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Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
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solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
I'm counting the drubbing by the rats as well
I'm counting the drubbing by the rats as well
VarsityWisconsin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
Yes. I am a goof ball who doesn't take message boards seriously and logs into them for pure entertainment. My apologies.
Yes. I am a goof ball who doesn't take message boards seriously and logs into them for pure entertainment. My apologies.
VarsityWisconsin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
It could be routine oriented. Afternoon games are few and far between during the season so the overall gameday schedule gets messed up. I wouldn't use that as an excuse, but it could be a factor.
Also, it's only human nature for performance to be best when our asses are on the line so like a lot of the previous posts have tried to articulate, maybe there just wasn't a sense of urgency.
Another factor could be Eaves. Maybe he takes the Bo Ryan approach and tells his guys that they have bigger fish to fry than conference tournaments. By all means, this does not translate to "Don't try your hardest.", but when a bigger picture is in the back of our minds, that can affect the level of importance one sets on a game.
And last, but not least, it could be probability. The Badgers are a good hockey team, but only good enough to win 60% of their games this year. This game might possibly just be fitting in the other 40%. (obviously it's a lot more complicated than that, but for lack of motivation, we'll leave it at that)
Ok, I'm done with all of this psychological guessing. Let's just finish the season on a 5 game winning streak. Are you guys in?
It could be routine oriented. Afternoon games are few and far between during the season so the overall gameday schedule gets messed up. I wouldn't use that as an excuse, but it could be a factor.
Also, it's only human nature for performance to be best when our asses are on the line so like a lot of the previous posts have tried to articulate, maybe there just wasn't a sense of urgency.
Another factor could be Eaves. Maybe he takes the Bo Ryan approach and tells his guys that they have bigger fish to fry than conference tournaments. By all means, this does not translate to "Don't try your hardest.", but when a bigger picture is in the back of our minds, that can affect the level of importance one sets on a game.
And last, but not least, it could be probability. The Badgers are a good hockey team, but only good enough to win 60% of their games this year. This game might possibly just be fitting in the other 40%. (obviously it's a lot more complicated than that, but for lack of motivation, we'll leave it at that)
Ok, I'm done with all of this psychological guessing. Let's just finish the season on a 5 game winning streak. Are you guys in?
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Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
That's not the game that I saw. The team just couldn't finish and Lee made some great saves. It was a faced paced and hard hitting game, much faster and more exciting then the other two games thus far at the final five.
That said, the Badgers didn't bring their A games, lot of mistakes yet if a couple bounces go the other way the Badger could have won the game by 3 or 4 goals.
The games against UAA don't count?
That's not the game that I saw. The team just couldn't finish and Lee made some great saves. It was a faced paced and hard hitting game, much faster and more exciting then the other two games thus far at the final five.
That said, the Badgers didn't bring their A games, lot of mistakes yet if a couple bounces go the other way the Badger could have won the game by 3 or 4 goals.
The games against UAA don't count?
VarsityWisconsin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
I have no complaints about the Badger performance today. Goody was fine in goal and there were plenty of opportunities. We just didn't cash in and come out on top, but if we play the style of hockey we did today, it could translate to bigger things in the next 2 weeks with some luck (Which is a MAJOR factor in hockey. Everybody needs it in some sort in March and please don't give me the "Make your own luck" speech), and really, that's all I ask out of my home hockey team. Heck, Minnesota fans didn't even get that.
I have no complaints about the Badger performance today. Goody was fine in goal and there were plenty of opportunities. We just didn't cash in and come out on top, but if we play the style of hockey we did today, it could translate to bigger things in the next 2 weeks with some luck (Which is a MAJOR factor in hockey. Everybody needs it in some sort in March and please don't give me the "Make your own luck" speech), and really, that's all I ask out of my home hockey team. Heck, Minnesota fans didn't even get that.
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solovsfett
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ah, my fault. I think I'm still hung up on the that rat game
ah, my fault. I think I'm still hung up on the that rat game
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Gurtholfin
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How many times have we said that this year? Sure, the season wasn't on the line, but I would hope that the ol' A game could maybe be mustered when the WCHA Tourney Championship is on the line. Or if not that, maybe the fact that they're playing against a top ten team would get their juices flowing. Or maybe the fact that people are keeping score?
You might also think that they'd be trying to eliminate those little mistakes and try to get on a roll so they can peak at just the right time.
I guess this group is saving it for next weekend.
How many times have we said that this year? Sure, the season wasn't on the line, but I would hope that the ol' A game could maybe be mustered when the WCHA Tourney Championship is on the line. Or if not that, maybe the fact that they're playing against a top ten team would get their juices flowing. Or maybe the fact that people are keeping score?
You might also think that they'd be trying to eliminate those little mistakes and try to get on a roll so they can peak at just the right time.
I guess this group is saving it for next weekend.
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Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
None of the teams at the Final 5 this weekend have had anything close to their A games. To many mistakes and to much sloppy play from all 5 teams.
UW's play today may not have received an A due to the number small mistakes, but I see Lee (and the stupid post) as having won this game more for SCSU than UW doing anything specific to lose it.
Games like today happen, you generate great chance after great chance and catch a post here and the goalie makes a great save there and the next thing you know you have lost a 1-0 game. You try and learn from the mistakes and then put all the talk of puck luck and bad bounces out of you mind because you have to worry about the things that you can control and ignore those you can't.
I saw the effort I expect even if the desired results were not achieved.
None of the teams at the Final 5 this weekend have had anything close to their A games. To many mistakes and to much sloppy play from all 5 teams.
UW's play today may not have received an A due to the number small mistakes, but I see Lee (and the stupid post) as having won this game more for SCSU than UW doing anything specific to lose it.
Games like today happen, you generate great chance after great chance and catch a post here and the goalie makes a great save there and the next thing you know you have lost a 1-0 game. You try and learn from the mistakes and then put all the talk of puck luck and bad bounces out of you mind because you have to worry about the things that you can control and ignore those you can't.
I saw the effort I expect even if the desired results were not achieved.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
If this was a hiccup for UW, it'd be one thing. This is a season long issue for a team that seems to lack the character to get it done for more than a night or two at a time.
They did not play with intensity until the third and by then it was too little, too late. In addition, while Lee was very solid, I wouldn't say he stood on his head. We missed open nets several times and their D stopped a few chances with active sticks.
One more mulligan available tomorrow and then they'd better be ready.
If this was a hiccup for UW, it'd be one thing. This is a season long issue for a team that seems to lack the character to get it done for more than a night or two at a time.
They did not play with intensity until the third and by then it was too little, too late. In addition, while Lee was very solid, I wouldn't say he stood on his head. We missed open nets several times and their D stopped a few chances with active sticks.
One more mulligan available tomorrow and then they'd better be ready.
MagnessMan
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
UW can earn a number one seed with a W tomorrow.
UW can earn a number one seed with a W tomorrow.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
Hopefully they bring their A Game although I'm not sure if that will get them excited or not.
Hopefully they bring their A Game although I'm not sure if that will get them excited or not.
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
I obviously didn't see all the games thusfar at the F5, much less UW, I only listened to the SCSU internet feed so I can't comment on all 5 teams playing poorly at the tourny....
I'll say this as a way to elaborate on my comments about UW not playing well enough, or at least not well enough to be an NCAA Title contender now: Nodak has won 11 of their last 12. They're absolutely rolling right now at the right time. Their .500 prior record doesn't matter. Of the teams heading into the NCAA's I'd bank my money on that kind of a team then someone who sputters in or gets in but hasn't shown dominance all season, or at the least hasn't strung together 5-6 wins consecutively in the season to really show some consistency.
I'm pretty worried about UW's chances right now. Their play is so enigmatic
I obviously didn't see all the games thusfar at the F5, much less UW, I only listened to the SCSU internet feed so I can't comment on all 5 teams playing poorly at the tourny....
I'll say this as a way to elaborate on my comments about UW not playing well enough, or at least not well enough to be an NCAA Title contender now: Nodak has won 11 of their last 12. They're absolutely rolling right now at the right time. Their .500 prior record doesn't matter. Of the teams heading into the NCAA's I'd bank my money on that kind of a team then someone who sputters in or gets in but hasn't shown dominance all season, or at the least hasn't strung together 5-6 wins consecutively in the season to really show some consistency.
I'm pretty worried about UW's chances right now. Their play is so enigmatic
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
I tend to agree with Almington that we generated a ton of great chances. It seemed like every time we got the chance to the net, Lee saved it, and when he was down and beat, we missed the net. However, this is not a hiccup. I've now been complaining about this exact thing for years. Even in the "defensive team" years, we generated chances and didn't finish. I don't know how you teach finishing, but somehow Eaves isn't doing it.
I tend to agree with Almington that we generated a ton of great chances. It seemed like every time we got the chance to the net, Lee saved it, and when he was down and beat, we missed the net. However, this is not a hiccup. I've now been complaining about this exact thing for years. Even in the "defensive team" years, we generated chances and didn't finish. I don't know how you teach finishing, but somehow Eaves isn't doing it.
solovsfett
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
I think finishing is not teachable. Either you have it, Heatley, Kariya, Vanek, Reinprecht, Granato, Toews, Oshie, et al or you don't. and this extends to all the other WCHA teams.
I mean who are you afraid to see go against your team on a breakaway, or who are you most weary of your team facing as an individual player? the only player this season I can mention is Rhett Rakshani (sp?) from DU. none of the rest of the 8 teams has a player like that really. Roe? sometimes. Connolly x2? sometimes. The difference is the players on that first list didn't show up sometimes. they were noticeably creating havoc every game.
Scoring-wise this UW team has far exceeded my expectations. But if you asked me who the snipers are, who can you count on in the clutch, I'm not sure I'd have an answer for you.
next season...however...might be a different story. This Zengerle kid looks like he's got sniper-type talent.
I think finishing is not teachable. Either you have it, Heatley, Kariya, Vanek, Reinprecht, Granato, Toews, Oshie, et al or you don't. and this extends to all the other WCHA teams.
I mean who are you afraid to see go against your team on a breakaway, or who are you most weary of your team facing as an individual player? the only player this season I can mention is Rhett Rakshani (sp?) from DU. none of the rest of the 8 teams has a player like that really. Roe? sometimes. Connolly x2? sometimes. The difference is the players on that first list didn't show up sometimes. they were noticeably creating havoc every game.
Scoring-wise this UW team has far exceeded my expectations. But if you asked me who the snipers are, who can you count on in the clutch, I'm not sure I'd have an answer for you.
next season...however...might be a different story. This Zengerle kid looks like he's got sniper-type talent.
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I think there's a fair amount of truth to that. And because some players have that ability they cause opponents to change their game, which acts like compounded interest. Reinprecht may not be the top star on your list or the best goal-scorer, but he had a way of destabilizing the other team's flow when he was on the ice. Part of that was his linemate, but he was creative in the offensive zone in a way that made coverage a real problem. He was a closer with the shot or the pass.
It's not that I'm a Reinprecht groupie, but he was an example of someone who could be a closer without wowing you with his stand-alone skills. Even without considering Heatley, he was rarely the most talented player on the ice. It takes something more and, as you say, few have it. Those two Hukalo OT goals against UND started with Reinprecht in the face-off circle, if I recall. Crunch time and he delivered.
I think there's a fair amount of truth to that. And because some players have that ability they cause opponents to change their game, which acts like compounded interest. Reinprecht may not be the top star on your list or the best goal-scorer, but he had a way of destabilizing the other team's flow when he was on the ice. Part of that was his linemate, but he was creative in the offensive zone in a way that made coverage a real problem. He was a closer with the shot or the pass.
It's not that I'm a Reinprecht groupie, but he was an example of someone who could be a closer without wowing you with his stand-alone skills. Even without considering Heatley, he was rarely the most talented player on the ice. It takes something more and, as you say, few have it. Those two Hukalo OT goals against UND started with Reinprecht in the face-off circle, if I recall. Crunch time and he delivered.
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Timothy A
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
I used to agree with you, but it's hard to say that this year when the team is averaging 4 goals a game. I do agree Eaves has issues teaching finishing, but this team has enough natural talent on it that teaching it isn't the problem.
As far as the game goes I contend they didn't generate a ton of good chances. 5 shots on goal in the 2nd period? Terrible. They finished strong like I said before, but that effort in the final 10 was not indicative of their performance in the rest of the game.
The pp was not good either, 0-5. Davies did have that one great chance where he didn't top shelf it in the 1st, but that was it. They need to move the puck quicker.
They are not playing with a chip on their shoulder. They need to.
I used to agree with you, but it's hard to say that this year when the team is averaging 4 goals a game. I do agree Eaves has issues teaching finishing, but this team has enough natural talent on it that teaching it isn't the problem.
As far as the game goes I contend they didn't generate a ton of good chances. 5 shots on goal in the 2nd period? Terrible. They finished strong like I said before, but that effort in the final 10 was not indicative of their performance in the rest of the game.
The pp was not good either, 0-5. Davies did have that one great chance where he didn't top shelf it in the 1st, but that was it. They need to move the puck quicker.
They are not playing with a chip on their shoulder. They need to.
srkbadger
Trek: There is no substitute
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
As usual, we'll have to agree to disagree.
As usual, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 3: Just win, baby!
They spent ~half of the 2nd period on the PK, including having to kill off the 5 min major.
As for a woes on the PP, a lot of that had to do with SCSU's PK, very aggressive and always challenging the player with the puck and limiting his options. SCSU does not play a passive PK like most teams and from what I saw that was a major contributor to UW's PP problems.
This team averaged 4 goals a game this season, they know how to finish. If they could finish every opportunity they be in the NHL right now not on UW.
Half or more of the everyday players from this team won't be at UW next year, enjoy what UW has this year, because next season is going to have some growing pains.
This is the best team that UW has had since the 2006-05 team, a team that coincidentally also lost in the semi finals at the F5. Hopefully, this team can come out tonight and lock up the #1 seed to the NCAAs.
They spent ~half of the 2nd period on the PK, including having to kill off the 5 min major.
As for a woes on the PP, a lot of that had to do with SCSU's PK, very aggressive and always challenging the player with the puck and limiting his options. SCSU does not play a passive PK like most teams and from what I saw that was a major contributor to UW's PP problems.
This team averaged 4 goals a game this season, they know how to finish. If they could finish every opportunity they be in the NHL right now not on UW.
Half or more of the everyday players from this team won't be at UW next year, enjoy what UW has this year, because next season is going to have some growing pains.
This is the best team that UW has had since the 2006-05 team, a team that coincidentally also lost in the semi finals at the F5. Hopefully, this team can come out tonight and lock up the #1 seed to the NCAAs.
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Gurtholfin
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The difference being that the 06 team had won 4 in a row before that and was en route to giving up 9 goals in the final 10 games of the year. They were peaking at the right time, had an edge and were playing their game at a high level. Now I realize that they are different teams and that this team will need to score to win, but they might want to start scoring against teams other than Tech or UAA.
I think a lot of us are looking for some sign that this team is going to elevate their game and get on some sort of a roll... something that will be necessary to win a title. The hour is getting late to still be waiting.
The difference being that the 06 team had won 4 in a row before that and was en route to giving up 9 goals in the final 10 games of the year. They were peaking at the right time, had an edge and were playing their game at a high level. Now I realize that they are different teams and that this team will need to score to win, but they might want to start scoring against teams other than Tech or UAA.
I think a lot of us are looking for some sign that this team is going to elevate their game and get on some sort of a roll... something that will be necessary to win a title. The hour is getting late to still be waiting.
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