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Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Wisko McBadgerton said:
Patience boys, we can't climb to the top of the mountain all at once. There's altitude sickness to consider. Or worse our sherpa's might steal our llama's and then we'd be dependant on one of those St. Bernard's with the keg of brandy around their necks to sustain us. And trust me, we don't want to be left in their paws. Sure they seem all happy and sloppy-cuddly-dependable... but I've seen Cujo... It's not pretty.

No, let's just stay the course, take one game at a time, and keep a shotgun on those sneakin' llama stealin' sherpas.
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I second this. The chest thumping from our more braggardly posters gets old. Not to mention it's tempting fate (and you know what happens when you tempt fate.)
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Wisko McBadgerton said:
Patience boys, we can't climb to the top of the mountain all at once. There's altitude sickness to consider. Or worse our sherpa's might steal our llama's and then we'd be dependant on one of those St. Bernard's with the keg of brandy around their necks to sustain us. And trust me, we don't want to be left in their paws. Sure they seem all happy and sloppy-cuddly-dependable... but I've seen Cujo... It's not pretty.

No, let's just stay the course, take one game at a time, and keep a shotgun on those sneakin' llama stealin' sherpas.
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Just to clarify...I didn't say that Wisconsin is, or should be #1. Just that Miami should NOT be #1.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

You didn't say it but you were thinking it, right?

Hell, we're all thinkin' it. Because that is some righteous thinkin' there, my brother! Just don't go sayin' it. Because then, as RF points out, we won't get to have sex with fate.

An' I don' wanna' be missin' that, ya' dig?
 
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MadCityRich said:
Man, I said the same thing to MrsMCR while driving home Saturday night. I got "hoarse" from cheering, but far short of losing my voice completely like I did back in the day! Nothing <strike> a little</strike> some Korbel, honey, and lemon couldn't handle. Both teams played great hockey, had great shots, made great saves, emotional roller coaster, fun fans. College hockey at it's best. I hope there were some recruits on hand.

"The Hawk" had to be looking down with a big smile.
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I take a small part of responsibility for lack of volume last weekend... I had the flu (probably swine) in early January, am still fighting the secondary sinus infection, and have not yet recovered the upper, screechy range of my voice. As I remarked Friday, I still don't have my "woo!" I'll do my best in Duluth, though I'll also be herding drunks.

Badgers1 said:
Anyone made the trip to Houghton in February before? Was thinking of making the trip, but not sure how likily it will be that the weather cooperates. Booking the hotel rooms soon, but are cancellable and figure tickets will be easy to come by the day of the game. Have made the trip twice before, but both times were at the start of the season.
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Oh, god, Houghton in February... *huddlesincornershivering* We did that in 2006. Most of the way up was cold but clear, and then roughly 50 miles out of Houghton it started snowing AND DID NOT STOP TIL SUNDAY. I would kill myself if I lived there, and I'm not sure I'll ever make that roadtrip again. That said, you *can* make it, and apparently Houghton in February doesn't necessarily make *everyone* suicidal because some make the trip more than once.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

There's been a lot of back & forth here regarding Miami's SOS. When I think about their schedule vs. Wisconsin's it's not close. Not by a long shot. I count quite a few cupcake games in bold, and that's based solely on those teams performances in the only year that matters, 2009/2010.

I don't know where 6th toughest schedule comes from. If it comes from a writer or a computer but either way if that's 6th toughest I'd wager WCHA must have 1-5, and I'd say we've got quite a few teams in the top 20 with sweet tooth schedules. This just doesn't seem like a top 6 toughest schedule to me.

re: Wisconsin. I'm glad they're #2. Cause #1 only matters after the last game of the year, and for UW I hope that last game is the final tilt in April.


Fri10/09/2009 W3 St. Cloud State (nc)2ot
Sat10/10/2009 W2 St. Cloud State (nc)0
Fri10/16/2009 W6@ New Hampshire (nc)3
Sat10/17/2009 T5@ New Hampshire (nc)5ot
Fri10/23/2009 W2 Michigan State1
Sat10/24/2009 L2 Michigan State3ot
Fri10/30/2009 W4@ Northern Michigan3
Sat10/31/2009 W2@ Northern Michigan1
Fri11/06/2009 W3@ Michigan1
Sat11/07/2009 W5@ Michigan1
Fri11/13/2009 T2 Ferris State2ot
Sat11/14/2009 T1 Ferris State1ot
Fri11/20/2009 W3@ Western Michigan0
Sat11/21/2009 T1@ Western Michigan1ot
Fri11/27/2009 L2vs Bemidji State (nc)3
Sat11/28/2009 T5@ North Dakota (nc)5ot
Fri12/04/2009 W1 Notre Dame0
Sat12/05/2009 W4 Notre Dame0
Fri12/11/2009 W6@ Ohio State0
Sat12/12/2009 W4 Ohio State2
Fri01/08/2010 L1@ Robert Morris (nc)3
Sun01/10/2010 L1Robert Morris (nc)2
Fri01/15/2010 W4@ Ferris State0
Sat01/16/2010 W5@ Ferris State4
Fri01/22/2010 T1@ Alaska1ot Box
Sat01/23/2010 W5@ Alaska0 Box
Fri01/29/2010 Western Michigan
Sat01/30/2010 Western Michigan
Fri02/05/2010 Lake Superior
Sat02/06/2010 Lake Superior
Fri02/12/2010 @ Bowling Green
Sat02/13/2010 @ Bowling Green
Fri02/19/2010 Nebraska-Omaha
Sat02/20/2010 Nebraska-Omaha
Fri02/26/2010 Ohio State
Sat02/27/2010 @ Ohio State
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Bullitt said:
While you may have a point there, Wisconsin has a harder schedule than Miami. Strength of schedule should weigh heavy...

Miami is NOT a #1 team, period. We'll see that very soon, (well, not at least until the playoffs) and I'll be the first one to laugh at the polls.

They were SWEPT by Robert Morris...one game of which was on Miami ice! Imagine what's gonna happen when Miami plays a Denver, CC, Wis, etc.!

I guess we'll see who was right or wrong once we get to the tourney... :D
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I think your mis-understanding my point. I'm not saying Miami is better than Wisconsin. In fact I think the opposite. What I am saying, is that Miami has performed better according to the only non arbitrary source, the computer rankings.

When you look at the schedule and wins and losses Miami has, you have a clear bias. When the computer looks at the schedule and wins and losses Miami has, it has no bias.

I don't understand why people think they are smarter than a computer.

FWIW, here is the current NCAA strength of schedule computer rankings.

1. Denver
2. Michigan Tech
3. Wisconsin
4. Colorado College
5. Alaska Anchorage
6. Miami
7. North Dakota
8. Minnesota
9. St. Cloud State
10. Minnesota Duluth
11. New Hampshire
12. Ohio State
13. Minnesota State
14. Vermont
15. Boston University



Also, when comparing what Miami and Wisonsin have done so far this season.

<pre class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset; margin: 0px; padding: 6px; overflow: auto; width: 640px; height: 114px;"><b> Miami Wisconsin</b>
RPI .5850 .5692
TUC 11-2-5 8-5-4
COP 6-1-2 5-2-1</pre>
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about. If you're wondering who the #1 team is to date, it's Miami. It's all well and good to say that they'll falter down the stretch and they really aren't as good as the PWR and KRACH shows, but that's not what either of those ranking systems do. They measure based on the evidence to date. Obviously, that sample size is limited, but it is what it is.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

blockski said:
I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about. If you're wondering who the #1 team is to date, it's Miami. It's all well and good to say that they'll falter down the stretch and they really aren't as good as the PWR and KRACH shows, but that's not what either of those ranking systems do. They measure based on the evidence to date. Obviously, that sample size is limited, but it is what it is.
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Hey! Come on down and collect your prize. This is what I've been trying to mumble out all day.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

I believe the PWR and KRACH attempt to measure which team has had the best total season. Not necessarily who is playing the best, or is the best at a given moment. ( I think...)
I was just thinking about it and wondering if it would make sense to progressively weight the games value in the equation as the season goes on. Beating UW for example week one, is not the same as beating them in week 10. Although I suppose that the beating team would be better in week 10 as well... but still it seems to make sense to me?
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Chuck Schwartz said:
I think your mis-understanding my point. I'm not saying Miami is better than Wisconsin. In fact I think the opposite. What I am saying, is that Miami has performed better according to the only non arbitrary source, the computer rankings.

When you look at the schedule and wins and losses Miami has, you have a clear bias. When the computer looks at the schedule and wins and losses Miami has, it has no bias.

I don't understand why people think they are smarter than a computer.

FWIW, here is the current NCAA strength of schedule computer rankings.

1. Denver
2. Michigan Tech
3. Wisconsin
4. Colorado College
5. Alaska Anchorage
6. Miami
7. North Dakota
8. Minnesota
9. St. Cloud State
10. Minnesota Duluth
11. New Hampshire
12. Ohio State
13. Minnesota State
14. Vermont
15. Boston University



Also, when comparing what Miami and Wisonsin have done so far this season.

<pre class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset; margin: 0px; padding: 6px; overflow: auto; width: 640px; height: 114px;"><b> Miami Wisconsin</b>
RPI .5850 .5692
TUC 11-2-5 8-5-4
COP 6-1-2 5-2-1</pre>
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wow. so ALL WCHA teams in the top 13 toughest schedule (no surprise since it is the strongest conference top to bottom). That really doesn't make sense then as to who the writers voted for for #1 this week, esp with recent results.

As for the computer models.... If Minnesota is still a TUC and Western Michigan is still a TUC then I see why it favors Miami. That would be a flaw in my estimation. The COP is probably right on, but when Wisconsin's TUC's are generally tougher (WHCA) than Miami's (CCHA and robert morris) I guess that barometer doesn't fly with me unless it goes all the way out to compare the TUC's strength of schedules, which still wouldn't make sense given the entire WCHA is in the top 13.

that said, my main point is Miami isn't as good as the top 4-5 WCHA.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

blockski said:
I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about. If you're wondering who the #1 team is to date, it's Miami. It's all well and good to say that they'll falter down the stretch and they really aren't as good as the PWR and KRACH shows, but that's not what either of those ranking systems do. They measure based on the evidence to date. Obviously, that sample size is limited, but it is what it is.
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Almington's 15 rules of NCAA hockey:

Rule #0: If you win the games you play, everything else will take care of itself.

Rule #1: The polls don't matter.

Rule #2: The actual PWR/RPI only matters once a year.

Rule #3: What really matters game to game is what GOES into the PWR/RPI.

Rule #4: The PWR/RPI criteria is a mess of flawed logic.

Rule #5: SOS has no impact on the PWR/RPI.

Rule #6: The polls (still) don't matter.

Rule #7: KRACH doesn't matter.

Rule #8: Stop responding to the idiots and/or tolls.

Rule #9: You don't get to hang a banner for being the best team on January 31st.

Rule #10: Banners don't skate.

Rule #11: In case you forgot, The polls DO NOT MATTER! Not now, not tomorrow, not EVER!

Rule #12: The PWR/RPI is simple math.

Rule #13: See rule #0

Rule #14: The PWR/RPI may suck, but it's better than the Smoke filled room model

Rule #15: Seeding isn't what matters, making the NCAA tounament and giving yourself a chance to make a run.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Almington said:
Almington's 15 rules of NCAA hockey:

Rule #0: If you win the games you play, everything else will take care of itself.

Rule #1: The polls don't matter.

Rule #2: The actual PWR/RPI only matters once a year.

Rule #3: What really matters game to game is what GOES into the PWR/RPI.

Rule #4: The PWR/RPI criteria is a mess of flawed logic.

Rule #5: SOS has no impact on the PWR/RPI.

Rule #6: The polls (still) don't matter.

Rule #7: KRACH doesn't matter.

Rule #8: Stop responding to the idiots and/or tolls.

Rule #9: You don't get to hang a banner for being the best team on January 31st.

Rule #10: Banners don't skate.

Rule #11: In case you forgot, The polls DO NOT MATTER! Not now, not tomorrow, not EVER!

Rule #12: The PWR/RPI is simple math.

Rule #13: See rule #0

Rule #14: The PWR/RPI may suck, but it's better than the Smoke filled room model

Rule #15: Seeding isn't what matters, making the NCAA tounament and giving yourself a chance to make a run.
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None of those rules makes us #1 and are therefore bogus.

I WANT TO BE #1! (stamps feet)
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

I couldn't care less about who's ranked number one until after the Frozen Four.

I'm not even sure that it would be a benefit for this team to be ranked #1. Until last weekend, they've had a hard time putting together back to back good efforts. These kids need to stay hungry.

Just keep winning and all will take care of itself.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Enough of the meaningless rankings (gotta admitt I'd like to see the Badgers #1 as well) another big series this weekend at UMD.

As we head deeper into the season the lineup is getting closer to being set.

Street - Geoffrion - Smith
Murray - Stepan - Davies
Mitchell - Bendy - Grotting
Bombach- Thurber/ -Johnson
Dolan


It appears that Lee and Podge won't be seeing much ice for the remainder of the year, as neither really fits the 3rd or 4th line grinder roll.

The only question is who will center the 4th line. I saw both games this last weekend and although I thought both Thurber and Dolan played well, I would have to say Thurber outplayed Dolan by a good margin. Dolan is bigger, but I think Thurber is a more physical player and a better defensive zone asset. All that being said, What I would really like to see is Dolan moving out on the wing with Bomber and Thurber.

Just my .02 cents.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

oldtyme25 said:
Enough of the meaningless rankings (gotta admitt I'd like to see the Badgers #1 as well) another big series this weekend at UMD.

As we head deeper into the season the lineup is getting closer to being set.

Street - Geoffrion - Smith
Murray - Stepan - Davies
Mitchell - Bendy - Grotting
Bombach- Thurber/ -Johnson
Dolan


It appears that Lee and Podge won't be seeing much ice for the remainder of the year, as neither really fits the 3rd or 4th line grinder roll.

The only question is who will center the 4th line. I saw both games this last weekend and although I thought both Thurber and Dolan played well, I would have to say Thurber outplayed Dolan by a good margin. Dolan is bigger, but I think Thurber is a more physical player and a better defensive zone asset. All that being said, What I would really like to see is Dolan moving out on the wing with Bomber and Thurber.

Just my .02 cents.
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Totally agree on Dolan, Ratty Johnson is not one of the 12 best forwards on the team. I like him, but the "magic" he had freshman year, whether it was playing on a line w/ KT and Geoffrion, or the "I'm going to own those MFers" attitude, is lost.

I want the best team out there that can win games, and actually I'd like to see Dolan move to center between Mitchell and Grotting, bring back the grind line, and then put Bendi on wing w/ Thurber and Bohmber to make a great grind/3rd scoring line.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Part 2 - No Silly Eaves-isms, Just Win The Title!

Here's an idea... The polls don't matter... Who cares where we're ranked? The only thing we need to worry about is winning. RPI/PWR can and will change a ton between now and late March. If we're #1 going in, and we lose in the first round, what does that prove? Nothing. Do I think Wisconsin can beat any other team in the country right now? Yes, I do. Do I think that they're a candidate for #1, sure. So did 8 of the voters for the USCHO poll, but who cares? A flawed computer program says we're not #1, get over it. If we deserve to get there, we will. Explain this: we're 4th in the WCHA, why should we be #1 in the country?
 
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