority of those people have too much focus on the big 2 sports and no idea how to have a well balanced and fully functional athletic apartment that can have; on some level; across the board competitiveness. Hire me an ex-coach of a "minor sport" and I will show you someone that understands that the value of a fully functional athletic department goes past the big 2 sports. They know what it is like to run that type of a program -but I stress this....They also understand that FB and MBB "pay the bills" and will devote time and resources to make that happen, WHILE STILL making sure the other sports have a stable future as well. I don't think that happens the other way around. It certainly isn't happening at UW right now.

Yes, Pat Richter played FB and BB, but he also played baseball (which he chose to painfully cut) and his son played hockey. He understood this.

 

[solovsfett]

Except that the women's game score was announced and received a nice cheer. The hoops result followed and got a HUGE cheer.

The days of an underground exclusive hockey crowd are long gone.

Most hockey fans like football and basketball. This board is not an accurate representative cross section of Badger hockey fans.


Of course it's true that many hoops and football fans don't follow hockey, but that's true of the entire US population.

I like you and we agree on a lot, but I find the hoping that our other programs falter to be a bad look for you.


Myself? I like the big 3 programs about the same. They're all Badgers to me even if hockey is my personal favorite sport.

You're right, I'm just so far beyond angry with notion an athletic director would essentially broadcast his apathy toward hockey.

There's a part of me that wants his pet sport to falter and face some adversity. Mainly because he shows no concern whatsoever for other sports yet that is his job.

It's hard to fathom he'd want to make statements like that but that's where are now

But in the end I want football and Chryst to succeed like I want Gard to succeed.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

Yep. **** you, Barry.

He inherits an athletic department with three revenue sports, ignores (admittedly, the least profitable) one and later declares he doesn't give two ****s about it because he only cares about the other two.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Do you have a point?

I was responding to Solo's incorrect characterization that UW hockey fans don't crossover and follow the other two major sports. There was a time that that was probably true.

That time is long gone.

More important and relevant is how many badger fans share Barry's antipathy toward hockey.

It's certainly more than any of us dare to admit.