Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the problem!!

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

While I definitely understand not buying tickets in the first place, I don't understood the concept of just eating tickets. I know things are not going well right now, but not able to even give away tickets? It's weird and an issue for other Badger sports as well, just more pronounced with men's hockey.

There were plenty of times I couldn't even give them away. I even donated them to Make-a-Wish and they struggled to find people who wanted them.


A big part of the reason that I gave up my seats was having to eat them when I couldn't use them and to be honest, I'm not well off enough to buy season tickets to just give them away. I'd have preferred to get my money back for them, but finding buyers was near impossible as most of the people who were fans back then had their own tickets.

 

[Badger Booster]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

There were plenty of times I couldn't even give them away. I even donated them to Make-a-Wish and they struggled to find people who wanted them.


A big part of the reason that I gave up my seats was having to eat them when I couldn't use them and to be honest, I'm not well off enough to buy season tickets to just give them away. I'd have preferred to get my money back for them, but finding buyers was near impossible as most of the people who were fans back then had their own tickets.

That would be my fear if I was in the athletic department. At some point (like you and I), those no-shows will turn into non-renewals.

 

[KaMiGo]

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So there is no issues with people dropping tickets, right? no problems with attendance?
Come on buddy, quit toting the line for the Athletic Dept.

We don't compare ourselves to the rest of the college hockey world. That's just rationalizing on your part.
We compare ourselves to what we once had and should be striving to reattain.
You really need to stop polishing this turd.

I didn't say anything about "no issues with people dropping tickets", or "no problems with attendance". There are certainly issues/problems with both.
And while some may say that "We don't compare ourselves to the rest of the college hockey world", I don't personally subscribe to that mentality, in fact I went out of my way to do just that.

Sure, it would be great to see sellout streak, a return to being a national power, more banners to display. That isn't going to happen this season, and probably won't happen for the next few seasons. We all know this.

You choose to look at the numbers and say "Yeah, but they aren't what they were, and aren't where they should be. This program is an embarrassment and needs to be taken out into the woods and shot" I look at the numbers and say "Holy crap, there are going to be a lot of people at the games this weekend, I'm excited about what that is going to do for the overall game environment that I will experience." You have your views, I have mine.

I'm not going to be negative about it. I can see and accept that there are problems with the program, with the coaching, with the players, with the attendance. But I'm not going to let that be a black cloud over me. I'm going to choose to look at the positive things, and sometimes share them so that others can see the positive things too.

But we all know that I am an rationalizing, company-line spouting, administrating-supporting, turd-polishing, head-in-the-clouds apologist (did I miss any other labels?)...there is probably no hope for me, and I've accepted that fact.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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But we all know that I am an rationalizing, company-line spouting, administrating-supporting, turd-polishing, head-in-the-clouds apologist (did I miss any other labels?)...there is probably no hope for me, and I've accepted that fact.

Good.

That's step one.

 

[kingweiser]

Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXVI: Stop looking for the silver lining and ignoring the probl

New guy and a sympathizer, Go Badgers!

 

[solovsfett]

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New guy and a sympathizer, Go Badgers!

welcome to the thread.

lemme guess...Patrick Eaves? Ben Eaves?

 

[burd]

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I didn't say anything about "no issues with people dropping tickets", or "no problems with attendance". There are certainly issues/problems with both.
And while some may say that "We don't compare ourselves to the rest of the college hockey world", I don't personally subscribe to that mentality, in fact I went out of my way to do just that.

Sure, it would be great to see sellout streak, a return to being a national power, more banners to display. That isn't going to happen this season, and probably won't happen for the next few seasons. We all know this.

You choose to look at the numbers and say "Yeah, but they aren't what they were, and aren't where they should be. This program is an embarrassment and needs to be taken out into the woods and shot" I look at the numbers and say "Holy crap, there are going to be a lot of people at the games this weekend, I'm excited about what that is going to do for the overall game environment that I will experience." You have your views, I have mine.

I'm not going to be negative about it. I can see and accept that there are problems with the program, with the coaching, with the players, with the attendance. But I'm not going to let that be a black cloud over me. I'm going to choose to look at the positive things, and sometimes share them so that others can see the positive things too.

But we all know that I am an rationalizing, company-line spouting, administrating-supporting, turd-polishing, head-in-the-clouds apologist (did I miss any other labels?)...there is probably no hope for me, and I've accepted that fact.

The farce is strong with this one.

 

[Timothy A]

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New guy and a sympathizer, Go Badgers!

Your a brave person climbing into the boat now, but at least we know you are not a bandwagoner.........kingweiser = Jason King spying on us?

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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New guy and a sympathizer, Go Badgers!

Welcome aboard! Always nice to see a another Badger fan join in the fray.

Go ahead and get to sharing your thoughts on all things Badger Hockey so that we can start making fun of your perspective you brave soul, you!

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Brief article on Luke Kunin on NHL.com here:http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=798798

 

[KaMiGo]

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I hadn't seen these numbers before, so I thought I would share them for anyone interested:

Kohl Center Capacity for Ice Hockey
100 – 5,389
200 – 4,204
300 – 4,622
ADA – 274
Suites – 576
Clubs – 209
TOTAL – 15,274

Depending on suite configurations total could rise to 15,418.

 

[KaMiGo]

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KaMiGo's Ray of Sunshine

Hi everyone, here is an interesting bit of information for today:

This past weekend at Penn State was the first time that the Badgers have been swept in a 2-game series all season.

not counting the trip to Boston, that was two 1-game series

 

[solovsfett]

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SOLO's ray of hope: 6 games under .500 now. 28 games under .500 since the last ncaa 1st round flameout.

SOUNDS like a great time to line up Don Granato for the HC position and he can hire 2 good new assistants and maybe bring back Bill Howard for goalies if he's still interested.

Wouldn't that light up the fan base a bit?

Moreso than the useless cheerleading by the Mikey eaves sympathizers?

 

[Timothy A]

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I was perusing the stats, and man are Rocky, Hughes' and Soleway's offensive numbers disappointing. These are not bad players, (Hughes is a young So), it just sucks. I have to say also that the impact of Strand and Bittner is underwhelming at this point. The D are scoring more, that is good, but the only forwards meeting expectations are Kunin & Besse (mostly), with Wags and Malone being more productive than I thought they'd be. The rest of the F's are bummer city. Reality is setting in. I feel like the Germans did @ Stalingrad once they were surrounded. Goring promised he'd be able to supply them from the air and the ground troops could not break through and free them. Neither happened and 90000+ Germans were captured and died in Russian POW camps. Hitler should have listened to the Generals and pulled back. How's that for a interesting uplifting metaphor (I could not think of an American situation that was comparable).

 

[WiscTJK]

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KaMiGo's Ray of Sunshine

Hi everyone, here is an interesting bit of information for today:

This past weekend at Penn State was the first time that the Badgers have been swept in a 2-game series all season.

not counting the trip to Boston, that was two 1-game series

Devil's Advocate: Wisconsin's 4 wins rank them in a 3 way tie for 56th place of 60 teams with only Niagra and ASU with less wins (3). Two of the 4 wins came against ASU.

 

[oldtyme25]

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Devil's Advocate: Wisconsin's 4 wins rank them in a 3 way tie for 56th place of 60 teams with only Niagra and ASU with less wins (3). Two of the 4 wins came against ASU.

Take away the two wins versus an expansion team and we are dead last! If you think about it, ASU has one more win against a "real" program than Wisconsin. Can we please get this over and fire the person who is solely responsible for killing one of the strongest programs in NCAA history???

 

[oldtyme25]

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I have to say also that the impact of Strand and Bittner is underwhelming at this point.

I think you were over estimating the overall impact on play from an assistant coach. The #1 role of an assistant is recruiting and the #2 is teaching. The overall impact of a good assistant is in long-term quality of the incoming players and the ability of these kids to absorb the lessons that are being taught. This is not like football where an offensive or defensive coordinators game plan and schemes can make a big difference in a team's play.

A perfect example is a coach like Oz, at Wisconsin he made a difference because the defensemen that he was able to recruit were stock full of 1st and 2nd round talent. He was then able to make them better through coaching...but you take a team full of average and below skilled players and all the coaching in the world won't turn them into and elite players. The mess here really has nothing to do with Strand or Bittner. But rather it should be laid at the feet of the one person who doesn't seem to want to take responsibility for destroying the program, Coach Eaves!!

 

[Timothy A]

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I think you were over estimating the overall impact on play from an assistant coach.

I am probably putting too high of an expectation on them, though Walsh and Schuey had the bar pretty low to begin with. I was expecting more consistent play in the D zone and transition D, and on special teams, and I think that these things are teachable. Special teams is better, but the equal strength D play has not progressed as much as it should have. We'll never see them affect recruiting since the next 3 years were full before they got here. And I think UW's goaltending not where it needs to be, no fault of anyone's except bailoutboy I guess.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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The majority of the Badgers defensive problems have come on the rush against rather that 5x5 in the zone. However they have had a some key breakdowns in zone that have cost them games. One of the big issues right now is that with Sexton out, Eddie is the only puck separator on the D. Guys have picked up on their positional play considerably, but no one can just play cover D forever, just like in football with no pass rush, something bad is going to happen eventually. Somebody has to separate the puck carrier from the puck and two of our pairings just aren't the type of guys to do it with consistency without Paddy in the lineup.

I agree with Tim that a lot of the D issues are teachable things that need improvement, especially just plain situational awareness. Of course the greatest teacher is experience, and overall this team is still relatively short on that. I see individual improvement but that hasn't translated into real team improvement yet, and even though it's essentially all new systems play this year, we're twenty games in and it should be coming together. Tomorrow would be a good time for that to happen.

 

[Red_Rob]

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KaMiGo's Ray of Sunshine

Hi everyone, here is an interesting bit of information for today:

This past weekend at Penn State was the first time that the Badgers have been swept in a 2-game series all season.

not counting the trip to Boston, that was two 1-game series

this could be taken with a grain of salt. The trip out East for the 2nd weekend of the year we were swept. While we didn't lose to the same team twice, we didn't play the same team. We lost to BC and BU.