Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience

[solovsfett]

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I wonder if Wisconsin has enough talent on the roster.

Chuck you really need to get over the fact other people have opinions and don't always agree with you. Check the Minnesota threads for examples of how people can interact that have diverging opinions. Also...You are not the god of Wisconsin hockey, get over yourself.

 

[wjefwhite]

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Chuck you really need to get over the fact other people have opinions and don't always agree with you. Check the Minnesota threads for examples of how people can interact that have diverging opinions. Also...You are not the god of Wisconsin hockey, get over yourself.

At it again Solo. Ripped me a while back now Chuck again. He may not be the god of Wisco hockey, but the guy puts out more information on our program than any other single source in the media including Baggott who is too busy
with the other sports at UW most of the time. Since we lost Todd from the Cap Times Chuck has stepped in and done well over the internet from St Cloud of all places.

As for the Minny threads, if you like getting bashed , play there more often.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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Chuck you really need to get over the fact other people have opinions and don't always agree with you. Check the Minnesota threads for examples of how people can interact that have diverging opinions. Also...You are not the god of Wisconsin hockey, get over yourself.

Why so angry after such a nice win?

 

[Almington]

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Why so angry after such a nice win?

Because he is being proven 100% wrong.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

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Because he is being proven 100% wrong.

+1

The future is bright! Plus, in my delusional red tinted glasses, I have a good feeling about the first round of the WCHA playoffs. If we can squeeze another win out tonight, we will be playing with a lot of confidence. With a hot goalie, anything can happen. I am looking forward to the next few (hopeful) weeks of Badger hockey. Never thought I would say that this season...

 

[solovsfett]

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Because he is being proven 100% wrong.

really? glad you can read my mind.

Chuck annoys me because he allows no room for other opinions. that's all. despite the fact I said (and you may want to re-read) that I HOPE I'm wrong.

yet each post I've made now in the last week or two Chuck has to come on and made some snide remark. and it's exasperating really.

Like I said, I question the talent level of the team, but I HOPE I'M WRONG. does that satisfy you now that I say it again? probably not.

my only "negative" comment is look at the stats right now. Zengerle and Schultz are carrying far too much weight. Barnes and Mersch points-wise haven't progressed like players we've seen in the past and UW needs them too.

 

[solovsfett]

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At it again Solo. Ripped me a while back now Chuck again. He may not be the god of Wisco hockey, but the guy puts out more information on our program than any other single source in the media including Baggott who is too busy
with the other sports at UW most of the time. Since we lost Todd from the Cap Times Chuck has stepped in and done well over the internet from St Cloud of all places.

As for the Minny threads, if you like getting bashed , play there more often.

and I've complimented Chuck for his information numerous times. this board is not a 1-way street where only 1 (and it must be positive) opinion can be made w/out question.

and I'm ripping Chuck as I just said because now he's following me making snide remarks and I won't just sit idly when someone does that.

as for your minny comment it makes no sense.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Because he is being proven 100% wrong.

No he wasn't. One game doesn't make up for this crap-tastic season nor the 4 out of the past six that we've had to deal with.

You guys are acting pretty juvenile with your little pot shots.

We're 16-15-2. If that's proof that there's plenty of talent, then, well I don't know what to say.

 

[burd]

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You guys both bring something to the discussion, and disagreements are bound to get a little edgy at times. The Badger threads are good ones--you guys know the game and have a good sense of humor.

Focus on the team winning one more in Minny and then playing like they have no talent in GF next weekend.

 

[Almington]

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No he wasn't. One game doesn't make up for this crap-tastic season nor the 4 out of the past six that we've had to deal with.

You guys are acting pretty juvenile with your little pot shots.

We're 16-15-2. If that's proof that there's plenty of talent, then, well I don't know what to say.

The issue this season has not been talent, it has been cohesiveness: being more than just a group of guys who play hockey together and becoming a single integrated unit. Team building takes time, particularly when the roster is 90% freshmen and sophomores. It's not about assembling the greatest collection of talent, it's about building the best team possible. Just because a team loses games doesn't mean that talent isn't present, the greatest assembly of talent often isn't the best team. Talent is necessary but not sufficient alone to win games.

As long as Eaves continues to have such massively unbalanced classes, the cycle of 2 up seasons and 2 down season is going to continue regardless of the teams talent level.

 

[solovsfett]

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No he wasn't. One game doesn't make up for this crap-tastic season nor the 4 out of the past six that we've had to deal with.

You guys are acting pretty juvenile with your little pot shots.

We're 16-15-2. If that's proof that there's plenty of talent, then, well I don't know what to say.

Gurt you bring up another good point re: 4 of 6 years being less than stellar or expected. I know that some of the frustration that has come from those years has sort of built up (for me) and this year I've let it get to me a bit.

I want this team to be great, I guess that's part of why I've criticized as harshly as I have as I personally don't see what Chuck and some others are seeing from the current group.

I DID see it in the Burish class right off the bat which is why I had in my tag immediately when they were frosh "Wisconsin Hockey 2006 NCAA Champs". I just had a gut feeling great things were coming from that group I guess.

Next year Eaves has a great (but small) class coming in that will help (or as frosh will they not contribute enough to push the team to the upper division? will they bolster the argument that talent wins out of the box? or will they need 2 years of seasoning to be great?). They also lose Schultz and that's a big hole to fill.

again 2011-2012 has been a frustrating year, I'm down on them now but have also given them props for all of their recent wins and hope that I'm wrong on the talent and they'll bust out w/24 wins next year.

Wisconsin Hockey: drop the puck!

 

[burd]

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The issue this season has not been talent, it has been cohesiveness: being more than just a group of guys who play hockey together and becoming a single integrated unit. Team building takes time, particularly when the roster is 90% freshmen and sophomores. It's not about assembling the greatest collection of talent, it's about building the best team possible. Just because a team loses games doesn't mean that talent isn't present, the greatest assembly of talent often isn't the best team. Talent is necessary but not sufficient alone to win games.

As long as Eaves continues to have such massively unbalanced classes, the cycle of 2 up seasons and 2 down season is going to continue regardless of the teams talent level.

The problem is that programs like UW are all competing not only for a frozen four appearance but winning. You can have a cohesive team built out of modest talent but it's da!! hard to get far in the tourney without a bunch of high end talent. UND has mediocre talent this year, but Hakstol has done a great job of getting them to work as a unit. It's been fun, and most fans really like this team, but it's hard to see them getting very far in the tourney, if they even make it there. They could be dangerous, but winning out is just not likely. If the Badgers go to GF next weekend, there is a fair chance they could be successful there.

Other than York, and possibly Gwoz, I'm not sure any of these guys can recruit high end talent, coach players to work as a team (and get more to stay), and coach the big game. I really like Hakstol, but I'm not sure you can do better than Eaves, everything considered.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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If anyone wants to talk Badger hockey during the game tonight, stop by our live chat. 4-0 since we started doing it the Saturday night against Denver.

LINK

 

[solovsfett]

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pretty solid game for both teams.

though I must nod to TimothyA on his sentiment re: 1-line team. that was very apparent tonight. Hopefully they can take 2 next weekend and extend the season

 

[wjefwhite]

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and I've complimented Chuck for his information numerous times. this board is not a 1-way street where only 1 (and it must be positive) opinion can be made w/out question.

and I'm ripping Chuck as I just said because now he's following me making snide remarks and I won't just sit idly when someone does that.

as for your minny comment it makes no sense.

Minny comment is clear. You made it sound like the Minnesota threads were fairer and more intelligent. They are just as bad as anyone at trashing. It was a poor example of where to post comments. They are nothing special.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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The issue this season has not been talent, it has been cohesiveness: being more than just a group of guys who play hockey together and becoming a single integrated unit. Team building takes time, particularly when the roster is 90% freshmen and sophomores. It's not about assembling the greatest collection of talent, it's about building the best team possible. Just because a team loses games doesn't mean that talent isn't present, the greatest assembly of talent often isn't the best team. Talent is necessary but not sufficient alone to win games.

As long as Eaves continues to have such massively unbalanced classes, the cycle of 2 up seasons and 2 down season is going to continue regardless of the teams talent level.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying in terms of the team just not clicking, although if there was a ton of individual talent on this team, I'd expect to see more flashes of it. I thought I was seeing flashes at the beginning of the season, but that has tailed off.

My issue is with what I bolded above. This season.

If it were just this season that we were struggling due to the excuse du jour, I'd be right along side of you talking the ledgies down. The problem is that there seems to be an abundance of excuses spread over a number of years and it's getting old.

Unbalanced classes don't just happen. A head coach's job as CEO is to do the best he can to anticipate these sorts of things and as I pointed out before, this is the second time that we have had a major rebuilding phase just after a run to the finals.

I just don't think that you can point to one win over the Gophers as proof of one side of the argument any more than the loss tonight supports Solo's side. In hockey, any team can win (or lose) a game at any time. It's obviously trends that we need to examine and I'm not happy with the past several years.

And judging by the anemic attendance at the KC of late, I'm not the only one.

 

[IronRangeHockey]

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No he wasn't. One game doesn't make up for this crap-tastic season nor the 4 out of the past six that we've had to deal with.

You guys are acting pretty juvenile with your little pot shots.

We're 16-15-2. If that's proof that there's plenty of talent, then, well I don't know what to say.

Atleast theres something to build on, this weekend was a fun one.

 

[solovsfett]

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Minny comment is clear. You made it sound like the Minnesota threads were fairer and more intelligent. They are just as bad as anyone at trashing. It was a poor example of where to post comments. They are nothing special.

you misunderstood where I was going with that. If you viewed the UW/MN game thread for friday you'd see many Minnesota fans basically ripping their team (a 1st place team no less) for their performance and then alluding to prior years chit performances and inferring they won't go anywhere in the playoffs, etc.

I mean it was pretty targeted and sort of emotional stuff. I just think that when a team under-performs for whatever reason there's ample room to analyze and if you feel it necessary, to ***** about said performance or lackthereof and looks for causes for it. be it 1 game, 1/2 season of work, or an entire season.

this is what I think gets lost in the UW threads (or at least w/Chuck, Almington and you I guess).

 

[MadCityRich]

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Nice pair of games this weekend. I was into these TV games like none other in a while. These guys have really grown up recently. J-Rump (Rumpelstiltskin...really? That's the best you can do?) has solidified #1, but "Ginger" is a worthy #2. Now, let's extend the season and see how grown up we really are.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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J-Rump (Rumpelstiltskin...really? That's the best you can do?) has solidified #1, but "Ginger" is a worthy #2. Now, let's extend the season and see how grown up we really are.

I think Rumpel is developing into that next star All-American type goaltender we all hoped he would be when he committed. He's going to be a great one by the time his Badger career is over.