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Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XX - Growth Through Experience

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On a brighter note, BTN is showing the 2006 Championship game at 10:00.


Oh wait! What am I thinking?

I need to start a thread for this...
 
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solovsfett said:
Rumpel - extremely overrated. if he was supposed to be elite it ain't happening now and if he's not showing it now I'm not sure it's going to happen, period.
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The last thing I want to be is the voice of reason, but I think it's a bit premature to give up on Rumpel. He's a freshman and doesn't really have a whole lot of help in front of him.

Sure, he was off his angle on the second goal, but I'm willing to take a wait and see approach with him.
 
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I'm not convinced Rumpel is over-rated, but the last 2 games he's allowed 1 dud in each. The second goal tonight he was so far off his angle I could have scored on him. He did have that great save late in the 3rd when the D fell asleep agian on the backside. I do think Petersen should get the nod tomorrow to change it up a bit.

The most shocking thing to me is how bad the PK is. There's really no excuse for it being as bad as it is. Eaves have never had a team this bad on the pk EVER. Lately they've been getting nailed on the rush on the pk, in addition to the set plays. Who is in charge of the pk?

Looking deeper, are we convinced Schuey and Butters are good enough? Schuey has never coached at this high a level before (not even close) and Butters was basically out of coaching when Eaves called him. I suppose the issues have been going on longer than they have been there, but they haven't had an impact to right the ship. The D just seem to not be getting any better.

And UW didn't pass on quality chances either. In fact, I think a couple times they shot and should have passed from the wing to the middle of the ice. I'm watching DU/CC right now and DU loves to pass and not shoot.

Why wasn't Lee in the line-up tonight?

I just can't stop shaking my head in disgust as I'm typing. The season is basically dead. They'll get to go somewhere in the first round, get outplayed on special teams, and that will be that.
 
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RE Rumpel: In a nutshell -- ditto.

After this Feb 3rd crapper, the 2006 Nat'l Champ game is being replayed on BTN... do I need to comment further?

<<logging on just to keep my USCHO account active.>>
 
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Gurtholfin said:
The last thing I want to be is the voice of reason, but I think it's a bit premature to give up on Rumpel. He's a freshman and doesn't really have a whole lot of help in front of him.

Sure, he was off his angle on the second goal, but I'm willing to take a wait and see approach with him.
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you may be right. but I recall being extremely impressed with Mike Valley in his few frosh starts, really impressed by Mellanson and impressed by Bruckler as well when they were first starting. I was not impressed at all w/Connelly nor Gudmanson initially nor overall. Similarly Rumpel is not hitting me like those first 3 and certainly not like Elliott, or even Duane Derksen
 
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Timothy A said:
I'm not convinced Rumpel is over-rated, but the last 2 games he's allowed 1 dud in each. The second goal tonight he was so far off his angle I could have scored on him. He did have that great save late in the 3rd when the D fell asleep agian on the backside. I do think Petersen should get the nod tomorrow to change it up a bit.

The most shocking thing to me is how bad the PK is. There's really no excuse for it being as bad as it is. Eaves have never had a team this bad on the pk EVER. Lately they've been getting nailed on the rush on the pk, in addition to the set plays. Who is in charge of the pk?

Looking deeper, are we convinced Schuey and Butters are good enough? Schuey has never coached at this high a level before (not even close) and Butters was basically out of coaching when Eaves called him. I suppose the issues have been going on longer than they have been there, but they haven't had an impact to right the ship. The D just seem to not be getting any better.

And UW didn't pass on quality chances either. In fact, I think a couple times they shot and should have passed from the wing to the middle of the ice. I'm watching DU/CC right now and DU loves to pass and not shoot.

Why wasn't Lee in the line-up tonight?

I just can't stop shaking my head in disgust as I'm typing. The season is basically dead. They'll get to go somewhere in the first round, get outplayed on special teams, and that will be that.
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good point on the assistants. Eaves had a tough summer that way when kids were leaving early and had 2 coaches to replace but he DID take a measured approach in that he didn't hire these guys right out of the box.

I don't know, 2 things are happening and it's all on the coaches (all of them) but most especially Eaves since he's in charge

poor recruiting (which has been lackluster save the Mcdonagh class since the 06 championship team so 1 of 5 classes since has been great, the rest mediocre)
poor development (which is *new*)

so...
 
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Robbie brilliantly plays possum... ;)
 
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Watching this game... there were some STUDS on this team.

We are a million frickin' miles from getting back to this position. :(

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boy the product eaves is putting on the ice is just awful. speaking of in state players we are getting the wrong ones, condon, costello, mccormick all playing else where, but we have six instate forwards that can't bury a puck at all.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Watching this game... there were some STUDS on this team.

We are a million frickin' miles from getting back to this position. :(

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yup. and that's what ****es me off, that Eaves just hasn't had any continuity/consistency since, and there's really no fathomable reason for that.

If people think UW will be a challenger to a league title or top 5 even (not to even mention FF) next season, they're being pollyannish/ic to say the least (or delusional to be very harsh about it).

UW doesn't look like they are anywhere close to turning a corner (again,...they're not re-loading like the good or great teams, they're effing re-building). I keep bringing that up (lack of consistency and this being Eaves' 10th year as coach) because by now you'd expect some effing consistency. Gwoz has it. Effing Hackstooge has it. York has it. Berenson very obviously has it. so why with UW's resources and history does UW NOT have that?

so...I don't see UW challenging next year so when/(if) they don't there had better be some soul searching on campus as to what's gone wrong (recruiting, coaching) and how to rectify it. And I'm not giving Eaves a pass. Pressure should be put on him now to produce, this is like every job.

and before gopher fans chime in on this (and I appreciate the input honestly), let me add this caveat... there is a huge difference between UW's woes now and UMN's woes of the prior 3 years.

mainly this...UMN had supreme top 10 overall talent on paper for those years, possibly top 5 overall. So their failure had a lot to do w/development and lack of cohesion amongst star-type players.

UW w/the exception of the McDonagh class has dealt with grinders and players who IMO have no business playing on an elite team for the last 5 years. more and more I see this (obviously) as a recruiting failure and a big one.
 
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ecjd said:
boy the product eaves is putting on the ice is just awful. speaking of in state players we are getting the wrong ones, condon, costello, mccormick all playing else where, but we have six instate forwards that can't bury a puck at all.
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you mean little, little, meuer, dahl, hartzog, and .... yeah I hear ya. Condon was low-balled apparently. and for out-of state guys UW couldn't land Reilly Smith, and...either wasn't interested in Ben Hanowski or whiffed...

that bs and it needs to stop immediately. meaning Eaves has to change the recruiting tactics now and they need to work asap (like w/in 2-3 years) or we're looking at 2002-3 all over again.
 
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solovsfett said:
and this is the reason I say I want improvement in recruiting from Eaves NOW. they'll need 3 consecutive Kerdiles/Zulinick classes and have to have a couple of Smith/McDonagh/Gardiner's in there as well (none in the queue that I can see just yet) and that is asking a ton.
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How special/lucky were we to be able to watch Smith/McDon/Gardiner/Schultz/Cody G as our top 5 D? You can even toss Ramage in the mix, because he was amazing his Freshman year. That team would crush...I mean CRUSH this years team.
 
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bucky15 said:
How special/lucky were we to be able to watch Smith/McDon/Gardiner/Schultz/Cody G as our top 5 D? You can even toss Ramage in the mix, because he was amazing his Freshman year. That team would crush...I mean CRUSH this years team.
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And as good as that was, the 06 team would have had their way with those guys.

I sure am glad that I stopped to smell the roses from 04-ish through 06 as that may not happen again for quite some time. Very special group.
 
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It's scary to imagine how good the title team would've been if Elliott was healthy all season and if Piskula never got hurt.

Oh, to have problems like that once again...
 
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Gurtholfin said:
And as good as that was, the 06 team would have had their way with those guys.

I sure am glad that I stopped to smell the roses from 04-ish through 06 as that may not happen again for quite some time. Very special group.
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Both of those teams had a buzz about them that made going to the Kohl Center a special experience. I think it may be awhile before another group like these two teams comes around again.
 
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solovsfett said:
and before gopher fans chime in on this (and I appreciate the input honestly), let me add this caveat... there is a huge difference between UW's woes now and UMN's woes of the prior 3 years.

mainly this...UMN had supreme top 10 overall talent on paper for those years, possibly top 5 overall. So their failure had a lot to do w/development and lack of cohesion amongst star-type players.
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The big difference in this year's Gophers is getting Guentzel back. I don't think you can underestimate the importance of having a real take charge, strong coach with excellent recruiting skills as the 2nd in command. Especially when he comes from within your program and has a lot of passion for it. Never underestimate the impact of the assistant coaches. They are too overlooked by media when the talk of recruiting and development goes on. Media always focuses on the head coach and that is only partially accurate. It's not a one man show in that regard.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
And as good as that was, the 06 team would have had their way with those guys.

I sure am glad that I stopped to smell the roses from 04-ish through 06 as that may not happen again for quite some time. Very special group.
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yes. remember at-times the 06 team could forecheck and cycle the puck and even change one guy out while forechecking they were so tenacious and good in the O-zone it was incredible.

sigh...

Wisconsin Hockey - 2017 NCAA Champs?
 
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Hammy said:
The big difference in this year's Gophers is getting Guentzel back. I don't think you can underestimate the importance of having a real take charge, strong coach with excellent recruiting skills as the 2nd in command. Especially when he comes from within your program and has a lot of passion for it. Never underestimate the impact of the assistant coaches. They are too overlooked by media when the talk of recruiting and development goes on. Media always focuses on the head coach and that is only partially accurate. It's not a one man show in that regard.
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Since they are in a postion to have a closer relationship with the players, they have a big impact on loyalty and how the players buy into the roles assigned to them.
 
solovsfett said:
yes. remember at-times the 06 team could forecheck and cycle the puck and even change one guy out while forechecking they were so tenacious and good in the O-zone it was incredible.

sigh...

Wisconsin Hockey - 2017 NCAA Champs?
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At the current trend, we're closer to being Bowling Green in five years than we are to being champs.
 
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Hammy said:
The big difference in this year's Gophers is getting Guentzel back. I don't think you can underestimate the importance of having a real take charge, strong coach with excellent recruiting skills as the 2nd in command. Especially when he comes from within your program and has a lot of passion for it. Never underestimate the impact of the assistant coaches. They are too overlooked by media when the talk of recruiting and development goes on. Media always focuses on the head coach and that is only partially accurate. It's not a one man show in that regard.
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excellent point, you and TimothyA may be on to something w/the assistant coaches perhaps not being up to par. since butters is the D-coach and the D sucks and isn't developing I'd say he's doing a terrible job.

Shuchuk is the recruiter: none of the frosh (his guys) are lighting it up, I'd call them quite average including LaBate. Next season's class is better at Forward and solid on d (perhaps average, we'll see) but they'd need 2 more of these classes AND to have the assistants and Eaves develop them into better players which isn't happening now and it's shocking given Eaves' track record from 2010 and prior
 
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