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Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...

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which leads to the question of why. Did some people think that Walsh was a prohibitive favorite? Uncertanty to Eaves future at UW? Eaves and/or UW's reputation for poor treatment? Just an odd situation? The result of Sauer not developing a coaching tree with former players in the way that many other top coaches do? Were the applicants as equally underwhelming back in 2010 when UW ended up with Butters?

I don't expect anyone to have all the answers to this, but you cannot have a continually great program without a great coaching staff in place.

These are all questions I'd love to get the answers to. One would have thought a well credentialed, networked and experienced guy could have supplanted Walsh. The fact that no one of this caliber even tried is bothersome.
 
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These are all questions I'd love to get the answers to. One would have thought a well credentialed, networked and experienced guy could have supplanted Walsh. The fact that no one of this caliber even tried is bothersome.

Wait what? link Seemed there was a decent quantity of applicants and some actual quality in the mix too. Let's also assume that perhaps Shuchuk had earned/is the lead assistant...guys are not leaving a head coaching gig in the USHL/BCHL/AJHL or assistant gig in say the AHL to be the 2nd assistant at UW.

I'm not opposed to Matt Walsh getting a permanent gig based on his coaching work last season. His D group developed/played well despite being thrust into a less then ideal circumstance with Buters "finding God" a month into the season. Eaves had an entire season to observe Walsh and gage how effective he might be permanently which to me is more valueable then taking a bit of a guess on a guys resume that you get to interview. Day in and day out, Eaves saw Walsh work ethic, personality, and how he relates to the Badger players (and I assume recruits on visits).
 
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Quite the run.


Two things jump out at me. First, the D were in heavily involved in the scoring with shots on net from the point that either went in, got tipped or created a rebound. That's an area that has been lacking, but hopefully this can be a trend with Walsh on board. Secondly, the reaction of the St. Cloud player to Rumpel's stick stopping the puck is priceless. I have to figure out how to screen shot that, blow it up and put it in the basement or garage. The agony of defeat! That is it right there, only supplanted by the skiing dude wiping out on the old ABC Wide World of Sports intro. Thanks for posting.
 
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Secondly, the reaction of the St. Cloud player to Rumpel's stick stopping the puck is priceless. I have to figure out how to screen shot that, blow it up and put it in the basement or garage. The agony of defeat! That is it right there, only supplanted by the skiing dude wiping out on the old ABC Wide World of Sports intro. Thanks for posting.
Probably won't look too good when enlarged on your wall, but nonetheless:

 
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Judging by the comments....just promoting Mark Johnson to the mens coach will fix everything.

Baggott is correct...there needs to be an increased emphasis on getting more students to the games for two reasons....first the immediate improvement of the atmosphere in the present and second they are potential future season ticketholders if they are exposed to the product and endoctronated into the culture of Badger hockey.

I think last years attendance woes were heavily influenced by the schedule being a ginormous turd. You had no North Dakota or Denver at home and no Minnesota home game for the Saturday season ticketholders. Mix in a Thurs/Friday night series, a Sunday/Monday night series, and a poorly marketed return to the Dane County and you had a recipe for disasterous attendance...not to mention an attrocious start didn't exactly get the average fan who want to see good teams excited. The only quality opponent for a series we played in the Kohl last season was Miami.
 
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I completely agree that they need to do something in regards to the students. This coming season will be my 4th year as a student season ticket holder and the student atmosphere (and even the general public atmosphere) is very disappointing compared to when I came to games in middle and high school. I remember the first few games I ever came to and the students were practically packed to the rafters. Now the section rarely fills up to half of the second deck. I know some of that has to do with team performance but losing that many fans on a yearly basis is just ridiculous and HAS to be addressed.
 
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Judging by the comments....just promoting Mark Johnson to the mens coach will fix everything.

Baggott is correct...there needs to be an increased emphasis on getting more students to the games for two reasons....first the immediate improvement of the atmosphere in the present and second they are potential future season ticketholders if they are exposed to the product and endoctronated into the culture of Badger hockey.

I've said it before on this board (and in my season ticket holder survey), and I'll say it again -- Badger hockey sells itself. I have a friend who had never been exposed to much hockey, and went to her first hockey game opening night against CC this past season. Many empty seats were visible, but there were times when I could barely hear myself think, and she came back several times after. I've seen so many students get into the Badger Hockey experience (to varying degrees) simply by getting exposed. And I'm just talking about the past two seasons. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see more promotion of hockey to students. They've tried heavily to get more students to come to the basketball games with all sorts of reward programs. If you go to many UW basketball games, you can see how variable our student section is. Personally, I think just a little hype can go a long way when it comes to viewing each weekend series as a big "event." Random people talking about it the week leading up does wonders for enthusiasm at 6 PM the night of a game, especially a Big Ten game. With student hockey tickets selling out for years and then not selling out the past two years, I can't help but think that will add to the effort.

Being from the DC area, I saw firsthand what happened to the Washington Capitals in the 2007-08 season. The team started winning more. Local newspapers and the like started talking about them. Random people thought, "hmm, we have a winning team, let me try this out." Those random people kept tuning in on TV and coming back to the Verizon Center, and everything compounded from there. The Capitals were terrible for years, and everyone knew it, and DC had (and while it's tougher to compare the two now, it still does have) a small hockey presence compared to Madison. There are many incoming students who are huge sports fans, but know little to nothing of college hockey. Getting them on board would do wonders for the reasons you said.

Personally, I don't obsess over opponents when Wisconsin is playing, but I understand that's just me. Maybe tons of people weren't hyped for NMU opening weekend in 2011-12 (and the empty seats showed it), but those two games were two of the most raucous atmosphere's I've experienced at a sporting event. And I was at this game.

From the article:

2. Love, love, love the students. Entice them with gifts — say, a pregame raffle for a commemorative Blake Geoffrion sweater (you must be present to win) — and as many discounts as necessary to get them and keep them onboard.

I feel feel pretty loved. I love them even more. But I want more of my classmates to experience the love.

3. Make the games more interactive. Give fans video access of the dressing room before the players come on the ice. Put a mike on a player during warm-ups.

Some more compelling behind-the-scenes stuff like we see for football would be great. Things of this nature, perhaps? But in the form of short-ish things to put on Youtube. Make sure you make the videos LISTED, athletic department. Whoever is running the youtube account hasn't exactly gotten the hang of that.

4. Embrace the culture. Pick three stars of the game. Play the Canadian national anthem.

I'm on board with the three stars thing, but the Canadian national anthem? College hockey is distinctly American! USA hockey! The battle between CHL and NCAA routes! All that good stuff.

5. Embrace the legacy. Have replica sweaters of past greats on sale or have a drawing for one each home game. Have former players do scoreboard videos about their time at UW. Show highlights from the past that would help a new generation of fans appreciate their rooting roots.

C'mon, athletic department. I know you have all kinds of old footage, but I can barely find any of it on the internet. "Embracing the legacy" ingrains a sense of legitimacy in the minds of people. It helps support that as a part of our athletic department's identity.

When it comes to spectator sports, it's the chicken and the egg. I've seen fans comment and say they might not go to as many games because of dwindling attendance and atmosphere. But it only gets worse if they don't go! I'm not saying it's their duty to stay, but it's a perfect illustration of what happens in cases like this. The opposite is true as well (see my mention of the Washington Capitals above). Better crowds and atmosphere makes the whole experience more compelling...leading to bigger crowds. From what I understand, Michigan State has been greatly improving attendance in the last couple of years and has gotten Munn to resemble the "good old days." A couple of years ago, it would have appeared those days were gone, but games like this indicate otherwise. (Yeah, that was the best of the year, not average.) Most fans that aren't going now but did in the past didn't magically lose any and all interest in UW hockey.

This post ended up pretty long, so I'll just say I especially agree with the points made about students.
 
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I want to add that I believe "style of play" has almost no impact. The games are still exciting, and if you're able to break down the subtle differences, you're probably more than a casual fan (or you're just really picky). It's my understanding that attendance has been stellar during the Eaves era, and the Kohl Center was regularly filled up until very recently. Yes, I am aware that the 2009-10 attendance figure is between 13 and 14 thousand if you don't include the Camp Randall game. It's still pretty sweet.

Winning is a far greater factor.

If they do nothing different but manage to add a beer garden, I'll be really mad, because that's stupid. I only added that sentence because somebody suggested it in the comments of the article.
 
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I completely agree that they need to do something in regards to the students. This coming season will be my 4th year as a student season ticket holder and the student atmosphere (and even the general public atmosphere) is very disappointing compared to when I came to games in middle and high school. I remember the first few games I ever came to and the students were practically packed to the rafters. Now the section rarely fills up to half of the second deck. I know some of that has to do with team performance but losing that many fans on a yearly basis is just ridiculous and HAS to be addressed.

Something like this?
 
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I went on one of my standard *****y rants in the comments section of that Baggot article.

Lack of consistent success and dull systems aside, I don't know how the AD plans to sell tickets to a college sporting event when they seem so hellbent on removing all of the college-y atmosphere. Outside of giving Leckrone barely enough of a leash to play "Varsity", I don't really know what the AD or KC staff are doing to try to bring back that "Montreal Forum of College Hockey" reputation that no longer exists. Their genius solution seems to be more sponsored animations on the jumbotron of Bucky trying to find the ball under the right hat.
 
I want to add that I believe "style of play" has almost no impact. The games are still exciting, and if you're able to break down the subtle differences, you're probably more than a casual fan (or you're just really picky). It's my understanding that attendance has been stellar during the Eaves era, and the Kohl Center was regularly filled up until very recently. Yes, I am aware that the 2009-10 attendance figure is between 13 and 14 thousand if you don't include the Camp Randall game. It's still pretty sweet.

Winning is a far greater factor.

If they do nothing different but manage to add a beer garden, I'll be really mad, because that's stupid. I only added that sentence because somebody suggested it in the comments of the article.
I am all for winning but in my opinion since WI is a big school with loads of money the fans shouldn't have to put up with a subpar product on the ice. Eaves systems are for schools who have a difficult time recruiting in years past they were able to find great talent. Your rivals to the west would never put up with Eaves systems.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol XXV: There's Hope! Or whatever...

I went on one of my standard *****y rants in the comments section of that Baggot article.

Lack of consistent success and dull systems aside, I don't know how the AD plans to sell tickets to a college sporting event when they seem so hellbent on removing all of the college-y atmosphere. Outside of giving Leckrone barely enough of a leash to play "Varsity", I don't really know what the AD or KC staff are doing to try to bring back that "Montreal Forum of College Hockey" reputation that no longer exists. Their genius solution seems to be more sponsored animations on the jumbotron of Bucky trying to find the ball under the right hat.

**** right. let the kids be kids and let them AND LET US bring in signs, bring in gophers on a stick or huskies on a stick or whatever, let US control the atmosphere we'll make the KC intimidating for the opposition and fun for us!

during stoppages go ahead and show famous badgers on the jumbotron, Eaves, Johnson, Chelios, Driver, Richter, Cujo, Carey, Zent et al in action. show the water bottle fight, in fact during that hour before the game the jumbotron should be used for all this type of stuff, show the history, flaunt it, revel in it

sell jersey's of famous badgers in the concourse #15 Heater, #21 Granato et al

is it really this difficult for the admin to comprehend? ***? during the fab five years in Ann Arbor they sold the **** out of jerseys w/those guys numbers and names on em
 
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