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Wisconsin Hockey XXIX: Yes, this is the Rumpel Rink!

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burd said:
Hand out free water bottles for the North Dakota series.
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That would be awesome. Then in the video intro montage, show the event, then hand the sue players and coaches umbrellas to use if they choose not to get more wet than from the sweat.
 
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solovsfett said:
Blue Line Club was the club downstairs where beer was served to all BLC members. It was an annual fee to be a member. Moving from the coliseum to the KC lost some diehards that would also like to have a beer at the game. Eliminating the BLC afterward at the KC was like eliminating the snake pit at INDY under Tony George. People want to have fun at these things and a not insignificant portion of the crowd (many of whom have now moved away from UW hockey) enjoyed having a beer or two between periods.
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KaMiGo said:
The decision about providing alcohol service to the general masses at sporting events is not an Athletic Department decision, that comes from the University Administration.
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I'd love to take up the cause for you, but when it was brought up at the meeting it was very clearly identified that alcohol sales was not an issue that this specific committee would be discussing.

A quick Google search can find these pages: Alcohol Policy and UW-MADISON ALCOHOL PHILOSOPHY. This outlines the University's current alcohol policy and lists the people who sit on that advisory group. This would be the list of people to contact to voice your concerns/opinions.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Two of my all time favorite highlight reel moments from recent memory are both times Shane Connelly pulled this move:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApqgcDoAh7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rzbhFYI4pI
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I was there for the UND save, and we couldn't believe he stopped it--even after watching the replay. The Denver save is even more acrobatic.

Good stuff. Makes me even more eager for October. And, more so, November 7. Two barnburners would be sweet.

Two arsekickings would be sweet too, but I'll save those comments for ss.com out of respect for fragile Badger fans.
 
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While I get the social allure of having a beverage between periods, is it REALLY that big of a deal that it would be a reason for someone not to go to the game? You can drink before or after games as Madison certainly has a vibrant nightlife within steps of the Kohl. Hell, if you are that hardcore, sneaking in a mixer to spice up a soda is not that difficult. I know of one local establishment a few blocks from the rink that has fifth's with a sign saying "bring a friend to the game", so the concept of BYOB is not unheard of. Do people not go to Camp Randall because you can't buy a beer? or how about to the Kohl for a bouncyball game?
 
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markwojo said:
While I get the social allure of having a beverage between periods, is it REALLY that big of a deal that it would be a reason for someone not to go to the game? You can drink before or after games as Madison certainly has a vibrant nightlife within steps of the Kohl. Hell, if you are that hardcore, sneaking in a mixer to spice up a soda is not that difficult. I know of one local establishment a few blocks from the rink that has fifth's with a sign saying "bring a friend to the game", so the concept of BYOB is not unheard of. Do people not go to Camp Randall because you can't buy a beer? or how about to the Kohl for a bouncyball game?
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This.

When I want to drink at a Badger hockey (football, basketball) game, I bring my own, which is certainly better than a $7 Miller Lite or whatever it would be - probably Keystone Light as that might be the equivalent to RC.

I belonged to the BLC at the KC and it was fun (sorta), but to scramble to the basement and slam a beer between periods required leaving my seat with a couple of minutes left and missing the first several minutes of the next period. Ultimately not worth the trouble when I can just have a rum or whiskey & Coke... er... RC, right in my seat.
 
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PS - If you're gonna "bring a friend" from Regent, get there early as the line can be crazy before games.

I usually bring a flask, but when I've forgotten, I've paid the price in that line.
 
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markwojo said:
While I get the social allure of having a beverage between periods, is it REALLY that big of a deal that it would be a reason for someone not to go to the game? You can drink before or after games as Madison certainly has a vibrant nightlife within steps of the Kohl. Hell, if you are that hardcore, sneaking in a mixer to spice up a soda is not that difficult. I know of one local establishment a few blocks from the rink that has fifth's with a sign saying "bring a friend to the game", so the concept of BYOB is not unheard of. Do people not go to Camp Randall because you can't buy a beer? or how about to the Kohl for a bouncyball game?
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doesn't make it or break it for me but it did for certain fans. the group that went and sold-out the Dane is an entire different group then what showed up at the KC those first years, it almost appeared as though 1/4 of those people just quit going to the games.

then when the BLC went down it seemed to erode the fanbase a bit as well

the bottom line though is fun, the games are far less fun than they used to be and the cheers disappearing, the banners (meaning student brought banners) ban, THE BANNERS (the ones they took off the rafters), the band on gophers on a stick et al, the lack of the BLC and raising ticket and parking prices...all of that is a part of it

With regard to lower ceilings at the KC vs. United Center, that polemic makes NO sense whatsoever. With the banners up you had a reason to look up, w/the ring garbage you just forget those things are even there. Who wants to stare at cheap looking signs on concrete?
 
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markwojo said:
While I get the social allure of having a beverage between periods, is it REALLY that big of a deal that it would be a reason for someone not to go to the game? You can drink before or after games as Madison certainly has a vibrant nightlife within steps of the Kohl. Hell, if you are that hardcore, sneaking in a mixer to spice up a soda is not that difficult. I know of one local establishment a few blocks from the rink that has fifth's with a sign saying "bring a friend to the game", so the concept of BYOB is not unheard of. Do people not go to Camp Randall because you can't buy a beer? or how about to the Kohl for a bouncyball game?
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If you can't enjoy a hockey game without beer, you have an alcohol problem or a "going to hockey games when you know you don't enjoy hockey (and therefore wasting money)" problem. I feel the same about people who [female canine] about beer prices at games where beer is sold, specifically when their comments imply that it is a required part of the watching experience, as if the price of beer is a required fee tacked on to their ticket. (The high prices of food/beverage prices in general is a valid complaint.) This whole no-beer thing reminds me of people who talk about how they can't function without coffee in the morning - that's called a caffeine addiction, and it's a problem, not just some casual thing.

Also, I prefer banners, but the ring thing looks a lot better than you'd think. People look at it. You can't just say that they don't as if it's indisputable fact.
 
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WiscDC said:
If you can't enjoy a hockey game without beer, you have an alcohol problem or a "going to hockey games when you know you don't enjoy hockey (and therefore wasting money)" problem. I feel the same about people who [female canine] about beer prices at games where beer is sold, specifically when their comments imply that it is a required part of the watching experience, as if the price of beer is a required fee tacked on to their ticket. (The high prices of food/beverage prices in general is a valid complaint.) This whole no-beer thing reminds me of people who talk about how they can't function without coffee in the morning - that's called a caffeine addiction, and it's a problem, not just some casual thing.
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The fact of the matter is that there are people who want a beer at a hockey game. It's really irrelevant whether you can empathize, understand, identify with or respect the fact that those people exist. You cannot project your values or expectations onto other people.

I know people who no longer go for that very reason. Their choice and unfortunately, the team's loss in terms of attendance.

Yeah, I've been to far more games where I didn't drink than where I did, but sometimes I'd like a cocktail or to continue my buzz from pregame festivities and couldn't care less whether you think that makes me someone with an alcohol problem or not.

So I bring my flask and no one gets hurt.
 
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I was reading about early commits in the women's forum and it made me think about Corbin McGuire. He committed at an early age and back in 2009 Chuck was really high on him, but he ended up redshifting last year on the upper class laden team. No one has really mentioned him as a possible contributor in the way he was projected when we committed. I'm curious to hear Chuck's comments on this since he may have seen him practice and play in the past.
 
Timothy A said:
I was reading about early commits in the women's forum and it made me think about Corbin McGuire. He committed at an early age and back in 2009 Chuck was really high on him, but he ended up redshifting last year on the upper class laden team. No one has really mentioned him as a possible contributor in the way he was projected when we committed. I'm curious to hear Chuck's comments on this since he may have seen him practice and play in the past.
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He really plateaued after he left Taft.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
The fact of the matter is that there are people who want a beer at a hockey game. It's really irrelevant whether you can empathize, understand, identify with or respect the fact that those people exist. You cannot project your values or expectations onto other people.

I know people who no longer go for that very reason. Their choice and unfortunately, the team's loss in terms of attendance.
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Spot on. I think it is important to understand that Friday/Saturday hockey games are some (many) peoples' primary social experience for the week, especially the season ticket holders. It is a competition to draw people in. Some people would like to have a beer or two while enjoying a hockey game and if they cannot do it at the stadium, it is pretty **** easy to do it at home and still watch the game most nights. This is not a drinking problem. I understand that beer sales is not the athletic departments decision and it is a touchy subject in college sports but I think it is irresponsible to ignore it completely. If you want to draw people to the game, you have to compete.

I think most of us here would love to return to the sold out Kohl Center. Accomplishing that goal, however, seems very unlikely given current numbers.


Gurtholfin said:
Yeah, I've been to far more games where I didn't drink than where I did, but sometimes I'd like a cocktail or to continue my buzz from pregame festivities and couldn't care less whether you think that makes me someone with an alcohol problem or not.

So I bring my flask and no one gets hurt.
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I as well. As a student, I was one of the few in my group who would be on time to every game. Many in my group would come during the second period so they could continue drinking. Bad fans? Maybe. But those are the same people who helped sell out the Kohl Center. As a freshman, they made tickets based on seniority. We were lucky to be the first row of the third deck of the student section. Now they cannot even sell out the second deck of the student section. This makes me much more open to any ideas that get butts in the seats. *******, drunk, coastie, blackhawks fan, whoever. Whatever it takes to fill the seats.
 
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Timothy A said:
I was reading about early commits in the women's forum and it made me think about Corbin McGuire. He committed at an early age and back in 2009 Chuck was really high on him, but he ended up redshifting last year on the upper class laden team. No one has really mentioned him as a possible contributor in the way he was projected when we committed. I'm curious to hear Chuck's comments on this since he may have seen him practice and play in the past.
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The only time I've seen McGuire in the past few years was at the red-white scrimmage last fall. He didn't look like he was ready to contribute to the lineup at that point, and obviously he didn't see the ice last year. (I should note Aidan Cavallini looked more out of place than McGuire did in that scrimmage, and he made large strides last season. It's possible McGuire could have done the same since that point.)

Obviously you run a huge risk when you recruit players early in the game. Not only with potential plateauing of the talent level, but the risk of injury as well. I certainly wasn't the only one who was high on McGuire at the time. Fargo thought enough of him to select him in the 2nd round of the USHL Draft and insert him in the lineup immediately as a high school junior. Obviously Wisconsin offered him a hefty scholarship too. In full disclosure I was high on McGuire after viewing him at the USA Hockey Select 15 festival back in 2008 where he lit up the event and finished second in points to Seth Ambroz, who at the time was considered possibly the No. 1 forward recruit in the country for his age group. McGuire out-scored kids like Rocco Grimaldi at that camp.

It's easy to call it a mistake in retrospect, but we don't know how good he would be if the injuries didn't happen. If people don't remember, he suffered a pretty serious concussion early in his USHL career and ended up going home after just 13 games. He finished the season (and his junior career) in the EJHL closer to home. McGuire has had injuries in the following years that sidelined him as well.

His development didn't go nearly as well as originally planned and we'll never know how much of an effect the injuries had to do with that. I think he'll get a chance this season to see what he can do out there. You could say the same for virtually everyone on the roster, given the youth and inexperience. That said, my expectations are low (3-6 points).
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
The only time I've seen McGuire in the past few years was at the red-white scrimmage last fall. He didn't look like he was ready to contribute to the lineup at that point, and obviously he didn't see the ice last year. (I should note Aidan Cavallini looked more out of place than McGuire did in that scrimmage, and he made large strides last season. It's possible McGuire could have done the same since that point.)

Obviously you run a huge risk when you recruit players early in the game. Not only with potential plateauing of the talent level, but the risk of injury as well. I certainly wasn't the only one who was high on McGuire at the time. Fargo thought enough of him to select him in the 2nd round of the USHL Draft and insert him in the lineup immediately as a high school junior. Obviously Wisconsin offered him a hefty scholarship too. In full disclosure I was high on McGuire after viewing him at the USA Hockey Select 15 festival back in 2008 where he lit up the event and finished second in points to Seth Ambroz, who at the time was considered possibly the No. 1 forward recruit in the country for his age group. McGuire out-scored kids like Rocco Grimaldi at that camp.

It's easy to call it a mistake in retrospect, but we don't know how good he would be if the injuries didn't happen. If people don't remember, he suffered a pretty serious concussion early in his USHL career and ended up going home after just 13 games. He finished the season (and his junior career) in the EJHL closer to home. McGuire has had injuries in the following years that sidelined him as well.

His development didn't go nearly as well as originally planned and we'll never know how much of an effect the injuries had to do with that. I think he'll get a chance this season to see what he can do out there. You could say the same for virtually everyone on the roster, given the youth and inexperience. That said, my expectations are low (3-6 points).
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Here's to hoping he breaks out at some point. Thanks for the background.
 
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